John Titor Prediction 2008 Olympics in China Cancelled - Comes True?

Even if the 2008 Olympics are canceled I will still consider Titor a fraud. The alternative timeline claim just makes his statements unfalsifiable and therefore impossible to rationally analyze.

If we are to analyze his "predictions" at all, first we must make them falsifiable. This can only be done by assuming that he's from our timeline, or one exactly like it (not to mention, if he isn't his story has no relevancy anyway). And, assuming that he came from our timeline and even one of his predictions was wrong, he is a fraud. Therefore, considering most of his predictions did not come true, we must assume that he was a fraud.

The information he gave about the IBM 5100 is an obscure bit of knowledge, but certainly one available to retro-computing enthusiasts in 2001.

The fact that he never posted again is also irrelevant, as all he would have to do would be to log out and never log back in under that name again.

[edit on 7-4-2008 by SamuraiDrifter]

pure coincidence if he is right...

he messed up 2006's olympics...its quite easy to say something wont happen when the world is the way it is...

Predictions need to go a bit further than the olympics to be considered worthy of my beliefs..its a 50/50 chance that you'd be right anyways...theres nothing spectacular about this.

Originally posted by jbmitch
reply to post by mikesingh

 

"So in his time"

So he comes back to our "time line" to get an antiquated computer in 1975 to work in a computer made in 2046.. his time line so 80 years in the future?

No he doesn't! He can't come back on his original time line (Ours). If he travels back in time from 2046, he would have gone back on a different vector. But of course, that IBM computer would be in existence and most of the other stuff there.

In other words, it would be impossible to travel back on the same time line! Probably a law of nature?? Even if he's off by a billionth of a second in our time line, we still wouldn't be able to interact with him, as he would either be in our past or in the future!! He can't change the past, and we haven't reached our future! Confusing? You bet!

So that's why I think John Titor is a figment of someone's imagination!

Beijing! Here I come!

If titoe dosen't end up back in his time line would that make him a missing person?

The very fact that the Olympics of 2006 occurred proves his prediction that no Olympics would be held after 2004 is false.

Nothing to argue about or discuss. He was wrong. There is no other way to say it. That's the only way to "test" whether someone is right or not in making predictions: They make a prediction about the future. When the time comes to pass for the event stated in the prediction, either it comes true, or it doesn't. It can't "kind of" pass.

1 or 0. On or Off. True or False.

reply to post by harrytuttle

Except that myself and many others don't consider the Winter Olympics as THE Olympics. When someone says the word 'Olympics' to me, I think track and field, not snow. That may be somewhat negligent of me, but that's what's been ingrained into me - that THE Olympics happens every four years. I believe Titor was meant to be from Florida. I wouldn't expect someone in Florida to pay as much attention to the Winter Olympics. Someone in Canada, yes. Just something to think about. I guess we'll see over the next couple of months.

if i would have a say in the Olympics i would cancel it if it would be held in China. the Olympics is an event of peace and china is far from it. at the other hand every country will be if there was an Iran invasion.

so it might happen.

and for predictions: i could easily make about 500 predictions a day, and surely i'll be on the spot with at least 50.

if i make it to have multiple interpretations,... well, let's do the math:

500 P(*) with 10 I(**) each = 5000 predictions witch 10 percent hit ratio there will be 500 P witch are correct. 1 on 1 hit.

* predictions
** different interpretations

(oh my god, i could be Jesus and girls would love me)

I read the entire (very interesting) thread. I noticed one thing. A lot of people speak about the boycot of the olympics. However a boycot wouldn't be a reason to cancel the olympics. Not being able to guarantee the safety of atlethes and visitors would. Remember the last message from the terrorists; it won't be in what you hear, but in what you see. We hear all about the situation in Tibet and everyone (including the Chinese government) is focused on Tibet. It gives a lot of room for terrorists to plan an attack on the Olympics.

Originally posted by battlestargalactica
reply to post by xfosterXchaunx

 

The grandfather Paradox:

“The Grandfather Paradox [where you go back in time and kill your grandfather] is not an issue,” said Mallett. “In a sense, time travel means that you’re traveling both in time and into other universes. If you go back into the past, you’ll go into another universe. As soon as you arrive at the past, you’re making a choice and there’ll be a split. Our universe will not be affected by what you do in your visit to the past.”

so basically if he goes back in time it’s to a different universe and anything he told us is from a different plane of existence?
wow, that just proves that he's real. Lol
does that make this story plausible as well?

A baby girl is mysteriously dropped off at an orphanage in Cleveland in 1945. "Jane" grows up lonely and dejected, not knowing who her parents are, until one day in 1963 she is strangely attracted to a drifter. She falls in love with him. But just when things are finally looking up for Jane, a series of disasters strike. First, she becomes pregnant by the drifter, who then disappears. Second, during the complicated delivery, doctors find that Jane has both sets of sex organs, and to save her life, they are forced to surgically convert "her" to a "him." Finally, a mysterious stranger kidnaps her baby from the delivery room.
Reeling from these disasters, rejected by society, scorned by fate, "he" becomes a drunkard and drifter. Not only has Jane lost her parents and her lover, but he has lost his only child as well. Years later, in 1970, he stumbles into a lonely bar, called Pop's Place, and spills out his pathetic story to an elderly bartender. The sympathetic bartender offers the drifter the chance to avenge the stranger who left her pregnant and abandoned, on the condition that he join the "time travelers corps." Both of them enter a time machine, and the bartender drops off the drifter in 1963. The drifter is strangely attracted to a young orphan woman, who subsequently becomes pregnant.
The bartender then goes forward 9 months, kidnaps the baby girl from the hospital, and drops off the baby in an orphanage back in 1945. Then the bartender drops off the thoroughly confused drifter in 1985, to enlist in the time travelers corps. The drifter eventually gets his life together, becomes a respected and elderly member of the time travelers corps, and then disguises himself as a bartender and has his most difficult mission: a date with destiny, meeting a certain drifter at Pop's Place in 1970.

reply to post by ambushrocks


what terrorists?
tibetians?

is in heir religion not to harm others. counter to Islam they lay down suffer and die if they have to but don't fight back.

of course there could be someone or some org. that tries to change that. ie: enrage to kill. but i doubt it. those people have serious depressions if they have to kill a fly.

reply to post by encoder


No no... I'm sorry if I came across that way, I do not mean Tibetians. I mean Al Queda. I just meant that China is focussing on tibet and the world is focussing on Tibet and that gives al queda some space to move.

OMG all I am saying is that I saw the evening paper and the Olympic torch has been put out in France....

Funny stuff, may be true.

Seeing some of the stuff posted here, I want to add an opinion:

The further away something is in time, the more difficult it is to predict. Time-space fluctates and changes. When a time-traveller or a prophet make predictions they can only make predictions from the current probability-line...which is subject to change the more time passes.

reply to post by Skyfloating


someone whit brains.
time is generally an illusion. if we make a clock, than we tie it to the greatest illusion of all, our common understanding of nature refined to absoluteness.

so if we are the illusionists than we might get a peak in what we are doing.

quantumphysics already hit that barrier and they start to realize, we are the illusionists.
but at a very small scale.
ooooh, if those particles would be larger!

but we cannot rule out the "math"

500 P(*) with 10 I(**) each = 5000 predictions witch 10 percent hit ratio there will be 500 P witch are correct. 1 on 1 hit.

* predictions
** different interpretatios

but in reality i believe in prophets and "parallel" universes. it ties more to the final truth:
"there is no spoon"

sorry for misunderstanding ambushrocks

After reading thru some of his answers to questions on www.johntitor.com I have to conclude that his whole story is bunk. Aside from not getting some predictions correct (like a U.S. Civil War in '05), he stumbles on one particular question in my mind.

If this worldline is 2 percent divergent from your worldline, how do you get home? If you go forward from here to 2036, won't the divergence approach infinity?

His reply...

Yes, this is true. If I go forward on this worldline, the future will not be my future. I get home by going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036.

By going back to 1975 before he arrived he would be creating even more divergence and jumping to yet another worldline. In effect, there would be no way for him to truly get back to his worldline.

His answer to how things work is that the VGL (Variable Gravity Lock) takes a precise measurement of his time allowing him to return. Well, if that's the case he shouldn't have to go back to a point before he arrived, he should just be able to go back. IMO, he was flustered by the question and tried to come up with a new answer which made no sense whatsoever.

If you pull on a thread and the story starts to unravel, you gotta figure the whole thing is bunk.

Here's my olympic prediction...US wins gold in hoops.

I remember reading the original Titor threads years ago. Didn't a woman who posted on that board say that she met the guy claiming to be Titor personally and that he turned out to be a fraud? She seemed to be a mod/respected member of the board if I recall correctly. I think her username was Pamela or something like that.

well to me at least he'd have been able to prove his story easy enough.

im sure that at least ONE of the people involved in his discussions years ago was a scientist of some type with access to a lab.

so, if theres an upcoming nuclear war, and IF his time travel device brought some of the dirt under the vechicle when he left. grab a sample. if there was a major nuclear war there should have been at least traces of fallout everywhere and it would ahve been pretty easy for someone with the right equipment to identify the isotopes. theres not that much irradiated soil out there today so had he soil samples that contained fallout it would have made his story, at the very least, plausible no?

reply to post by mikesingh


"In other words, it would be impossible to travel back on the same time line! Probably a law of nature?? Even if he's off by a billionth of a second in our time line, we still wouldn't be able to interact with him, as he would either be in our past or in the future!! He can't change the past, and we haven't reached our future! Confusing? You bet!"

If I undertand this correctly ,,, natural laws prevent us from going back in time on our time line and returning,,, but we can travel to an alternate time,, do what we will then return to our own,,,?

If so,,, dimensional travel in and out of our time line,,is not subject to the same laws as time travel... so the discussion about ancient prophecies or returning "super races" i.e. et's would have to be dimensional travel and subject to time restriction,,, ..meaning that the Annuki that we here during the Sumerian Empire,, actully do wait 5, 000 years of our time to return and not just wink in an out of Time line at will.
JM

reply to post by jbmitch


To add to the confusion ,,, if superior races port in and out of our time line via dimesional wraps versus traveling along the same time ..line.

Even if they do come and go via dimensonl wharp.. they are still subject to the diffence in "Time" as it passes on earth (earth time) versus time in the outer reaches of space (based off Einstien's theories on time) effected by precession and the earth wobble.. This would still effectively make them seem immortal..

The simple truth of the matter here is that China should never have been awarded the opportunity to stage the Olympic Games.