Blackwater : Right-Wing Conservative America, Whether You Like It Or Not...

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No, Blackwater was named after the black water in the pond where they first set up, caused by high peat content in the water. Nothing mysterious or underhanded there.

And I despise Blackwater, so don't think I'm making up excuses. I just know there's enough dirt on them without having to resort to guesswork

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zysin5, I have to say I was blown away by that complement that you placed on MY profile. I just wanted to share it with everyone else here on ATS.

Comment from: zysin5 on: 7-5-2008 @ 06:37
I took some time this morning to go over many of your posts and threads! You are a gifted writter! I very much enjoy what you have brought to the table! If I may, allow me to share this video with you.. I think you will find it very enlightening

The video zysin5 included on My profile :



I went through one of your threads and found this Google video, it's more of just an audio with words, by JFK speaking out about Secret Societies :

Google Video Link

NPO & Continuity of Government on CNN Part 1 :



NPO & Continuity of Government on CNN Part 2 :



NPO & Continuity of Government on CNN Part 3 :



Scahill on Blackwater :



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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Starred and Flagged Friend..

People BETTER be paying attention to this company, because when the sh** hits the fan, they will likely be at the head of the class in cracking down on domestic dissent, and they don't have to play by the rules of law, just like our ruthless gov does not. Only these guys are mercs and killers.

I saw where they were recently denied a training camp in so-cal---Thank heavens for that.

These guys are bad news, big time.

Thanks for the compliment there and I've been a little too busy elsewhere to go back specifically to post on this post. I appreciate the compliment and also the assistance on this topic of interest.

Blackwater in Iraq Part 1 :



Blackwater in Iraq Part 2 :



Blackwater Training Facility :



Some of this stuff looks awesome to do. It's too bad it's all in the name of taking away freedoms in the name of the almighty dollar.

Originally posted by Unit541



Haven't seen much factual evidence to substantiate your claims either... Testimony by those present is certainly more substantial than your blind support of a mercenary organization.

Odd, you rely on the testimony of those you claim were there, yet completely discount the tesitmony of others who were also there.

Could any amount of fact, evidence or logic convince you that the sky is yellow? No, because it's not. If you want to cut the crap, one of the first steps in doing so is to recognize that the “conflict” in Iraq is a war. And yes, I am against the war. I’m against the war for the same reasons the vast majority of the people in this country are against it. Don’t act like I’m some kind of lone dissident in a nation full of slakerwire clones. The fact is my friend, that YOU are the minority in your support for an illegal war that has not only destroyed Iraq, but has divided our own country, as you and I are clearly illustrating here.

Like this country wasnt divided long before Iraq happened.

Illegal? Not quite. If you actually believe so, specifically which laws does it violate?

lmao... Uh, no. And I'm the one accused of not knowing what I'm talking about... I even provided a clear definition of "mercenary" for you... Members of the armed services are "parties to the conflict", as extensions of the governments involved. This concept, while apparently difficult to grasp, means they're NOT mercenaries. Hell, Blackwater even describes itself as a "private military company". By their own words, Blackwater is a military for hire. If it walks like a duck... You act like I'm the only one who considers them mercenaries... Google the word "Blackwater", and count how many times the word "Mercenary" occurs on each page... Again, if it walks like a duck.

I'd also venture to guess I am one of the few, if not the only, who has ever actually worked for them and knowns exactly what they do, as opposed to going by piles of leftist BS. You on the other hand, cannot say the same.

So yeah, you're right. To the average citizen, it's obvious that this Blackwater operator is not carrying an assault weapon...

Other than the first pic, where is proof those are BWUSA contractors? Never seen one of their contractors wearing a helmet as shown in the 3rd pic. Other than the names of your little pics there, there is absolutely zero evidence to prove exactly who they work for. FYI, simply because they "look scary", that doesnt mean those are actually select fire rifles. You fail.

I think you're the only one who doesn't believe the population of this country is against the war in Iraq. Let me guess, you think Saddam masterminded 9/11 and had nuclear armed ICBMs pointed at New Jersey too.

Yet again you make a ridiculous assumption. I am in fact against this war simply because we were lied to by the USG. Obviously Saddam didnt have nukes. If they wanted oil, all they needed to say was "Look, the U.S. needs oil to survive, so we are going to Iraq to take it".

That would have sufficed.

see pictures above... lol. Do you really think, that anyone cares if those weapon has a select fire switch or not?

Those who believe in being factually truthful yes. I guess youre not in that group.

My apologies for blowing my bubble up again, but I was there... kid.

As was I. You're still wrong. BWUSA had zero part in firearm seizures. Try actually researching it.

Who the hell are you to question my patriotism? A military career didn't fulfill my financial ambitions, so I didn't re-enlist. I would have been happy to continue this exercise in futility for a few more exchanges, but as your demeanor has devolved to the point of personal insults and accusations, I'm going to step aside and introduce you to my ignore list.

No surprise. Those who have a twisted sense of reality tend to ignore contradictory fact.

I went digging for more video on Blakcwater on YouTube, and I found a whole lot.

Documentary on Youtube about Blackwater :



Blackwater using sniper rifle's on rooftops in Iraq :



This Youtube video is similar to but it has different footage :



Jeremy Scahill on CNN talking about his book :



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Found about video where Jeremy Scahill testified about Defense Contracting. There's a whole mess load more videos on YouTube but I've been looking for the quality ones to add on here.

Those were some great videos SpartanKingLeonidas...Thanks for all your hard work and digging on this thread. Hopefully it will open a lot of peoples eyes as to what is going on.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Those were some great videos SpartanKingLeonidas...Thanks for all your hard work and digging on this thread. Hopefully it will open a lot of peoples eyes as to what is going on.

Thanks for the kudos there DD. I only hope any of this helps people understand at all exactly how dangerous these individuals in fact are, and just how close the United States of America is to being over-run by these guys who will shoot to kill, if the need should arise. They are not under the Uniform Code of Military Justice at present.

They have their own policies, procedures, and protocols, as well as answer to the Bush Administration, as a "private entity" in order to bypass the entire system of checks and balances we all hold so dear in order to protect Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Religion, and the list goes on. Whatever happened to the three groups that were held within the checks and balances, being Executive, Legislative, and Judicial systems under the Seperation of Powers?

I'm guessing they all went out the window thanks to events like the assassination of JFK, MLK, RFK, and a long list of others who wanted the people of the United States of America to live in a democracy where the military indistrial complex did not run the whole show in conjunction with the oil barrons and entire "big money" apparatus.

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This YouTube video shows some of the sniping over in Iraq by Blackwater. It also happens to be mentioned almost word for word in the Blackwater book that I've been making references to :



I wonder if Jeremy Scahill used the video as a reference or interviewed Blackwater mercenaries,...um excuse Me, "employees" specifically.

Originally posted by slackerwire
Odd, you rely on the testimony of those you claim were there, yet completely discount the tesitmony of others who were also there.

Care to point out this “testimony of others who were also there”? I’ve been providing a home to soldiers between tours since 2003, without pause. I’ve got a pretty good grasp of how things are going on the ground in Iraq, according to those who are actually on the ground in Iraq. When you spew things like “the situation is improving”, you simply look like a fool to those who actually know.

Originally posted by slackerwire
Like this country wasnt divided long before Iraq happened.

Uh, where have you been. Before we invaded Iraq, this country was more united than it has been since WWII. I won’t get into 9/11, but nobody can deny that it was an event that united this country like nothing else could. The war divided the country with equal fervor. We’re uniting once again however, as more and more people like you wake up and actually see what’s right in front of them.

Originally posted by slackerwire
llegal? Not quite. If you actually believe so, specifically which laws does it violate?

Section 3, paragraph b of the Congressional authorization for force which Bush used to launch the invasion:

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

So, he was required to prove to congress that Iraq was in violation of UN resolutions by being in possession of weapons of mass destruction at the time, and that Iraq was behind 9/11. Both claims have been proven false time and time again.

Care to point out the legitimate justification for this war? I warn you it’ll be tough, seeing as there isn’t any.

Originally posted by slackerwire
I'd also venture to guess I am one of the few, if not the only, who has ever actually worked for them and knowns exactly what they do, as opposed to going by piles of leftist BS. You on the other hand, cannot say the same.

lol, that clarifies a truck load… Did it not strike the great and powerful slackerwire that this statement here completely invalidates every argument you’ve made in this thread in defense of Blackwater? Now we all know who issued your blinders.

Originally posted by slackerwireOther than the first pic, where is proof those are BWUSA contractors? Never seen one of their contractors wearing a helmet as shown in the 3rd pic. Other than the names of your little pics there, there is absolutely zero evidence to prove exactly who they work for. FYI, simply because they "look scary", that doesnt mean those are actually select fire rifles. You fail.

Want to prove they’re not? Good luck. Good thing the ‘point’ wasn’t attacking you, because you missed it completely. Whether or not they’re select fire rifles is a moot point. The point is that nobody at the dangerous end cares if the trigger has to be pulled more than once. Can you tell the difference at 100 yards? At 50? At 10 feet? What has you’re wheels stuck in this rut anyway? To non gun-enthusiasts, these weapons are all categorized in the “weapons I’ve seen the military and swat teams use in movies” category. Do you get equally upset when someone calls a vehicle equipped with a “manual transmission” a stick? Do you flip out when someone refers to their “corrective lenses” as their “glasses”? Do you lose it when you hear a little girl refer to a quarter horse as a pony?

Originally posted by slackerwire
Yet again you make a ridiculous assumption. I am in fact against this war simply because we were lied to by the USG. Obviously Saddam didnt have nukes. If they wanted oil, all they needed to say was "Look, the U.S. needs oil to survive, so we are going to Iraq to take it".

That would have sufficed.

lol, so to you, the only thing that either justifies a war or not, is how it’s explained? Whether it’s actually justified or not makes no difference? I suppose you’re on board with invading Brazil too, y’know, them having this huge supply of clean oxygen and all… I hope you don’t have children, because apparently, you’d be teaching them it’s ok to steal, as long as it’s something you “need”. If we spent half of what we have on the war on developing renewable energy, we wouldn’t need the oil anyway. This is one of your weakest arguments yet (besides the one where you stated you worked for Blackwater…).

Originally posted by slackerwire
Those who believe in being factually truthful yes. I guess youre not in that group.

So, lets play make believe for just a second. Take the guys in the pictures, and imagine you see them coming after you. Are you going to concern yourself with whether or not their weapons have selectable fire? I know, it’s a loaded question, but any answer other than “No” is a lie.

Originally posted by slackerwire
As was I. You're still wrong. BWUSA had zero part in firearm seizures. Try actually researching it.

As I said, I don’t need to research. I was there, witness to the events. I won’t lose any sleep over the fact that you don’t agree.

Originally posted by slackerwire
No surprise. Those who have a twisted sense of reality tend to ignore contradictory fact.

Provide a fact, maybe it won't be ignored.

I'm wondering here if all the stories I've read about "multiple armed gunmen" throughout the world is somehow linked to Blackwater or any of the other Mercenary organizations. I do not have any website links for it as it has been too long ago. I just know there were countless stories I read where they took people at gun-point and no one ever heard from them again.

I know there was a store in the UK where the entire department store was rounded up and hauled off. I had been seeing those stories and noticed that no one seemed to know who the "multiple armed gunmen" were associated with let alone exactly how many there were. If anyone has any links to stories like that I'd be interested if they could post them to this thread, please.

I'd also like to thank everyone, positive or negative about their contribution and addition to this thread since it is the best to date that I have accomplished with recognition and in depth information. There are all kinds of other controversial topics I've posted on but it seems I found the topic greatly suited to Me in talking about Blackwater. I've done others on the CIA Rendition program, New World Order and the existence and then the non-existence of that fabled organization, along with the problem not being Muslims but the programmed automatic hatred of foreigners.

G.I.Jane vs Rendition...Hollywood vs Reality...Training vs Torture...WATERBOARDING

A "Cingular" mind...kind of like a "Singular" mind of the New World Order

The Shell Game of The New World Order

The Straw Adversary...a "terrorist" in our midst

Muslim's Are Not The Problem, You Are!!!

Those are some of the relevant threads I just mentioned and it's mostly before the YouTube video option was either available or before I knew how to add them. Feel free to drop by and comment.

Here are some more ATS poster's interesting Blackwater threads that I felt you might like to take a look. I put the ATS member's name before the thread so you can get to know them more. I never knew there was any other Blackwater threads so I went finding all of the stuff I did on My own and with all of your contributions as well.

GrOuNd_ZeRo :

Blackwater.

AllSeeingI

Blackwater Bulks Up Air Power Using Little-Known Company

Qwas

Blackwater Security Firm now in NOLA

deltaboy

Blackwater rescuing and evacuating the Polish ambassador.

I have as yet not had the time to thoroughly dig through them to see if we all ended up using any similar materials. I will tell you this that if that is so then it is by mere coincidence.



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Nice, that is what I'm talking about, internal net working. A decent and polite way of keeping tabs within the community.

Must give you credit for maintaining data base.

Blackwater Spokesman Goes Nuts on Al Jazeera on Fox News :



What do you think? Does "Al Jazeera" have the right or not to report over here?

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To be fair, it was the local Blackwater supporter, not their representative, who bugged out on the Al Jazeera news team. Blackwater is more publicity-wise than that, and wouldn't do anything to court controversy.

They prefer to keep a fairly low profile - whatever their real agenda is.

As SpartanKingLeonidas has pointed out here, they have very worrying links to far right and Dominionist groups, and should the Dominionists try a takeover, I expect Blackwater to be supplying a lot of the troops.

Good thread - this is a company that needs to be watched carefully.

Originally posted by Unit541

Care to point out this “testimony of others who were also there”?

WTF do you think I have been doing?

When you spew things like “the situation is improving”, you simply look like a fool to those who actually know.

Odd, I've never stated that.

Uh, where have you been. Before we invaded Iraq, this country was more united than it has been since WWII. I won’t get into 9/11, but nobody can deny that it was an event that united this country like nothing else could. The war divided the country with equal fervor. We’re uniting once again however, as more and more people like you wake up and actually see what’s right in front of them.

Uh, I was here, in the U.S. before we invaded Iraq.

Maybe you just dont pay attention. Think the nation was united under Clinton? When SCOTUS declared Bush the President in 2000, was the nation united then?

Section 3, paragraph b of the Congressional authorization for force which Bush used to launch the invasion:
Both claims have been proven false time and time again.

And thats why Congress keeps voting to fund the war effort right?

lol, that clarifies a truck load… Did it not strike the great and powerful slackerwire that this statement here completely invalidates every argument you’ve made in this thread in defense of Blackwater? Now we all know who issued your blinders.

I no longer do any work for them, as I have moved on in life. Make no mistake, if they were to actively engage in violating the rights of Americans, I would be the first one in the street putting bullets in their heads. That hasnt happened. People like you are opposed to them on an emotional level, nothing more.

Want to prove they’re not?

Uh, youre the one contending that they are BWUSA contractors, the burden of proof is on you.

The point is that nobody at the dangerous end cares if the trigger has to be pulled more than once.

Why not just simply admit you were wrong and attempted to demonize something in order to make them seem "scarier"?

lol, so to you, the only thing that either justifies a war or not, is how it’s explained? Whether it’s actually justified or not makes no difference? I suppose you’re on board with invading Brazil too, y’know, them having this huge supply of clean oxygen and all… I hope you don’t have children, because apparently, you’d be teaching them it’s ok to steal, as long as it’s something you “need”.

It is fact that right now this nation needs oil in order to survive. There is no greater justification for war than survival.

If we spent half of what we have on the war on developing renewable energy, we wouldn’t need the oil anyway.

On this we actually agree.

This is one of your weakest arguments yet (besides the one where you stated you worked for Blackwater…).

Did work, as in the PAST tense.

Are you going to concern yourself with whether or not their weapons have selectable fire? I know, it’s a loaded question, but any answer other than “No” is a lie.

Nope, my only concern is going to be stopping them before they have a chance to fire that rifle.

As I said, I don’t need to research. I was there, witness to the events. I won’t lose any sleep over the fact that you don’t agree.

As was I, and given your previous instances of spewing falsehoods, your credibility is zero. Take the referenced pics for instance. You have no proof whatsoever to determine what company those people worked for.

Surely if BWUSA had taken part in firearm seizures, there would be countless news articles on that atrocity. Why not post some of them?

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This says so much about you slackerwire. I'm sure in another life we'd have agreed on so many topics. Obviously not on the topic of Blackwater though. I am not attacking you here but you're seeming to be attacking anyone here who posts anything with relevant information. I notice you've only gone after Unit541 and not Me directly.

I've found countless videos on Blackwater and I can back up My sources with books I read as well off site with links to the books in case anyone wants to actually review the original source data.

slackerwire : signature
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.

Do you honestly believe that way? I'm asking honestly. To kill someone is to make them die, never breath again, stop being there for family, etc. I can understand if someone was to pull a gun on Me, I'd oblige to do the same and end their life, but not until they have done it first.

That's called self-defense.

I'm still waiting for you to post a "Pro-War Rally" or something to back up that any citizen who actually wants war. Most people in this country and others do not want war, yet they fall into the trap of "serving your country" and "patriotism."

Blind patriotism without thought of the ramifications of an action are ignorant and those who choose to follow blindly might as well be lemmings running off a cliff after a carrot being dangled in front of them to lead them to their demise.

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Just out of curiosity, would one of those books you claim to base your opinions on be Scahill's book?

I certainly dont defend everything BWUSA does, as it, like every other organization on the planet, has its bad apples.

I defend them against claims which I know for a fact are untrue, and mostly because they get a very bad rap in both the media and public opinion, when in fact the overwhelming majority of both of those groups have no idea what BW actually does.


Odd that all of you who are critical of BW never bother to mention that a small handful of contractors fought right next to U.S. Marines and held off hundreds off insurgents while defending the CPA HQ.

Why is that? A dozen or so professionals held off hundreds of attackers, and even airlifted a an injured Marine out of harms way while defending a building. No mention of that.....why?

I never hear anyone speaking out against those "evil mercenaries" while they are defending the president of Afghanistan, or dozens, if not hundreds of other U.S. government officials. Why?

I am neither patriotic, nor pro war. I'm only 30 years old, and I have watched this country turn into a pathetic landfill since the days of my youth. I simply couldnt care less whether we are at war or not, and I am probably one of the least patriotic people alive today. I speak out against the U.S. government at every opportunity, and even run a few websites detailing their abuses.

I did my work for BW for 2 simple reasons: It sounded like a challenge, and it paid very well. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Wow, so you've read the book as well. See, now this shows you have intelligence and I apologize for thinking otherwise.

Yes, one of My sourcebooks is in fact Blackwate r: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army as I have stated over,
and over, and over throughout this thread, with

Secrets Of Street Survival - Israeli Style: Staying Alive In A Civilian War Zone ,

and Remote Viewing Secrets: A Handbook, and

Ghost Plane: The True Story of the CIA Rendition and Torture Program, and

The Complete Idiot's Guide(R) to Private Investigating , and

PI School: How To Become A Private Detective , and

Secrets Of Surveillance: A Professionals Guide To Tailing Subjects By Vehicle, Foot, Airplane, And Public Transportation, and

Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View , and

The Tao Of Spycraft: Intelligence Theory And Practice In Traditional China, and

Confronting "the Enemy Within": Security Intelligence, the Police, and Counterterrorism in Four Democracies, and

The Pentagon's New Map: War and Peace in the Twenty-First Century , and

Leadership, Ethics and Policing: Challenges for the 21st Century, and

Organizational Behavior and Management in Law Enforcement (2nd Edition), and

Silence on the Wire: A Field Guide to Passive Reconnaissance and Indirect Attacks , and

Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001, and

Blank Check: The Pentagon's Black Budget , and

Team Secrets Of The Navy Seals , and

The Art of War - Sun Tzu's Classic in Plain English With Sun Pin's : The Art of Warfare , and
The Peloponnesian War , and

The Spartans (Hardcover), and

The Praetorian Guard : The US Role In The New World Order, and

Rogue Warrior , and

Green Team: Rogue Warrior , and

Echo Platoon (Rogue Warrior), and

Red Cell Rogue Warrior, and

Vengeance, and

Task Force Blue (Rogue Warrior) , and

Hell Week: SEALs in Training .

Now, before you go answering to this post, please take into account that I've read all of these books together with the better part of My entire life to study the Navy SEAL's because I grew up with a step-father who was a Marine during Vietnam who was recruited by Law Enforcement and the Navy SEAL's within the same week of leaving Vietnam, and he turned them down flat. He saw enough death and destruction to last a lifetime.

The man taught Me to be intelligent, use My brain to out think, out do, along with "Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome" any obstacle in My way, or put in My way. These few books, and I did say few here, are only the ones I felt were directly or indirectly involving this topic in one way or another. The "Rogue Warrior" books along with SEAL books are very much the exact way these men think and outlines the process that they go through for training to get to the ability to survive almost anything.

To Me, the Navy SEAL's is about honor of duty, honor of service, and honor of teamwork, not about getting paid big money, to deal death. No, I am not being naive here in the least, I know the SEAL's deal in death on a daily basis, but what organizations like Blackwater do cheapens that for those who died before them. Because the Navy SEAL's was about "never leave a man behind" not about "gimme my damn paycheck." Blackwater's policy, outlined in the Blackwater book by Jeremy Scahill is to leave that man behind and get out of the line of fire as evidenced by those four individual contractors who were left to dangle in Fallujah.

By the way, this list of books is the short list of a lot of other books I've read about the military and government. The United States government and military used to stand for something once about the protection against "all enemies foreign and domestic" but with this enaction of groups like Blackwater, DynCorp, Triple Canopy, and all the others, it is all about bypassing the United States Constitution in order to slowly and sometimes quickly erode our civil liberties in name of Democracy.

I am well versed in war ethics, war history, war propaganda, and every facet of war you can possibly imagine and I'm sure some you can not imagine as well. Why? Simply put, I was trained and taught by a warrior to think like a warrior, but to have a heart and mind unequal to no one. Yes, war is about killing the other man before he kills you. It is also to some degree about understanding the other sides thought processes as well to be able to better know how to defeat them. The problem here is that I was taught to know the difference between right and wrong.

The Iraqi's never asked for our assistance, no WMD's were found in Iraq hidden by Saddam Hussein, and the entire reason the U.S. is in Iraq is to secure the oil piplines for the Bush Administration, who happens to by the way own a vast majority of oil in Texas, that's well documented that the Bush family is an oil family, not something I'm making up. I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican, because to Me both are two-sides of evil to gain financial profits from taking our taxes and mis-spending them willy-nilly and then also gaining power and financial gain through war-mongering and war-profiteering, to send the regular soldiers off to a foreign land to die so they can gain, gain, gain, meanwhile we lose, lose, lose. We've got school shootings happening, sniper attacks (there were three specific incidents), and controversial new "Terror Laws" happening all the time now on American soil because the populace of the United States of America has slowly but surely lost it's confidence in the leader of our country. That's not Me talking, that's actions.

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