Life on mars this is it! no doubt!

People what is it with attacking the OP. As stated if you dont believe it is trees then offer an explanation why instead of the old thuggery attitude. You make yourselves look stupid by not offering an explanation. As for typing a whole post to attack the OPs spelling then that is clearly a sign of how pathetic some posters on ATS have become. We all make minor mistakes with spelling but we dont expect someone to take the time to write a whole post about it??????????????/

Stay on topic dudes this is a good discussion without all the crap posts

EDIT HERE: NETSTORM beat me to it

[edit on 8-4-2008 by thesaint]

I'm afraid that the "trees" on mars have in fact been debunked on many threads here on ats and elsewhere. With more high res images of the locations, they are clearly not trees.




edited to echo others who have stated that attacking the OP due to spelling and punctuation is childish and has no place in a serious discussion. Go back and look at your own posts and I bet you will find plenty of mistakes. Let's stick to the topic :-)

[edit on 8-4-2008 by sensfan]

Okay people, the topic of this thread is
Life on mars this is it! no doubt!
So stick to it please, and leave all personal comments about the OP at the door!!

[edit on 9/4/2008 by Sauron]

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In fact, I neglected an f in your name when I last spelled it. My apologies

I had not seen the higher resolution images of the area, nor had I seen the other threads here at ATS about that image. Thank you for providing me with that pic.

I'm not sure why you don't think it looks like trees, it still does in the high res shot to me. It looks an awful lot like a fractal growth pattern. But since there is another thread about that image, I will try to find it and discuss the image there.

One of the points I was attempting to illustrate earlier is that water has been detected on and within the surface of Mars. This to me suggests a support structure for plantlife, and that's one of the reasons I'm inclined to believe that some of what we're seeing on Mars is plantlife. Add to this the fact that Mars once held oceans.

I'll be the first to admit that this is a circumstantial case at best.

I am very open to learning, and would very much like to see the explanation for the apparent 'shadows' that correspond to the sun angle in these particular images.

Thanks for showing respect from your side of the aisle
You'll always receive it from me as well.

-WFA

@op

I went and looked in the root dir of the arizona site you posted! cool pics , i cropped my personal fav to share. Hopefully folks see what i am in this one.




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Originally posted by WitnessFromAfar

If you actually want to examine the evidence, what I see in this image is a 3-dimensional object casting a shadow.

But the "shadow" should be going towards the right as the light is coming in from the left of frame.

Great post,S & F..................Those are some of the best pics I ve seen from Mars.........it will be hard to debunk the "sand people" and I never have seen Arthur C. Clarkes "trees"before......now those are even harder to explain.

Best pics we have seen from mars?
are you kidding me? you haven't seen many I guess.

Live on mars this is it! no doubt!
LMFAO.. not even close... so you have some pics of dunes with different colored soil... that is NOT life on mars... and yes, there is doubt (no doubt about life on mars.. just doubt about the pics)..
I agree with dave420 for a change, you guys see what you wanna see. nothing more.
to me it just looks like the soil underneath is different in some way (composition) and when the ridges fell a bit on the tops of the dunes, it just exposed the difference in color.
does mars have lightning? that might be one way too.

sorry guys, there are toooo many BETTER pics on here and other places for this to be called "Live on mars this is it! no doubt! "
HA.

I bet in about 2 weeks, someone will post these pics again claiming that its once again, total proof... when its not.

do better guys...

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My apologies IAttackPeople, I should have been more clear, the part I'm refering to as appearing to be 'shadow' is on the right of the image, I can't seem to upload the marked image I just made to illustrate. I'm on a wierd computer at work and it isn't letting me upload to Imageshack.

I'll try to describe what I'm seeing in words instead.
The part that extends to the Up direction (assuming up is North?)
looks like the trunk and branches of a tree. Specifically a tropical tree like a palm.

The small dark blotch (completely black) to the right and bottom of the object is what I was refering to as shadow. Sorry for the confusion. I wish I could just post my marked image

I also see this pattern repeat in other 'trees' or whatever they are. On the zoomed out version, you can even see several longer shadows (as some objects appear to be situated on dunes in such a manner to cause a longer shadow. These shadows all line up with the shadows of the dunes themselves.

If I can't get my image to upload at work today, I'll do it tonight.
Perhaps I'm seeing something that isn't really there, but it does look to me like a 3-D object casting a shadow, consistent with the sun.

-WFA

reply to post by WitnessFromAfar


Well those very well could be shadows, and that would be consistent with the scientific explanantion that theorizes that these are carbon dioxide/water ice "geysers"...

...just as "sensfan" said in his earlier post here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So this theory that these are "geysers" seems plausible, albeit not yet proven. However, I need to disagree with the OP when he stated "Live [sic] on Mars...No doubt!" I actually have quite a bit of doubt, since the photos look more like a geyser than vegetation.


[edit on 4/8/2008 by Soylent Green Is People]

Hi all,

Thanks for trying to explain these images...I am trying to understand the NASA explanation for them. And thanks for posting it Sensfan!

What causes the black dots on dunes on Mars? As spring dawned on the Northern Hemisphere of Mars in 2004, dunes of sand near the poles begin to defrost. Thinner regions of ice typically thaw first revealing sand whose darkness soaks in sunlight and accelerates the thaw. The process might involve sandy jets exploding through the thinning ice. By summer, the spots expanded to encompass the entire dunes that were then completely thawed and dark.

So just for clarification on my part, these MIGHT be sandy jets exploding through the thinning ice? So when they explode through the ice, do they refreeze and form these tree-looking shapes?

Or are these sandy jets in motion here and a bunch of them just happened to be exploding out of the sand at the same time?

Originally posted by sensfan
I'm afraid that the "trees" on mars have in fact been debunked on many threads here on ats and elsewhere. With more high res images of the locations, they are clearly not trees.

The threads I've seen are still indicating that it could be some sort of plant, growth, lichen, or fungi. Could someone post links to those debunkings?

Geyser-like features kinda make sense to explain some claims of trees on Mars...

[edit on 8-4-2008 by GrayFox]

Mars and all its wonders! Keep looking out there! Sooner or later something will be found that will be solid enough to hold some water with everyone, and make it comman knowledge!
If you need a hand with some research I would suggest looking into Mikes threads! This guy has done alot of work!
And I dont mean to put down the couple pics you put up, as its great!
But if you want to really drive this fact home to the debunkers, and other people who will deny. Your going to need much more than these dunes pics!
Take a look threw this Folder thread, and you will find plenty of information to back up your claims.
However just posting some shadowy pics, will only get so far.
Dont get me wrong, its a good step in the right direction, but we need more than baby steps to capture the minds of ATS debunkers. They can be a very critical crowd here. But thats a healthy thing.. They keep us in check, when things start getting a little fishy!
I respect all debunkers, and belivers alike, we are all after the same thing, but we just have our own way of dealing with this process.

Looks like some sort of growth to me....that is 3D and NOT discolored sand.

Trees, plants, crystals, who knows????? But discolored soil seems a lame explanation. I don't see discolored sand at all. I see a three dimensional/tall growth of some sort. I can't say it's trees that are alive. Maybe some sort of petrified growth from long ago. Maybe some weird chemical/crystal growth that we can't readily relate to?

NASA is not to be trusted, IMHO. They have air brushed, hidden and explained away a lot during their lifetime in existence. But they say what TPTB or the military will allow them to say.

The debunkers can say what they want. But I can't stand it when it's somehow been so-called "conclusively debunked"....I mean, they're guessing like everyone else. Using our very flawed understanding on what's possible in this solar system on other planets.....like we know for sure.

Originally posted by GreenRobot
I mean, they're guessing like everyone else.

Including you....isn't that interesting?

Why do they only appear at the very crest of a dune? Admittedly, a relatively short lived geological feature. The colorized images posted make it much clearer....something running down the side of a dune. Shadows are out of the question....they are running the wrong direction.

Neat but hardly a "smoking gun".

Only way this subject will ever be resolved is by going to Mars.
And NASA isn't getting the funding required.

Instead of wasting energy arguing about blurry pictures why not start getting off our butts and making it known we want to go to Mars?

Mars is a really interesting planet isn't it?
It isn't so far away either...

But anyways for those tree pictures, to me though they did not look like trees, more like an illusion created by the dunes, i think it is oil.

Water on mars can only be found in it's frozen state, liquid water will change it's state when it gets in contact with Mars atmosphere, and turn into a gas form (sorry! can not find the source, and i just read it a few days ago).

But they are still nice pictures that gets the imagination working

S&F for the OP.

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You are correct. The only way it can be a shadow is if there was another source of light nearby from another direction( e.g car headlights ). Which would be very unlikely lol.

[edit on 8-4-2008 by _Phoenix_]

I love Mars, all those trees and ballet in the evening.

The shadows, not Hank and friends, imply to me that
there is life there, it may be a park or an area where
animals live.
If the animals live around there, then I'm quite sure
NASA will have images of them. They may be in flocks
or herds, there may be herdsmen who tend the domesticated
animals... they must live somewhere?

These images are positve proof that life is alive and well on
Mars, I'm just a little disappointed that NASA (and I've got quite
a few bdges of theirs) don't want to show them for some reason.

I hope you find the images of houses etc., that'll stop the
debunkers.

Does anyone know where I can get these pictures in high resolution so I can zoom in. It gets too blury with these low quality pictures.