The truth about "Thief in the night" and the Great Harlot of Revelation

reply to post by napayshni57


So you think the WOMAN and the WHORE are the same thing and that is the UN.
So what about THE BEAST in Revelation comprising of 10 horns and 7 heads that has authority over the whole world....the Beast definately sounds like the UN but that would then mean BEAST, WHORE and WOMAN are all different names for the same entity yet most people seem to see them all as separate (maybe that's the mistake made?).

I think I'm going to get a huge piece of paper and section off each entity John named then list the clues associated with each one and cross reference with other texts to figure out if these really are one and the same or all different

Often times in the Bible we have metaphorical descriptions of celestial events. According to the symbolism of the zodiac, the story is told. The symbolism is very important to understand.

"A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. "



"And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne. "




"And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. "



"The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. "

And I looked, and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.

And Power was given unto them over the
fourth part of the earth, to kill with the sword,
and with hunger, and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

reply to post by cosmicpixie


You know Pixie this is a tough one for me to call. Either we have an evolution of the woman/whore/ beast. Or we have an evolution of the woman/whore and the beast is so close you can't tell where one starts and the other leaves off.

"when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." the UN could fit this. It replaced the league of nations after ww2. so it was, wasn't yet it is again.

A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. "

This could be symbolic of the all the peoples of the earth. The tribes of Israel 13 tribes in all. The woman would represent the Levites the twelve stars the other tribes. Or another way of looking at it so it means the woman represents all the people..all the astrological signs. For there are 13 astrological signs also.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Again the beast has parts that represent the tribes of Israel.

The man, the ox, the eagle and the lion are all symbols for tribes of Israel also.

There are 10 major contributors to the UN. There have also been 7 former Heads of it. It is now on its 8th head he took over in 2007.

I also don't believe we are talking about religious practices by churches. I believe we are talking more about having no other gods before me. The UN sets in a country where our gods are greed and power. We idolize gold and material things. I've yet to see a church that fosters in its people that power and gold should be worshiped and not God. It would have to be core principles that are being distorted to leave God out. No bible based church does that. Not even the vatican or the Pope. People need to look deeper at what ails us as human beings to see what beast teaches us that God wouldn't like. That might take us a bit closer to finding the beast and the woman turned whore.

You can also think of the transition of the league of Nations to the UN as the woman giving about to give birth the league of nations was to create world peace. A very Christ like action I would think. The womans child is taken away because the dragon was laying in wait to keep it safe. The league of nations was then replaced by the UN.

The Security Council is charged with maintaining peace and security among countries. While other organs of the United Nations can only make 'recommendations' to member governments, the Security Council has the power to make binding decisions that member governments have agreed to carry out, under the terms of Charter Article 25.[9] The decisions of the Council are known as United Nations Security Council resolutions.

The Security Council is made up of 15 member states, consisting of 5 permanent members - China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States - and 10 non-permanent members, currently Austria, Burkina Faso, Costa Rica, Croatia, Japan, Libya, Mexico, Turkey, Uganda, and Vietnam. The five permanent members hold veto power over substantive but not procedural resolutions allowing a permanent member to block adoption but not to block the debate of a resolution unacceptable to it. The ten temporary seats are held for two-year terms with member states voted in by the General Assembly on a regional basis. The presidency of the Security Council is rotated alphabetically each month,[10] and is held by United Kingdom for the month of August 2009.

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would that not be giving power for a small amount of time?

Perhaps the woman/whore is the organization and the beast is what fills her up..people.

[edit on 4-8-2009 by napayshni57]

reply to post by 12.21.12


I might be seeing this coat of arms in a different light. But I see a lion with its claws out not bear feet.

The lion is symbol associated with the tribe of Judah. I've read where the royals of England are descendents from that tribe.

Rumor has it that they also have the throne of David in their possession.

The Unicorn is a symbol used for Christ many times.

In the picture both look as if they are trying to protect/hold up the shield.

Seeing the crown above the shield says to me they are defending the faith since Jesus was from the royal line of David, He was also from the levite line also which makes him both high priest and a king.

Please explain how this is seen in another light and why to me. I would like to know. I'll tell you thanks ahead of time you always seem to answer questions promptly. Looking forward to your reply.

reply to post by napayshni57


Well you just said it for the most part. Jesus comes from the lineage of David. The descriptions at work in the book of Revelations are a play on ancient traditions that the Royal Family still takes part in today.

(As sort of a mental note, Julius Caesar was the man who made up the twelve month calendar instead of thirteen. So you can fill in the blanks.)

A good way to pick up on some of these ancient traditions is to take a look at the Book of Solomon.

www.esotericarchives.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Also for your consideration there are direct references to secret societies in the Bible, some that still exist today.

Like the Order of the Dragon.
en.wikipedia.org...

On December 12, 1408, following the Battle of Dobor, Sigismund and his queen, Barbara of Celje, founded the league known today as the Order of the Dragon.[3][4] [5] Its statutes, written in Latin, call it a society (societas) whose members carry the signum draconis (see below), but assign no name to it. Contemporary records, however, refer to it by a variety of similar if unofficial names, such as Gesellschaft mit dem Trakchen, Divisa seu Societate Draconica, Societate Draconica seu Draconistarum and Fraternitas Draconum.[6] It was to some extent modelled after the earlier Hungarian monarchical order, the Order of St. George (Societas militae Sancti Georgii), founded by King Carol Robert of Anjou in 1318. It likewise adopted St. George as its patron saint, whose legendary defeat of a dragon was used as a symbol for the military and religious ethos of the order. The prologue to the statutes of 1408 reports that the society was created:
"in company with the prelates, barons, and magnates of our kingdom, whom we invite to participate with us in this party, by reason of the sign and effigy of our pure inclination and intention to crush the pernicious deeds of the same perfidious Enemy, and of the followers of the ancient Dragon, and (as one would expect) of the pagan knights, schismatics, and other nations of the Orthodox faith, and those envious of the Cross of Christ, and of our kingdoms, and of his holy and saving religion of faith, under the banner of the triumphant Cross of Christ ..."[7]

There is also a society called 'Babalon' and several others.

reply to post by napayshni57


First off, look at your bible. The symbolism of a woman is always talking about churches. In Revelation you have two women. One who is giving birth to the Christ and hidden in the wilderness (THE CHURCH OF GOD) and one who is called a harlot/whore (FALSE CHURCH) who rides the beast (POLITICAL). I say Rome and the Roman Catholic Church because Rome is the 4th empire spoken of by Daniel in his statue vision with the legs of iron being the Pagan Roman Empire and the feet and toes of iron and clay mixed being the future revivals. The ten toes equals the revivals. Later Daniel has a vision of 4 beasts which parallel the vision of the statue with identity of the successive 4 empires. The 4th beast was Rome and it had ten horns on it's head with a smaller horn with eyes that uprooted 3 of the horns. This is three failed attempts to revive the Roman Empire after Pagan Rome fell. This leaves us with 7 horns or 7 revivals starting with Justinian who was crowned by the Pope.

Now why is the Roman Catholic Church considered the false church/ false religion? Well, because they have adopted pagan practices into christianity. Where did sunday worship come from? Where did christmas and easter come from? Where did the idea of the trinity of one god come from? Why do the catholics "hail Mary" and "revere" the saints? What's the idea of the rosary? Why do you confess your sins to a priest when Jesus directed us to bring our prayers directly to God? Why do the catholics call priests "father" when this is spoken against by Jesus? Along with titles like "Pope/pontiff", "reverend (a person to revere)", etc. Why did the catholics do away with the 7 holy day feasts celebrated by the early christians, which were commanded by God in the Old Testament? I can go on forever and I can answer every one of those questions which would prove my point of the RCC being the false religion or false christianity. The protestant splinter groups that hold some of the aboved traditions fall in this category also. God's church is a "small flock" and "difficult and narrow is the way to life and few there will find it". The combination of catholic and protestant believers makes up 1/3 of the world's population. That's around 2 billion. Not too small of a flock.

The Roman Empire fits like a glove too. I tell you what. Read my new thread posted last week which goes into deep detail about the 7 revivals of the Roman Empire. I posted 2 chapters from a book with much information and I urge all readers of this thread to at least skim through all of the info and comment on what you find.

www.belowtopsecret.com...

reply to post by napayshni57


Also, for more info on the Roman Catholic Church and how they got started, check out my conspiracy thread on who really founded catholicism... and it's not St. Peter.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Locoman8


Hello Locoman Yes I've heard that before from men that when the bible talks of women it means churches. You say it's symbolic. Why do you limit the symbolism to churches. The beginning of something is its birth. That is what women do give birth. Just because in much of the bible the church is called a woman does not mean church is the only thing a woman can symbolize. Is your car a he or a she when you speak of it? Like a woman it carries life inside of it. An organization a country they are also called she's. The bring about a new existance of something.

When we limit ourselves to the thinking that a word has to mean one thing and only one thing in the bible we limit our views of what the bible is saying. Much like organized religion would have us do.

In knowing your bible as you do you know that many of the words in that bible had 4 meanings for that one word when they were in hebrew. So why are you trying to limit the meaning for woman to just one?

You also forget John was seeing the future. How many organizations did they have in that time and before the time of John were other than military, government or religious? Would John of been able to comprehend a place like the league of nations or the UN that was to bring world peace without considering it a church of some kind?

I have many bibles some reaching 97 years old. I also have books that have much of the bible translated in them in the orginal wording. You should check into those and that is where you find the difference in the wording in the bible from its original text.

My God/Source/Creator which ever you would like to call him/her (since we know the hebrew word for God is without gender) must be a more understanding God than the one portrayed in the bible. If he wasn't I'd be in big dung pile with him for working on the sabbath which is Saturday. Foretunately my God seems to bless me with 4 days off where I can teach my child at home in the way I see fit, enjoy my life and tend to the part of earth that he has bestowed on me. I consider myself very blessed.

You see Christmas and Easter as pagan holidays. Yet you fail to see that those pagan holidays that became mixed with the events in the life of Jesus at least bring Jesus into peoples minds twice a year. Just like the Catholic church you may put them down as evil yet have you wondered without that institution just where would the bible or Jesus be today? Would they even be around today?

You speak of the saints and Mary. Have you ever raised a child? Mary must of done one heck of a job at being a mom to raise a son with that taught the words of Jesus the Christ. Can you imagine knowing you are raising a son that will be killed? You as a parent would you could you raise your son in a way knowing it would be his end? She did so yes I can understand as a woman why she deserves to be respected and honored as one heck of a woman. The saints risked their very lives to preach the word you speak of today. Again a noble cause they deserve honor and respect also. Worship is different than honor and respect. Even though I am not catholic or never have been I can see there might be a difference in how you seem to be viewing their take on this.

As for organized religion under any name, baptist, pentacost, catholic, luthern, etc this is what I find fault with them all of them they teach us there is a seperation between us and God. When there is none. Here is an example it comes from the bible. You know the Lords prayer?
"Our Father, who art in Heaven". When the original translation was "Radiant one you shine within us, outside us even darkness shine when we remember".

Now you see how todays bible has been translated also. So when you tell me woman has to mean church because it always does in the bible I can not agree with that. What makes you think they got those translations anymore accurate?

You also tell me that it fits with the roman empire. One thing I've noticed about the bible is if you try hard enough you can make the bible fit where you want it to fit. I also did a thread and in the thread the bible can also read similar to the sumerian tablets, and the terra papers .

I also don't limit myself to just the books in the bible. Of course we both know how the bible came into being don't we. I myself consider the books that didn't make it into the bible. Such as the book of enoch. Enoch is talked of in the bible, He's quoted in Job yet people that only recognize the books in the bible dismiss it. You look for the evil that came in later history. Enoch talks about the evil that was here long before that. Perhaps we have to understand those books to understand the prophecy in the bible. If you read Enoch you understand why there is so much astrology in the bible. Understanding the ancient evil you will see it switches its servants to who has the most power at that time. The church doesn't have the power it had back then. The church is not the whore anymore she's grown old and tired she don't have the following like she did back then. Her power is almost gone. If you want to find the dragon, the whore and babylon just look for where todays powerful are.

The false doctrine doesn't have to be a church teaching it can be anything that mirrors a teaching of Christ thats used for a cover. Such as peace, humanity goodwill towards others. Notice Jesus did not teach the old laws in the OT. What did Christ teach?


[edit on 5-8-2009 by napayshni57]

reply to post by 12.21.12

Thanks I thought I was missing something sinister and evil in the coat of arms. If I was I wanted it pointed out to me. Sometimes we don't grasp the whole symbology of something. Like some men when it comes to the part in the bible about birth pains. We women know birth pains start a long time before you go to the hospital lol. Just wanted to make sure this wasn't one of those times I might be looking at it from a point of view I didn't fully understand the whole meaning of.

Great post, Loco, you explained it very well! I agree with most of your points. When I read Revelation 17 and 18, it sounds like the city would be "New York City" instead of "Rome". I know we were all taught that the city of the seven hills was Rome, but I wonder if it could be that the seven "hills" could be the seven buildings that were the World Trade. The "city that rules over the kings of the earth" could be the United Nations. New York is surrounded by water, and during the 911 attacks, the people in boats had dust on their heads, and they were weeping. The merchandise that was now gone, in my opinion, could be the stock market. New York has many different groups of people, from all over the world, the singing would be "Broadway". I read the Hal Lindsey books years ago, and I know he says it's Rome, but it just sounds more like NYC. Many Americans are descended from Europe, and are descendents of Charlemagne, King of the Holy Roman Empire. America could be "the young lions", or even Britain. Ok, guys, so is the city NYC or Rome?

www.biblegateway.com...

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Does anyone have a clue as to who the two witnesses will be? I have no idea at this time. What do you think?

reply to post by Blueangel7


"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. "

America's symbol is the eagle.

I found this interesting Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Daniel.


EIGHT EMPIRES of Rev. 17 and Dan 2. Nebuchadnezzar's Dream

1. EGYPTIAN EMPIRE [Existing before Nebuchadnezzar's Dream]


2. ASSYRIAN EMPIRE [Existing before Nebuchadnezzar's Dream]

3.BABYLONIAN Head of Gold
605 - 539BC




4. MEDIAN-PERSIAN Breast and Arms of Silver
539 - 331BC




5. GRECIAN Belly and thighs of Brass
331 - 168BC




6. ROMAN Legs of Iron
168BC - 476AD The Republic
800AD - 1806 Holy Roman Empire









Revived Roman Empire in two parts=United nations.

7. NAZI (Iron Mixed with Clay Pt 1.)
The Scattered: “and when he comes, he must continue a short space.” And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.” Rev 17:10,11


8. US/U.N. (U.S. as Catalysts Pt2) N.W.O.
The Strong: “ and the ten horns which you saw are ten Kings which have received no kingdom as yet; but received power as Kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast” Rev 17: 12,13 Empires 7 and 8are both the complete Revived Roman Empire in two parts opposed yet ultimately the same of Dan 2:41 “And whereas you saw the feet and the toes, part of potters clay, and part of Iron, The Kingdom shall BE DIVIDED ...so shall the Kingdom be partly strong and partly broken.”

You can see the picture and all here.

www.echoesofenoch.org...

reply to post by napayshni57


There could be something sinister about it. Remember the story where Moses instructed to have those whoe did worshipped the calf ordered to death?

The Sumerians also told about how the Gods were elected according to their astrological age.

Think about it. We are getting near the end of the age of Pisces. I would like to tell you that there is nothing sinister in the works, but what would I know.

Many religions teach of the Matreiya, who is also depicted holding a pale of water. (Aquarius)

Also the Bible says everything will be destroyed and those in the new world will have no memory of the old world. That could be because of after reincarnation we are born knowing only spiritual truths, but with no knowledge of the real world.

But think again. If there is a new religious program in the works, it is important for TPTB to tell a different story and still gain popularity and followers, just like Christianity. That can't happen if people are still going with the old program.

reply to post by Locoman8

First off, look at your bible. The symbolism of a woman is always talking about churches. In Revelation you have two women. One who is giving birth to the Christ and hidden in the wilderness (THE CHURCH OF GOD) and one who is called a harlot/whore (FALSE CHURCH) who rides the beast (POLITICAL).

Well I happen to think your pretty close here, but I disagree.

Historically the only figure that was accounted for was the one by the name of Caesarion, same bloodline that links back to Solomon. He was the first born son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra which made him heir to the crown.

However Julius Caesar was stabbed to death and after this Cleopatra feared for Caesarions life as the apparent heir to the crown. Historically we have two accounts of what happened. One says he was killed. The other says he was exiled to India and given over to his new caretakers (adopted parents). Mary and Joseph.

There is also the account by Nicholas Notovich who visited the monastary in India and the lost years of Jesus were later confirmed by others following in his footsteps by the name of St Issa. This is where Jesus became enlightened. He studied ancient brahman texts and lived in the monastary before traveling back to Alexandria in his late twenties.

Isis has a similar story and was from the same line and mother of Horus. Virgin mother supposedly. But thats in a name. Isis means "virgin goddess" or "high priestess", in tarot they are the same thing. Anyhow Cleopatra also procalimed her name to be Isis. And Issa or Esau means son of Isis or Jesus in the egyptian language.

So after he came back to Alexandria he married Selene (who as a twin) his half sister by Cleopatra and Mark Anthony.

So yes there are many different influences to the church, but we are talking the difference of Mark Anthonys Line Versus Julius Caesars line. Really these people all just wanted and probably still want the same thing...... To be the most high.

reply to post by 12.21.12


If you told me there was nothing sinister going on I would say OH MY lol. It's one of the things I don't believe. Yes there is something sinister going on and its been going on since as far back as the bible goes. I think even farther back than that but we don't have any books or anything to prove it.

I'm one of those people that believe this isn't the first rodeo on this planet and it won't be the last. We are just nearing the end. If you've every been to a rodeo you know they save the best bullrides for the last. They start out with some bull rides get your attention lots of action..lots of thrills..then they go to calf roping and barrell racing and yeah they're all good but your mind starts wondering and you take your focus off whats going on because the action isn't as thrilling..but you know they have more bull rides so you don't leave but your really not paying attention either. Then the last bullriders come out. They have your attention you watch every move you don't want to miss one little thing. Kind of like life now. We know something is coming full of action and thrills so we are all paying attention. When the second round of bull riding is done the crowd leaves most of them. But a few still hang on because they usually have more calf ropers waiting to go.

I consider this like the rodeo once the final bull ride is over for us a few will still be around hanging back to watch and wait for the rest to get over and then wait for the next rodeo to start up again at a later point in time.

Remember the Native Americans say they came out of caves in the earth. Why would their ancestors emerged from caves in the earth? Only reason I can think of is because a long time before that they ran there for safety and had to stay there a long while.

Ironically the bible warns that running into caves deep in the earth aint going to save you this time.

reply to post by napayshni57


Well I believe you are absolutely correct about that. This is not the first rodeo. This is the way it has been for thousands of years and it was all made possible through the concept of God, Religion, Money and Government. I am not saying theres no God. I am just saying that God is probably not what most people think. Anyhow, they say that on December 21, 2012 marks the point in the zodiac that the earth was created, therefor we have a chance to start over anew, without the influnces we know of today as God Religion, Money and Government.

Originally posted by napayshni57
reply to post by Blueangel7

 

"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. "

America's symbol is the eagle.

I found this interesting Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Daniel.


EIGHT EMPIRES of Rev. 17 and Dan 2. Nebuchadnezzar's Dream

1. EGYPTIAN EMPIRE [Existing before Nebuchadnezzar's Dream]


2. ASSYRIAN EMPIRE [Existing before Nebuchadnezzar's Dream]

3.BABYLONIAN Head of Gold
605 - 539BC




4. MEDIAN-PERSIAN Breast and Arms of Silver
539 - 331BC




5. GRECIAN Belly and thighs of Brass
331 - 168BC




6. ROMAN Legs of Iron
168BC - 476AD The Republic
800AD - 1806 Holy Roman Empire









Revived Roman Empire in two parts=United nations.

7. NAZI (Iron Mixed with Clay Pt 1.)
The Scattered: “and when he comes, he must continue a short space.” And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.” Rev 17:10,11


8. US/U.N. (U.S. as Catalysts Pt2) N.W.O.
The Strong: “ and the ten horns which you saw are ten Kings which have received no kingdom as yet; but received power as Kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast” Rev 17: 12,13 Empires 7 and 8are both the complete Revived Roman Empire in two parts opposed yet ultimately the same of Dan 2:41 “And whereas you saw the feet and the toes, part of potters clay, and part of Iron, The Kingdom shall BE DIVIDED ...so shall the Kingdom be partly strong and partly broken.”

You can see the picture and all here.

www.echoesofenoch.org...

I urge you to visit my post on the 7 revivals of the Roman Empire. Nebb's dream consisted of the empires from Babylon and forward.... note of the empires before his so Egypt and Assyrian are out of the question with the book of Daniel. Read my new post which I linked above. The legs of iron are the Roman Republic or Pagan Rome. The iron mixed with clay are the 7 revivals of Rome under the influence of the Pope and the RCC. All of these empires were in the european regions and why should the 7th be any different? Don't you find it odd about the EU? America is in the midst of seeing it's demise right now so NYC is out of the question.

reply to post by Locoman8


That little voice in side of me tells me it isn't the Catholic Church or Rome. I've yet to find that little voice is wrong.

Daniel 2
en.wikipedia.org...

When all else fails turn to wiki.

If you notice there are not seven parts of the statue in nebbs dream. Yet rev 17 talks of 7. So the two of the empires had to come before the head for rev 17.

Do you like the statue of liberty?

Symbolism
The classical appearance (Roman stola, sandals, facial expression) derives from Libertas, ancient Rome's goddess of freedom from slavery, oppression, and tyranny. Her raised right foot is on the move. This symbol of Liberty and Freedom is not standing still or at attention in the harbor, it is moving forward, as her left foot tramples broken shackles at her feet, in symbolism of the United States' wish to be free from oppression and tyranny.[11] Since the 1940s, it has been claimed that the seven spikes on the crown epitomize the Seven Seas and seven continents.[12] Her torch signifies enlightenment. The tablet in her hand represents knowledge and shows the date of the United States Declaration of Independence, in roman numerals, July IV, MDCCLXXVI. The general appearance of the statue’s head approximates the Greek Sun-god Apollo or the Roman Sun-god Helios as preserved on an ancient marble tablet (today in the Archaeological Museum of Corinth, Corinth, Greece) - Apollo was represented as a solar deity, dressed in a similar robe and having on its head a "radiate crown" with the seven spiked rays of the Helios-Apollo's sun rays, like the Statue's nimbus or halo. The ancient Colossus of Rhodes, one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, was a statue of Helios with a radiate crown. The Colossus is referred to in the 1883 sonnet The New Colossus by Emma Lazarus. Lazarus' poem was later engraved on a bronze plaque and mounted inside the Statue of Liberty in 1903.

The statue, also known affectionately as "Miss Liberty" (and "Lady Liberty"), has become a symbol of freedom and liberty. Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi also created another "Lady Liberty" which is displayed in Paris, France.

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Ishtar was called the goddess of personal freedom and liberty(she sounds like lady liberty)

This may help you understand my point on words and translations. I barrowed this not my wording..the grammer is way better than mine lol.

The word "mountain" which we see in the King James Version refers to the original Greek word "hora". The most scholarly of Greek lexicons tell us that the word in its most basic form refers to a large land mass. It usually was used for mountains. But it could also refer to a desert. Deserts are flat. What does this have to do with the idea that Rome is being referred to? The answer is that most other newer English translations use the word "hill". Strong's Concordance dictionary does mention it in passing because elsewhere the KJV sometimes uses "hill" in reference to that Greek word "hora".

There was a different word in the Greek language that was generally used for "hill". It was the word "bounos". This word was actually a word of Roman origination. The Romans used this word exclusively for the 7 hills of Rome. The Greeks simply had borrowed this word from the Romans. Thus in the first century AD, anyone who was writing in the Greek and referred to Rome's 7 hills would use the word "bounos". To use any other word, like "hora" would be inaccurate. The Greeks and Romans both used the word "bounos" exclusively in referring to the 7 hills of Rome.

Why would the Holy Spirit choose the word 'hora' instead of bounos if He were referring to Rome? The obvious answer was that the Holy Spirit was NOT referring to Rome. He was referring to something completely different than the city of Rome. Thus, we find a major flaw exposed in the theory of not only Rome as Mystery Babylon, but also it is a flaw for those proponents contending that Mystery Babylon (whether of just chapter 17 or of 17/18) is the Roman Catholic Church.