FBI Sets up Fake Child Porn Links That if Clicked Trigger Armed Raids on Users

reply to post by Realtruth


Yeah, these things can potentially happen, there's a low chance that they would, but they could, nevertheless, an individual could also easily be framed for a number of other crimes.

There is no perfect law enforcement method but that is not an excuse to do nothing.

Those people trapped on TV (FAKE) were all let go on technicalities.

If they go to trial, it probably won't stick.

What jury will convict if chosen right.. do you have a home computer
and have DSL or higher... your OK.

ED: Oh, this is probably FAKE news as well.



[edit on 3/24/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

[edit on 3/24/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


Why would you say this is fake?

Agreed, but if the government ruins lives of innocent people and the pedo's are only getting jail sentences, then they are release after a couple of years, big deal.

The true innocent are branded for life now, strapped with legal fees, proving they are innocent. This is not the law.

Average legal fees to retain a lawyer for a major crime like this is $10,000, then comes $50,000 more for the duration. How many can afford this?

I think they should execute repeat pedos publicly. I bet that would lower the numbers of incidents.

Originally posted by sharpest
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Yeah, these things can potentially happen, there's a low chance that they would, but they could, nevertheless, an individual could also easily be framed for a number of other crimes.

There is no perfect law enforcement method but that is not an excuse to do nothing.

[edit on 24-3-2008 by Realtruth]

reply to post by Realtruth


You've got this all wrong. The worst thing that would happen is that the FBI would raid your house for no reason. You wouldn't go to jail. The FBI has to find effectively a treasure trove of evidence, most possibly on your computer in the form of downloaded porn, to have a good enough case to convict against you.

reply to post by sharpest


It is true as computer cop goes into chat forums and acts underage
to capture date makers.

I wonder how those trials held up.

With all the NSA and internet whois the porn originators can't be
shut down and leave it to the news stands.

ED: A lot of news, especially on the net looks fake.
A real operation on fake porn links... who dreamed that one up..
its like ET copy from Intel.


[edit on 3/24/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

That is what I was saying in my earlier post. A computer can be easily hacked by a trogan or a port the is open and used a a host computer or server.

Some dumb ass would never even know they were being used until the Feds were knocking on the door or breaking it down.

The Feds would have tons of evidence, but then the poor bastard that didn't know his computer was compromised what be in deep legal $hit, not to mention legal bills and his life ruined.

Originally posted by sharpest
reply to post by Realtruth

 

You've got this all wrong. The worst thing that would happen is that the FBI would raid your house for no reason. You wouldn't go to jail. The FBI has to find effectively a treasure trove of evidence, most possibly on your computer in the form of downloaded porn, to have a good enough case to convict against you.

It seems to be that it is not where the user ends up in this case that matters but how they arrived at the final location. The FBI is setting up fake links and fake sites. I don't think there can be a case where someone else sets up a fake link on another page that directs a user to the FBI porn computer. The user has to click through the FBI's own setup of fake links and then arrive on a site that the user believes contains child porn. If a user ends up on the fake child porn site from another link the trace of an IP address will show that fact.

For example the FBI's computer tracking IP addresses will show them your entire internet movement history. It will show them that you arrived on website D by clicking website A and then link B and then link C and then finally link D - and all of those websites and links are FBI. There really is not any false positives when all the links belong to the FBI. They can determine where the user comes from when they enter a website.

The only problem that I can see is proving exactly who was at the computer or controlling the computer at the time of the crime. In most cases I'm sure that problem will be pretty cut and dry but there could be some gray areas that are harder to determine.

If not fake, lets see the links used as bait.

Put http and the rest, you got as fake link.

thiswaytoillegalporn

Yeah, that will do it.


ED: leave out the http, right

ED+: Then the government uses a non government ips?
Just block gov ips and you will not get fake porn links.
Go for the 911 wiggle girls and not the counter intelligence real porn 911.






[edit on 3/24/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

[edit on 3/24/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



You're right. I make links in emails often just we make links in threads here at ATS. One can use any word or phrase like "Cool new DVD releases!" and have the link embedded in the phrase. The person clicking has no way of knowing the true destination of the link without either clicking it or copying to view it before clicking it, or viewing the link in their browsers Status Bar.

Originally posted by zerotime
It seems to be that it is not where the user ends up in this case that matters but how they arrived at the final location. The FBI is setting up fake links and fake sites. I don't think there can be a case where someone else sets up a fake link on another page that directs a user to the FBI porn computer. The user has to click through the FBI's own setup of fake links and then arrive on a site that the user believes contains child porn. If a user ends up on the fake child porn site from another link the trace of an IP address will show that fact.

For example the FBI's computer tracking IP addresses will show them your entire internet movement history. It will show them that you arrived on website D by clicking website A and then link B and then link C and then finally link D - and all of those websites and links are FBI. There really is not any false positives when all the links belong to the FBI. They can determine where the user comes from when they enter a website.

The only problem that I can see is proving exactly who was at the computer or controlling the computer at the time of the crime. In most cases I'm sure that problem will be pretty cut and dry but there could be some gray areas that are harder to determine.

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[edit on 24-3-2008 by elevatedone]

These facts are flawed.

Do you know how many times the FBI and the CIA are hacked?

IP's can be faked, spoofed, hidden etc, because they can't even find the people hacking into their servers.

With the advent of wireless these people can hack into many open routers all around publicly. Heck some people and public environments leave their wireless open for all 24/7

Now who's IP is being used?

They would have to catch the person red handed with material printed up, etc......

To many flaws

Originally posted by zerotime

For example the FBI's computer tracking IP addresses will show them your entire internet movement history. It will show them that you arrived on website D by clicking website A and then link B and then link C and then finally link D - and all of those websites and links are FBI. There really is not any false positives when all the links belong to the FBI. They can determine where the user comes from when they enter a website.

The only problem that I can see is proving exactly who was at the computer or controlling the computer at the time of the crime. In most cases I'm sure that problem will be pretty cut and dry but there could be some gray areas that are harder to determine.

This GPS inter net deal just sounds all wet.

But what is interesting, Google probably knows where you live.

Why is government doing something that is already in existence.

The net knows every one.

reply to post by Realtruth


What if, what if, what if? What if a cop misses while shooting due to a gun malfunction at a gunman and hits a bystander. Should he have never fired in the first place?

Originally posted by Sri Oracle
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reply to post by Areal51


Great. If I agree with the FBI on this occasion, even though I will disagree with them at other times, I am a sheep. Well what about the choruses of "I agree!" going on throughout this thread?

this is too big a set up.....

you could easily copy the link, an set a image for free music or ringtones and use that link as the link you would goto if you clicked on the free music or ringtone pic, pretty lame imo...

What ever happened to Hacking.... Spyderbots search for pics something other then entrap some people who are clicking a link, go after the people making the porn rather then the people watching it, lol

just like going after drug users an not the drug makers or sellers....

Bad Joo Joo on the FBIs part.

reply to post by Trance Optic


That possibility has been debunked earlier in thread.


Originally posted by zerotime
It seems to be that it is not where the user ends up in this case that matters but how they arrived at the final location. The FBI is setting up fake links and fake sites. I don't think there can be a case where someone else sets up a fake link on another page that directs a user to the FBI porn computer. The user has to click through the FBI's own setup of fake links and then arrive on a site that the user believes contains child porn. If a user ends up on the fake child porn site from another link the trace of an IP address will show that fact.

For example the FBI's computer tracking IP addresses will show them your entire internet movement history. It will show them that you arrived on website D by clicking website A and then link B and then link C and then finally link D - and all of those websites and links are FBI. There really is not any false positives when all the links belong to the FBI. They can determine where the user comes from when they enter a website.

The only problem that I can see is proving exactly who was at the computer or controlling the computer at the time of the crime. In most cases I'm sure that problem will be pretty cut and dry but there could be some gray areas that are harder to determine.



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[edit on 24-3-2008 by elevatedone]

Originally posted by Realtruth
To many flaws

I would not argue that there are not flaws but what plan does not have flaws? I would argue that there are not "too many flaws" to make these sting operations work.

If a person is at work or on vacation when their computer at home is surfing child porn then they are going to be able to prove that they were not at the computer during the time of the crime.

I own several websites and all of them have very basic monitoring software. Take ATS for example. I'm sure ATS has software installed that shows the webmaster exactly where each user clicks in from and where they go when they exit this website. My website monitoring software is basic but it will tell me what links a user clicked, how long they spent on certain pages, where they came from, where they were going, what web browser they used, computer operating software, information on their computer system, etc.

I can imagine that the FBI's monitoring systems are much better than my free monitoring software.

Ask the webmasters of ATS exactly what they know about each visitor to this website. I'm guessing many of you might be shocked by what an average website can monitor.

There are services for just that, that ive seen ATS on, they go you all on lock dizzzle. some are free too.

how about using someone elses proxy......

will that show it was them or that person who owns that proxy.... not hard to surf under fasle flags anymore, not to mention the host of ip hiding soft there is.

I understand some are going to be caught but, what about the others using someone elses ip addy? ....



[edit on 24-3-2008 by Trance Optic]