Life on mars this is it! no doubt!

Okay, I searched for a VERY long time, and could not find the images the OP found. I’m hoping that if the OP is still monitoring the thread they will be able to provide the source data.

I did find another image, that I believe serves our purposes in this thread…

Comparable Image:


This image shows similar features on the surface of Mars, which also appear to the eye to be 3-dimensional objects at the peak of sand dunes. Lacking the original image from the OP’s post, I’m hoping that this image will suffice for analysis, since the same anomalies appear.

The Image (and it’s companion data) is also located here, direct from Malin Space Science Systems (the guys who built and operate Mars Global Surveyor):
www.msss.com...

Here is a link to the best version of the image from MSSS:
www.msss.com...

The above two images are processed images, and proper citation should be given to MSSS:

NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems
M. C. Malin, K. S. Edgett, S. D. Davis, M. A. Caplinger, E. Jensen, K. D. Supulver, J. Sandoval, L. Posiolova, and R. Zimdar, [E1701475], Malin Space Science Systems Mars Orbiter Camera Image Gallery (www.msss.com...), [04/09/2008].


Data from NASA on this image:
mgsc_1232 - Extended Subphase 17, Jun 17 - Jul 1, 2002, e17011 - e17019, Orbits 14639 - 14804
This data was acquired from:
pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov...

Here is the directory of the images from this data set:
pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov...

You want the folder titled: e17014

The image is called: e1701475.imq

The data pertaining to the image is here:
pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov...

These are the listed specs for the image:
[PDS_VERSION_ID = PDS3
FILE_NAME = “E1701475.IMQ”
RECORD_TYPE = FIXED_LENGTH
RECORD_BYTES = 2048
FILE_RECORDS = 1357
LABEL_RECORDS = 1
IMAGE = 2
SPACECRAFT_NAME = MARS_GLOBAL_SURVEYOR
MISSION_PHASE_NAME = “EXTENDED”
TARGET_NAME = MARS
INSTRUMENT_ID = “MOC-NA”
PRODUCER_ID = MGS_MOC_TEAM
DATA_SET_ID = “MGS-M-MOC-NA/WA-2-SDP-LO-V1.0”
PRODUCT_CREATION_TIME = 2003-03-01T21:55:48
SOFTWARE_NAME = ‘makepds 1.10”
UPLOAD_ID = “UNK”
PRODUCT_ID = “E17/01475”
START_TIME = 2002-06-23T22:26:30.29
IMAGE_TIME = 2002-06-23T22:26:30.29
STOP_TIME = 2002-06-23T22:26:38.43
SPACECRAFT_CLOCK_START_COUNT = “709338427:10”
SPACECRAFT_CLOCK_STOP_COUNT = “N/A”
FOCAL_PLACE_TEMPERATURE = 255.4
GAIN_MODE_ID = “6A”
OFFSET_MODE_ID = “18”
LINE_EXPOSURE_DURATION = 0.723100
DOWNTRACK_SUMMING = 2
CROSSTRACK_SUMMING = 2
EDIT_MODE_ID = “0”
RATIONALE_DESC = “North polar scarp and dunes at 84.1 N 127.5 W”
DATA_QUALITY_DESC = “ERRORS”
ORBIT_NUMBER = 14717
OBJECT = IMAGE
ENCODING_TYPE = “MOC-PRED-X-5”
LINES = 5632
LINE_SAMPLES = 1024
LINE_PREFIX_BYTES = 0
LINE_SUFFIX_BYTES = 0
SAMPLE_TYPE = UNSIGNED_INTEGER
SAMPLE_BITS = 8
SAMPLE_BIT_MASK = 2#11111111#
CHECKSUM = 16#FFB86DC5#
END_OBJECT = IMAGE
END]
[Content from above listed source]

And here is a link to the ‘read-me’ file, that explains what is posted above:
pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov...

I won’t have time (or the equipment here at work) to do any zooming or analysis of this image until I get home tonight. Anyone who wants a head start can use the above info, I look forward to your analysis.

I’ll do my best with this image this evening, and will post again once I’ve finished my examination.


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I also found the following, for comparison purposes:

Comparison Image of trees on Earth:


Article on Wind Abrasion (on rocks):
www.agu.org...

Both Items Found at:
www.bautforum.com...


I'll be back this evening with some analysis...

-WFA

Good thing i saved it WFA

hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu...

hope other folks take a look in the parent dirs as well as i advised earlier good pics and hi res.
Joe

reply to post by Localjoe3


Thanks, but how did you know that it was this image?

Did johndoeknows edit out any link?

reply to post by WitnessFromAfar


Thanks... I tend to agree wth you in nothing other than my laymans way, I don't think I'm right, this is just the impression I'm getting. With your analysis of the image (angles beyond me at this late hour), I'm reminded of when you spill a liquid and it forms rivulets.

I'll read most things on ATS, this one captured my imagination, it could be anything, but the images are somewhat evocative. I'm thinking liquid.

As for them being some kind of volcano/geyser "event", perhaps - that'd seem to be most likely to me (but, hey!!!). However, if the "dunes" are "sand" (etc), why would these "eruptions" have to come out at the apex of a dune? Surely they would just be able to force their way through wherever was most convenient? If they were/are plantlife? Why would they be growing at the top of dunes and not in a more sheltered area - in a trough between dunes? Especially if conditions on Mars are so harsh?

ALTHOUGH (apologies for emphasis), this is an entirely different planet to ours, that we have very little real and no (?) firsthand knowledge of.

One thing I would rule out would be any kind of man-made (sic) anomaly. Whatever we DO have here, it goes to show Mars is more than the barren wasteland we've been lead to believe. It seems to be a fully functioning biosphere (?)*, just operating under very different conditions than our own.

I'd dearly love to see some closer pictures of this anomaly from as many different angles as possible.

* That ? is to indicate the use of the word biosphere in a loose interpretation, in the sense that Mars has an environment that is governed by interellating conditions - "Weather", geology etc...

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by Localjoe3

 

Thanks, but how did you know that it was this image?

Did johndoeknows edit out any link?

He must have i pulled it. i took that link from my history from when i was cropping images from it the other day. It had to have been in the first page cause my post was on the second and it was from his original image source i remember being excited cause it was a university or college in az. meaning good reliable source. Hope this helps
Joe


[edit on 9-4-2008 by Localjoe3]

Looks to me like 3d objects. Exactly what i do not know. I do think they must be rather large as compared with the dune height as it appears that the dunes may have actually formed around them. Could this be a lost city of mars? Would be similar to the idea that Atlantis is buried in the sahara. Maybe in a few years we will start seeing the same thing in our deserts.

reply to post by Localjoe3


Excellent! Do you have a link to the MSSS raw file?
The link you gave is to the parent directory, which image is it specifically?
(I'll look myself when I get the chance )

Consider the other image I found and posted details for as simply supporting documentation of this anomaly, I'll return to analyzing the OP's image, as the source has now surfaced...

You rock LocalJoe3! I'm glad you saved the link!

-WFA

If you don't allready know/feel that there was and is intelligent life on mars just wait a little longer and it become obvious.

reply to post by WitnessFromAfar


You can go to this page and choose the image you want.

THe easiest way is download IAS viewer and using the "JP2 QUICKLOOK (IAS Viewer)" images.

Here is some dune grass.



This shows you how dunes grow.

www.cheviot-trees.co.uk...

I think the general consensus is that there is an unusual protuberance from the "sand dunes" of mars as photographed earlier in this thread.
This looks like vegetative growth to me. It is concentrated where it has the most insullation from the frigid Maritan air yet close enough to the surfaces for solar radiation and whatever is in the sun is getting solar energy. This looks as closest to proff as I have seen but I am only going by pictures and have no knowledge of on site chemistry or conditions.

@WFA

Thanks bro.. Im using ifran view with the plugin pack installed also im running an amd opteron 2.2 socket 939 with a gig of ddr1 ram timed at 222 5 and dual wd raptors in raid 0 for an os drive and lemme tell ya.. it took a sec to load the 113 mb images but once they loaded holy crap there crisp.

Reason i stated my rig is because one would think it would take that image and eat it for dinner, so a word of warning --Dont try this on a celeron you will lock you box up get the images in the kilobyte size if you dont have a pc with good throughput times on your data buses and no bottlenecks... just the ifran view process is using 680 mb of active memory... and you dont want that paged.

I think the exact pic was like the third one down on the list i will check all of my history and find the exact file for ya... The jp2 files are really really nice looking.
Joe

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To ArMaP and LocalJoe3, (and everyone else participating who has advanced the research into this case)

Thank you both for your suggestions on viewing the images. When I was researching earlier (post at the top of page 5) I could not view the images directly, and could only look at the pds files raw. That's where I found the image data.

I knew which images I was looking at visually because I cross-checked against the MSSS images, which I could view in an IE window.

Being able to view the raw pictures directly is a gift I cannot thank you both enough for. It's members like you, who willingly share their favorite software and other research tools, and who share their links, sourcing, and analysis results, that make ATS the place to be.

I've got to finish up the dishes, etc. before the GF gets home, but I'll check this out and be back online after a few hours.

-WFA

It appears to be a form of frozen gas and/or liquid, that protruded from deep underground under great pressure, thus freezing in the cold Martian climate; some kind of carbon ice maybe?

reply to post by stikkinikki


Excellent. I'm assuming these links are to dune grass and the growth cycle on Earth?

That's great to know, especially considering the fact that we know there is ground water (frozen we think) on Mars. The exact location could tell us a lot about the temperature and possibilities for ground water in this region.

I never knew that grass grew from sand dunes. That's just amazing.

-WFA

@WFA

Thanks for the kind words. Im a network tech / Administrator/ Custom build guy
and found this site from a few freinds on overunity.com they use it for entertainment and upcoming news and such. But theres much more here.

The exact image i found his crops from were this title

PSP_007140_2640_RGB.NOMAP.JP2 thats the file name to download and i recommend using firefox and a plugin called dta it is threaded meaning it will use the full bandwidth of your internet connection.. yet it makes downloads go in no time my basic road runner pulls 1200 kb per second with that plugin in firefox so highly recommended.

ps the jpeg2000 image is 114 mb

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reply to post by johndoeknows


I call this area Dunescape and this is a very special and serene place to me and home to what I call the Ohms. Written in the dunes are primitive symbols, pictorials and crude writings if you will look very closely and carefully. The crest and face of each dune catches and absorbs the Sun's rays to create radiant heat and solar energy thru the crystalline sands.

My theory is that water is apparently being released under pressure by the heating of the sands around the eastern perimeter of one of the particular circular heightened formations westwerdly in photo. Rik Riley



[edit on 9-4-2008 by rikriley]

Has anyone considered that the pics we are getting from mars are viewed by 1000's of scientists and other experts from around the world, not just NASA folks, and if there was any chance that there were in fact signs of life, be it alive, or dead, we would have heard something from the scientific community by now?

I'm pretty sure that if life in any form, past or present, is found on mars, it will first be discovered by someone far more in the know of such things instead of we folk here at ats who only have simple 2 dimensional pictures to look at.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for one of "us" to discover that one pic that shows life, but I'm afraid the chances of that happening are beyond reasoning.

However, it sure is fun looking and researching isn't it?

:-)

reply to post by sensfan


I agree Sensfan, however to put that in perspective, there are a whole lot of images available. The MOC camera on the MGS alone has (at time of writing):
18,812 New MGS MOC Images (E07-E12) Archived and Online
Total MOC Images Available: 112,218
MGS MOC Release No. MOC2-320, 7 October 2002

That's just one camera. We've also got rover data, orbiters around other worlds, etc. There is a lot of data coming in, and you never know what might either slip through the cracks or leak out through the public information 'filtering' process we call the mainstream media

I've been working on the image, and will post my analysis here in a moment. I hope you'll let me know what you think. I'm still not quite reconciling some aspects of these images. I've made some good visual aides though. So either you, or anyone else who understands these things can feel free to correct my markings, and offer alternative explanations for what we're seeing in these images.

Thanks for sticking with the thread. I'm already learning a lot about Mars I didn't really know before, so you're right. It is fun. After all, if we can't get there ourselves we do have these images. Mars has been imaged thoroughly by different cameras in many lighting conditions. We have comparison data and we can cross-check and index anomalies. So there are things that we can do here at ATS that are important. And you never know when one of us might stumble onto something big. There are fantasic minds here at this site, yourself included.

I'd never doubt the capacity for deduction from such a think-tank

I'll post again here in a moment when I've got my images formatted.

-WFA

Okay here we go…
Thanks to the assistance of several members mentioned above, I acquired the processed image, so that it would be a small enough file to post to imageshack, and so that we could get started on analysis.

At this point, before I post what think is in these images, I’d really appreciate the assistance of an ATS member who can download the full file, and sample the sections I’ve highlighted and marked up below in their higher resolution form. I’d really like to see zoomed in portions of these anomalies without pixilation posted here in this thread.

I’m going to U2U Internos after this post to see if he’s got the equipment to do it. If anyone else is capable, please post those highlighted sections here so that we can all see them

Without further babbling…
The Original Image, PSP_007140_2640_RED_browse.jpg is located here:
img522.imageshack.us...

Here is a Marked Version of the Image with Highlighted Areas for Zoom:


Here is the Section Highlighted in the above Image and Marked as 1 and the same Image with markings, merged into a composite:

The markings in this image indicate what I think I’m seeing here. Suggestions and alternative explanations welcome.

Here is the same Section Marked as 1 at 200% Size:
img214.imageshack.us...

Here is the Section Marked as 2, at 100% Size, also a composite with the original side by side with my marked version:


In these images, the things I’m referencing as ‘Shadows of 3-D Objects’ and ‘Possible 3-D Objects’ are much clearer. They seem to rise above ridgelines, where we would expect a stain or an area of exposed Mars soil to flow with the landscape (we would expect it to disappear at the ridgeline).

It’s just plain weird IMHO. And I’m willing to listen to and examine any theory put forward that can explain these anomalies. Thanks for everyone’s patience, I know it took a while to get that all marked up.

-WFA

Here is an even closer zoom, a screenshot of the high res version viewed online. In this image the objects do appear to follow the terrain more. Or do they?


I'm really not sure which theory is correct at this point. I'll check back in tomorrow to see what others have to say.

-WFA



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