Pentagon DNA Evidence....Is it Possible?

reply to post by ULTIMA1


So then it is your belief the govt and dna experts lied then...when they reported 184 of 189 victims identified by Nov 16th 2001.

Not sure why you feel they needed to lie....you havent posted any evidence to state why they would need to lie.



[edit on 20-3-2008 by Disclosed]

Originally posted by Disclosed
So then it is your belief the govt and dna experts lied then...when they reported 184 of 189 victims identified by Nov 16th 2001.

No, just did not do a DNA testing for a investigation. It was just to please the families.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

No, just did not do a DNA testing for a investigation. It was just to please the families.

Interesting fact....what evidence do you have of this? Or is this just your opinion. I'd like to see where it said the Nov 16th identification date was just to please the families...

Originally posted by Disclosed
Interesting fact....what evidence do you have of this? Or is this just your opinion. I'd like to see where it said the Nov 16th identification date was just to please the families...

I gave you the evidence in the sites i have posted.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I gave you the evidence in the sites i have posted.

On the sites you posted, I dont see any reference to what I just asked.

Can you please post the statement saying they only releasd the information about the 185 of 189 bodies identified....to please the families?

So has anyone ever seen these bodies to know if they are plane related or just bodies of Pentagon employee's. I would say as others have, if they were plane related, then DNA evidence would have burnt up along with the so called missing plan that were told slammed in to the Pentagon.

If the government wants to put an end to the conspiricy, all they need do is start producing credable evidence for public viewing. Of course they wont, cause it does not exist and they would sight that we could not stomach it. But then, they could show us anything and state it was from the plane and well we would buy it.

I don't buy it and wont that easy. That is my opinion.

Hi Guys.... in my new job, my computer has filters that does not allow me to access MANY websites. (this one included)


First of all. Ultima. Not to be rude, but you need to learn how to read. You also need to read things that may not fit your theory.

There was already new DNA testing that had not been used. It was introduced for the WTC and Pentagon. This new testing did not identify many of the victims at the WTC. This is why it was asked "FOR THE WTC" to develope an even more advanced DNA process.

You say the government fakes it to "please the families." Interesting. First of all you have zero evidence that this is true. More importantly....

Do you have any idea what one person was NOT identified from flight 77?
IF you are going to "please" the families..

Dana Falkenberg, a 3 year old little girl. She died with her mom, dad, and 8 year old brother. Don't you think the grandparents and other relatives would have been "pleased" to have something to bury along with the rest of this family?


Many people ask "I want proof that the DNA was from the passengers." of "Where are the pictures?" These statements are pure BS. Did any of you request back in 1986 (if you were old enough) for pictures of Christa McCauliff's corpse from the space shuttle Challenger?

Did anyone ask for DNA evidence of the bodies that were found in Mississipppi or New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina?

These victims and their families are entitled to the same privacy that you I have. I don't care if a conspiracy theorist does not believe that my family member did not perished during a gruesome attack.

Ultima, other. If you bothered to read what has been posted and what other information is out there. There would be little if ANY question as to the procedures that were followed in the search and identfication of the victims of Flight 77. More importantly, it was done with dignity for those who lost their lives.

Think Ultima...and others that want photos or whatever. What if it were your Mother, Father, wife,husband, son, daughter.... would you want pictures of their body plastered on the internet for all to see??

When JFK Jr. died off of Cape Cod several years ago, during his autopsy his uncle Ted. (yes the fat old drunk) was there the entire time to ensure that there weren't any photographs taken of his nephew's body. He didn't want them plastered on scum bag websites like -------------------------. It was done professionaly and privatley. His brother JFK's autopsy photos are everywhere. That is pure filth.

Not one person in the many pages of this thread has even showed one shred of evidence that the DNA process was flawed in anyway.





[edit on 20-3-2008 by CaptainObvious]

Here is an interesting story from 1999:

The Swissair McDonnell Douglas MD-11 caught fire in flight, for reasons not yet determined, and virtually disintegrated when it hit the water some 40 miles south of Halifax, Nova Scotia. Yet because of modern engineering and science, including what Canadian officials say is the largest use of DNA testing thus far, about 90 percent of the recovered remains were identified. The family of every victim was given at least a fragment to honor in individual ceremonies, as their feelings or religious traditions dictated.

query.nytimes.com...


ok guys we have a plane that cought fire and nearly disintegrated..... and you see the results of the identification process.

any questions?

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Not one person in the many pages of this thread has even showed one shred of evidence that the DNA process was flawed in anyway.

Other than the possibility that it could have been tampered with. No, no one has.

reply to post by Griff


Griff... aliens "could have" had a hand in all this. Lets look more at the "probability." This site is denying ignorance.

I'd like your thoughts on my previous thread from the article in 1999.

C.O.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
You say the government fakes it to "please the families." Interesting. First of all you have zero evidence that this is true.....

You need to learn to read.

I never stated the government faked anything. The government rushed the indetification of the bodies for the famlies, before the new DNA testing was completed (as proven in sites i have posted).

If the official story is correct and if terrorist did this then these scenes would be crime scenes and the identification should have been done to meet the standards of a criminal investigation. (which means the use of the new DNA testing on all the bodies)

And we still do not have any evidence to show the bodies from the planes were even in the buildings.


[edit on 21-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Griff... aliens "could have" had a hand in all this. Lets look more at the "probability." This site is denying ignorance.

This site is also about conspiracies. Since most of us think there is something to the conspiracy, then the probability that it could have been tampered with comes up.

Get me a record of the chain of custody and we could put that question to rest.

Do you have that information?

If not, how can you claim as fact that it wasn't?

reply to post by ULTIMA1


I can read just fine....

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
So then it is your belief the govt and dna experts lied then...when they reported 184 of 189 victims identified by Nov 16th 2001.

No, just did not do a DNA testing for a investigation. It was just to please the families.

Try reading what you posted. It appears to me that you are stating that there wasn't any DNA testing.

You also claim that there was not a new DNA testing method done....when in your own link states that there was.

reply to post by Griff


Agreed Griff that this is a conpisracy site.

I will try to get the entire collection process to place here. Not sure if I will get to it today.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
You also claim that there was not a new DNA testing method done....when in your own link states that there was.

But only AFTER the listings of bodies identified had come out. (listings were out in 2001, the new testing was not completed until 2002)

So how do we know for sure those listings are correct if the new testing was not done before the listings came out?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
But only AFTER the listings of bodies identified had come out. (listings were out in 2001, the new testing was not completed until 2002)

So how do we know for sure those listings are correct if the new testing was not done before the listings came out?

Can you show us one example of the listing being incorrect? Otherwise your complain is moot.

Also, when will you post that link where it stated they only released that listing to "please the families"?

Originally posted by Disclosed
Also, when will you post that link where it stated they only released that listing to "please the families"?

Well if you knew anything about crime scenes you would know that the list of identifications would not have came out untill proper testing was done as per a criminal investigation.

The lists comming out that fast only means that they were just trying to please the families, and not doing a criminal investigsation.

Which brings up the point that the FBI only worked the Pentagon crime scene for 5 days, i would hope a the FBI would take more time working a major terrorist attack/crime scene.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Ultima,

If the governmnet, FBI, local officials were unsure of what caused the destruction of the Pentagon, you would see a much stronger presence of investigators. You see the entire world knows what happened. (minus a few CT ers) The mission at the Pentagon was a search and rescue and then a revoery mission.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
The mission at the Pentagon was a search and rescue and then a revoery mission.

Please try to do some research before posting. Also you have no idea what happened that day because ther eis lots of evidence that has not been released.

By law anytime a aircraft crash is considered a crime the FBI is lead investigator and conducts a criminal investigation with help from the NTSB.

Thing is they were there 5 days after stating it would take a month.

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.



WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

[edit on 21-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well if you knew anything about crime scenes you would know that the list of identifications would not have came out untill proper testing was done as per a criminal investigation.

The lists comming out that fast only means that they were just trying to please the families, and not doing a criminal investigsation.

So that is your opinion, and not backed up by any facts, correct?