The truth about "Thief in the night" and the Great Harlot of Revelation

reply to post by 12.21.12


I don't know how it is in other countries but when I was growing up here the whore was always associated with the street corner. I've not really noticed but to banks and financial instutions set on street corners over here?

reply to post by whiterider

Would you happen to have any good sites about the nephilim?

Originally posted by napayshni57
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Would you happen to have any good sites about the nephilim?

just turn on the TV, most of their children are in the media............or in congress..........err.........the whitehouse............

reply to post by heliosprime


Do you believe the nephilim are also behind all these ufo sightings? Do you believe thats part of prophecy in the bible also? Do you think thats part of the end times also?

I know these secret societies goes on in the background. George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush were both members of the Skull & Bones which is an offshoot of the Illuminati and Freemasons. I think what you're talking about refers to the "dragon, that serpent of old called Satan" which sways the beast and false messiah to rule the citizens of the world. I think the endtime beast used by Satan's army will be the EU because they will be in position to rule monitarily and militarily at that time. Plus, you mentioned the Vatican and who rules the Vatican? The Pope does and I've called b.s. on the Roman Catholic Church for a long time now because of their pagan rituals and bloody history. They are centered in Rome and Rome is really the epicenter Europe and the European Union surrounds the ancient boundries of the Roman Empire. So your assessment of the secret societies does hold weight with what I'm saying as well. It's all about world domination.

reply to post by Locoman8


Locoman8, you are the man. This thread is older, but still cool.
This thread is great. Well-thought and thought provoking.
All the evils with catholicism are true. We all know it. No one wants to admit it. Sometimes I wish people would just listen and stop arguing.

reply to post by havok


That's what I keep saying. Thanks for understanding. This was the very first thread I ever started on ATS and I am happy to see that it's my most flagged and starred thread. I'm happy that people enjoy the conversation, whatever side you're on. I know there are different opinions out there but I also know some people haven't viewed this stuff in the light that I view it. That's my whole purpose here. Shine the light on a different perspective for people to see.

I notice that this thread has not received any replies for some time but I really feel that the way that it has been concluded leaves a lot to be desired and so for any who might come here in the future this is my reply.
I have just gone through this whole thread and have seen many confused statements. I hope that this reply will help to shed a little light on the issues mentioned. Originally the question was 2 fold, so first I will address the thief in the night.
There is a common word that is used through out scripture that is most often missed. It is the word BUT. This word very often negates the former statement and it is so with the thief in the night. In the book of acts Jesus told the disciples that it was not for them to know the times and the seasons for the Father has kept this in his power, He then said BUT you will receive power when the Holy Ghost comes upon you and you will be my witnesses throughout the earth.
In Thessalonian Paul said you know perfectly well that the Lord comes as a thief in the night BUT we are not of the night we are of the day we are not of the darkness we are of the light that that day should overtake us as a thief.
When giving the parable of the man whose house was broken into Jesus said if the man had known what hour the thief would have come he would not have suffered. Peter in 2nd Peter 1:19 said we should study prophecy as light that shines in a dark place until the day dawn and the morning star arise in our hearts.
In the parable of the 10 virgins the 5 wise had oil in their lamps. The oil gave them light. The foolish had no oil to give them light.
Rev 3 tells us that if we will not watch he will come as a thief and we will not know at what hour he will come upon us.
It should be clear that only those who seek the truth, study prophecy and watch the signs will be raptured. The rest are foolish.
It is imperative that we study prophecy if we are to overcome the religious and unbelieving arguments that come are way. This thread should make that obvious.
Who is the Great Harlot of Rev. 17? It is the Catholic Church and is not NYCity. Read the chapter again and look out into the world and you will see who the Harlot is. First understand that fornication in this case is not speaking of sex but of spirit. Hosea 4:11 tels us that whoredom, wine and new wine take away the heart. This means that blending God word which is wine, revelation which is new wine with the doctrines of other religions will prevent one from hearing GOD. This only makes sense as GOD speaks in a still small voice to our conscience through his word by bringing it to our remembrance. If we feed our understanding and memory with the teachings of other religions then how can we be guided by only GODs word. This effect is obvious as you read through this thread.
Who or what entity in todays world does ALL of the following?
sits on may waters, reins over the hearts of many of the kings of the world, has caused many to commit the type of whoredom described above, reigns in the hearts of most of the kings of the 10 full member states in the European Union, can be said to dress in scarlet and purple, is adorned in precious jewels and gold and pearls,is drunk with the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus, and sit on 7 hills.
Can you honestly say that the city of New York fits this description? Can you see that the Catholic Church is guilty on all counts? Have you really read any of the prior posts on this thread that claim that the Catholic church is the Harlot?
Since its conception the Popes have been plotting the new world order. Check out this youtube and listen to the whole 9 tapes
www.youtube.com...
Do you think that this woman is making this up?
It is time to wake up.

reply to post by cwhjra


Thank you so much for your addition to the thread. You give a beautiful explanation on both accounts, (theif in the night/Harlot Woman). I think you hit the nail on the head compareing the Roman Catholic Church with New York City and showing how NYC can't fit the bill for the harlot woman. Thanks for breathing new life into this thread. God bless you. Peace.

Originally posted by OptionToChoose
And I thought I was the only one who might end up in an insane asylum behind people misquoting that verse!

I agree, the entire passage must be read to get the intended meaning.

What is baffling to me, tho, is how people can look at this crazy, sick place the world has become, totally confused about it or how to fix it, hear Prophetic Scripture which at least addresses these same unpleasant conditions of our societies, yet reject the study of Prophecy and continue on in confusion. Seems odd, yet the Prophecies also say that this is exactly how people will respond in the last days, tho they see with their own eyes the things which were written long, long ago.

I say whether those texts have a solid beginning or not, their descriptions of our world today are remarkably accurate. Guess that's why "Faith" is required . . .

It's the same people that listen to Lady Gaga nonstop - purchase tickets as soon as she goes on sale so they can be there, too, like all of the other 'sheeple'.

I'm not picking on Gaga - ok, I guess I am ....

I guess I'm speaking of what I consider the "mass general public" - the ones that follow behind without asking the first question.

Those people are the ones that our govvie peeps eat up - they believe anything if it ends in .gov

New movie being heavily promoted? No problem - they will be in line for the first tickets sold, doesn't matter if they even like who's in the movie, or the title.

Nice breakdown of Revelation, Locoman - I, too, think Rome, and its white clad leader, are the bad guys. Time will tell though.

I do believe from this point on, nothing is going to be "business as usual" on our planet again.

Sad - but exciting - and scary.

Originally posted by Locoman8
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Thank you so much for your addition to the thread. You give a beautiful explanation on both accounts, (theif in the night/Harlot Woman). I think you hit the nail on the head compareing the Roman Catholic Church with New York City and showing how NYC can't fit the bill for the harlot woman. Thanks for breathing new life into this thread. God bless you. Peace.

As bad as 911 was, I can't help but think that was a birth pain - for some reason, and I know I'm not the first to say this, I feel that Sept 11, 2001 was the day that God removed His hand of protection from over us. It was just a feeling I had then, and still have. Maybe 911 was the start of the serious birth pains, I don't know.

I just think things are only going to get progressively worse now - and for our future. Almost like the eternal ball is now rolling toward the finish line.

According to others, the next pope will be the last one - and the evil one. And the current pope has already fell and broken a hip - so Heaven help us.

reply to post by nomorecruelty


You know what's freaky? 9-11 may have been part of a dual prophecy. I found this verse in Isaiah that made my heart stop. It's not every day a verse in the bible does that to me.

Isaiah 30:25 (New King James Version)
25 There will be on every high mountain
And on every high hill
Rivers and streams of waters,
In the day of the great slaughter,
When the towers fall.


I know it has another meaning that's shown in the context of chapter 30 but I can't help but compare those words with 9-11. Just my thoughts. Peace.

That is eye opening - and I never thought about a dual prophecy - it's possible.

I think, well, I know rather, there's sooooo much in that Bible, and beyond our universe, that we as humans have no clue - and even if we did, given our human brains, we wouldn't be able to comprehend them.

I used to wonder why everyone always said "Blame the pope" when anything went wrong - and I've heard that for yearsss. I was raised Baptist but after realizing that it's been mankind who has created all of the segregated religions in our society, I usually just tell people I follow God - period.

It is not an easy task...

1 Peter 4:18 (King James Version)

18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

In light of the above verse consider Job and what he went through and ask yourself if you are prepared to go through what he went through, or to suffer as Jesus did?

For me, this puts it into perspective.

reply to post by Siren


Also reminds me of the fact that the Great Tribulation will be endured by everyone.... christians included. The Rapture happens AFTER the great tribulation. I hope everyone is ready to endure it. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

The great tribulation. Now there is a controversy.
Some believe 7 year tribulation. This is easily cast down as imagination.
Others like myself until recently believe 3 1/2 years tribulation. This seams to be obvious, however, I am baffled at the meaning of Daniel 12:11

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The ONLY way I have been able to rightly divide the word including this scripture is to place the abomination that causes desolation at the end of the 7 years, 1290 days from the midst when the sacrifice and oblation is taken away.

There has been a covenant in place since 01/01/2007 and if it is THE covenant, and I believe it is, then for them to place the abomination in the temple in the midst of the 7 years they would have to build the temple within the next 3 months. However, if we accept Daniel 12:11 at face value, which we must do, then there is yet over 3 1/2 years to build the temple.

If the abomination is not set up until 1290 days after the sacrifice and oblation is taken away then when Jesus said when you see the abomination.... in Mat 24:15 and when you see the armies surrounding Jerusalem..... in Luke 21:20 he is talking about the end of the seven years and therefor there are not 3 1/2 years tribulation. In fact the great tribulation does not start until the end of the 7 year covenant.

This begins to make sense when you consider the bowls of wrath must be unleashed after the reign of the beasts. In Daniel 8 we see that from the time the sacrifice is taken away and the sanctuary is cleansed there is 2300 days. That is 6.3 years. With this scripture which is also talking about the last days when the little horn is reigning, we see that there is almost 3 years from the end of the 7 years until the LORD himself returns to set up his kingdom. I believe that the rapture of the main body of Christ will be caught up 1335 days after the sacrifice and oblation is taken away based on Daniel 12:12 or 45 days after the abomination of desolation is set up.

The only scripture that I have seen that causes this to be questionable is Daniel 8:31 where the arms rise up and take away the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination that causes desolation. However, this would not be the first time that a verse has some time involved between one part of it's fulfillment and the other. The 70 weeks of years are a good example. The last week is just finding its fulfillment now. This is actually a fulfillment of Leviticus where he says if Israel does not repent of her sins then he will multiply her sins time 7.

Can anyone clarify this for me, not with tradition but with scripture.

Good thread...glad people are civil and mature....hopefully a good move in the right direction.

I agree pretty much with the OP ideas and interpretations.

I believe that the EU will co-exist with the Catholic Church as ruling entities... Thus one rides the other.
Already, the Catholic Church has pushed Sunday as the official day of worship in Europe....BY LAW. Must be abided by. Further, Germany..the rising player in all of Europe is enforcing it.
Germany will be the dominant power in the EU, and there will be only 10 dominant states...other members, but only 10 dominant states after the developing economic crisis. Germany is positioning itself to fill the vaccum left by the US as we further decline. Germany is the #2 exporter of arms in the world and has been the top supplier of arms to Israel for the last 10 years...not the US.
As the US continues to distance itself from Israel, we will see,ironically, a growing relationship between Germany and Israel...

As to the time.. like a thief in the night...we don't know when Christ will return, BUT we are warned to be ever watchful...our lamps should be trimmed, full, and ready.

"About the time of the end,a body of men will be raised up,who will turn their attention to the prophecies,in the midst of much clamor and opposition."-Sir Isaac Newton

And we,who are called to "Watch!",ought to make the best Conspiracy Theorists,because we have been told what to watch for! (As in,"Ye shall know them by their fruits.")

What gave me a clue was how everything was becoming "globalized",and then looking to see who was behind all this,what their beliefs were,what their agenda was,...

That's when I got interested in politics,but not "politics as usual",not Right vs Left,but instead what was going on with the United Nations and Rome,and how that filters down to the U.S.

This was about midway through 2008,before Obama was elected,and this was the icing on the cake,so to speak,...the dedication page of the "Rules for Radicals" handbook:

"Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."

There is so much that can be learned when you know what to look for,but most people just refuse to believe in the scriptures,and from debates here on this site,I was amazed to find how many people believe that Satan/Lucifer is the good guy!

The thing to really keep an eye on these days is Rome,and I will link to the best site I've ever come across that let's the reader see with their own eyes,the decrees coming from the Catholics own documents.

Rome has infiltrated practically everything,including the Protestant churches,which,thankfully,I have never had any use for. They are doing everything they can to keep people from knowing the truth,especially about the times we're living in. That is why most churches are preaching "social justice" and prosperity,not repentence and humility.
Not only that,Rome is actively calling those who cling to the fundamental Christian beliefs and want to share the gospel as "terrorists". No kidding!

Prophecy is coming true with amazing clarity for those who are "awake" and not "in the dark". I am heartbroken that so many have calloused hearts and do not see the gift of salvation for what it is,and not the "hate" they claim. Sure we want everyone to believe as we do,but we don't do it at the end of a gun! Besides,if a person doesn't pray for God to come into their lives,no amount of preaching will change a thing. (But how can they learn without hearing the gospel?!)

I am not sure about the meaning behind Predestination,though it appears throughout the New Testament,and I am almost inclined to believe that there are some who just cannot come to God for some reason,yet the Bible says God would have us all come to Him.(Anyone care to expand on that idea?)

From the tone of others here and that I talk to,family included,they don't want to hear any of it,and I don't force it. The seperation is just as it was foretold to be. (I just pray for them that much more!)

Anyway,here's the link! www.remnantofgod.org...
Please keep it for future reference! It is invaluable. If there are other such sites,I would like to hear about them.

reply to post by cwhjra


I think you're reading the prophetic days backwards. Your perspective is 1290 days after the 7 year covenant begins. In reality, 1290 days is the amount of days before the return of Christ. The armies surrounding Jerusalem and the Abomination of Desolation are signs for the Church to flee to the wilderness. Check out this thread from my friend. It explains it all.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You know that almost every Christian you talk to says no-one can put a date of the Lords coming or the rapture. Is this scriptural based on what we have discussed about the thief in the night? I don't believe it is. I also don't believe some Christians will go through the great tribulation. And as I have mentioned above, I no longer believe in a 3 1/2 year tribulation. The great tribulation may not begin until the 7 years are over based on Daniel 12:11

Here is my reasoning.

For those who won't put out the effort to seek the truth regarding prophecy it is true that the Lord will come as a thief in he night. But for those who are watching the signs and studying the prophecy as light that shines in a dark place until the morning star arises in their hearts there is the added blessing of knowing the day that the Lord will come and they will not be caught in the night unaware. These will also be kept from the hour of temptation that will come upon the world to test them.

Here is a timeline that I see as the approximate. Please correct me with scripture if I am wrong.

I am convinced that the ENPI that was signed on Jan 1/2007 is the 7 year covenant because it fulfills the scripture to a tee. So based on this date we should see the sacrifice and oblation stopped near the end of June of this year 2010. Now the fact that Daniel 9:27 says that the sacrifice will be stopped in the MIDST of the 7 and not the middle of the seven prevents us from seeing the date of the rapture or the second coming. The word midst is defined by Webster as a period of time about the middle of a continuing act or condition (in the midst of a meal). However, once that event has taken place I believe the word tells us exactly when the abomination will be set up, the rapture of the main body of Christ will take place and the exact day when Jesus will return with the saints to begin his millennial reign.

Daniel 12/11 reads- And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Thats 1290 days. Based on the sacrifice and oblation taken away on June 30, 2010 this would place the abomination set in the temple on February 11/2014. (Remember that the word midst above may change this date but the new date will be able to be seen as soon as the abomination is taken away)

Dan 12:12 reads- Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Thats 1335 days from the day that the sacrifice is taken away is a blessed day. There is no evidence given as to what that day entails to be a blessed day but based on Mathew 24:15- 31 I would have to say that it is the rapture of Mat 24:31. There is no other day that I can see would be declared as a blessed day and being 45 days after the abomination is set up it gives us 45 days for the great tribulation to begin to unfold. That is surely enough time for the few things that are described between Mat 24:15 to 31 to take place. This is the fleeing of the Jews and the asteroid hit of Rev 8. So 45 days after the abomination is set up would be March 26/2014

Then there is Dan 8:13 which reads- Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

This most definitely is speaking of Jesus return to set up his kingdom and would land on Sept 18th/2016 again based on the sacrifice being removed on June 30/2010 which is not yet a definite date.

During the time between the rapture around March 26/2014 and the temple cleansing on about Sept 18/2016 the pit will be opened clearing the way for the beast to ascend and set up a temporary rule of 5 months and the bowls.