Pentagon DNA Evidence....Is it Possible?

Originally posted by Disclosed
So that is your opinion, and not backed up by any facts, correct?

The facts are from the dates on the ID list BEFORE the date of the new DNA testing.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Ultima...

In the several pages of posts, all you have done is contradicted yourself. Please provide the evidence that shows the government was involved in ANY type of a cover up.

And i find it pretty sad that you didnt even comment on the other airline crash that I posted about a plane being vaporized...yet all victims were identified.

And you also failed to respond to the fact that you stated the government faked the DNA evidence.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
So that is your opinion, and not backed up by any facts, correct?

The facts are from the dates on the ID list BEFORE the date of the new DNA testing.

But you have no proof that any of the identifications of the 184 fo 189 victims identified by Nov 16th 2001 was wrong.

Do you have proof any were wrong?

Originally posted by CaptainObviousAnd you also failed to respond to the fact that you stated the government faked the DNA evidence.

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I will answer when you learn to read and post that i did not state the government faked the DNA evidnece.

Stop trying to twist my statements or put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by DisclosedDo you have proof any were wrong?

Do you have any proof all were correct?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
So then it is your belief the govt and dna experts lied then...when they reported 184 of 189 victims identified by Nov 16th 2001.

No, just did not do a DNA testing for a investigation. It was just to please the families.

You are stating HERE that the govt. DID NOT do DNA testing ...that it was just to please the families...

Please explain yourself Ultima.

[edit on 21-3-2008 by CaptainObvious]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Do you have any proof all were correct?

Apparently the govt and DNA experts said the data was complete...so yes.

So you are sayng they could not identify these victims until after 2002?

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www.vaed.uscourts.gov...



[edit on 21-3-2008 by Disclosed]

reply to post by ULTIMA1


you are the one claiming they are not real... you are the accuser. YOU have to prove it. There has already been countless posts here showing how the DNA was collected and analyzied. You refuse to read it.

Time for YOU to show how the collection process was somehow flawed. By stating the FBI was involved for only 5 days does not cut it. If you bothered to read anything, you wold already know who was doing the collections and identifications.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
You are stating HERE that the govt. DID NOT do DNA testing ...that it was just to please the families...

I stated they DID NOT do DNA testing FOR AN INVESTIGATION.

I did not say they did not do DNA testing.

Please read post before posting and do not try to twist what i post.


[edit on 21-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I stated they DID NOT do DNA testing FOR AN INVESTIGATION.

I did not say they didnot do DNA testing.

Please read post before posting and do not try to twist what i post.

[edit on 21-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

So...it was called Operation Noble Eagle investigations because....why?

A multidisciplinary team of more than 50 forensic specialists, scientists, and support personnel from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, with headquarters at Walter Reed, played a major role in Operation Noble Eagle investigations, officials said.

www.dcmilitary.com...

Originally posted by Disclosed
So...it was called Operation Noble Eagle investigations because....why?

So what does it being called have anything to do with the facts of when the list came out and when the new testing was complete?

Please stay on topic.

[edit on 21-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So what does it being called have anything to do with the facts of when the list came out and when the new testing was complete?

Please stay on topic.

You said they did not do DNA testing for an INVESTIGATION.

The link I posted proves you are incorrect.

Completely on topic.

reply to post by Disclosed


Good find Disclosed.....


Here is a Web Site for that:

www.afip.org...

Operation Noble Eagle:
AFIP Responds to September 11th
Pentagon Attack

Code-named "Operation Noble Eagle," AFIP’s team of forensic pathologists, odontologists, a forensic anthropologist, DNA experts, investigators and support personnel worked for over two weeks at the Dover Air Force Base Port Mortuary at Dover, Delaware to identify the 188 victims of the attack. "Our staff represented every branch of the service," said AFIP Director Glenn N. Wagner, CAPT, MC, USN, who served as senior officer during the operation.


The investigation mobilized AFIP assets in many ways. During the hours immediately following the crash of American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon, the acting Armed Forces Medical Examiner, Abubkr Marzouk, Col, USAF, MC, began working with FBI and local Virginia law enforcement officials to create an effective plan for first recovering and then identifying the victims. At the same time, personnel from the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner (OAFME) positioned and staged equipment to begin operations at Dover. Bruce Ensign, LCDR, MC, USN, served as AFIP’s team leader at the site. "We immediately called in regional medical examiners from as far away as San Diego to participate," he said. A total of 12 forensic pathologists, assisted by two AFIP staff pathologists, headed the OAFME investigation team.

Good Stuff





[edit on 21-3-2008 by CaptainObvious]

More information regarding those from Operation Noble Eagle:

Our success in identifying 184 Pentagon victims-and all 40 Pennsylvania victims-was due largely to our extensive experience in mass fatality incident processing, and in our ability to use comprehensive pathology assets in other AFIP departments. In all, more than 100 AFIP personnel took part in Operation Noble Eagle. Their work is really a tribute to a "tried and tested" system that we have refined and improved upon over the years.

AFIP and Department of Defense's multidisciplinary, multicasualty incident processing system had its origins following the March 1977 collision between two 747s in Tenerife, Canary Islands, that killed 582. In November 1978, our staff led the medicolegal investigation of the Jonestown, Guyana cult deaths in which 912 died, and in December 1985, we identified the 256 victims (including 248 members of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division), killed in the Gander, Newfoundland air disaster.


These and other major investigations helped prepare our team of veteran forensic specialists to conduct its work following September 11. The September 11 investigation mobilized AFIP assets in many ways. In the immediate hours afterwards, our senior forensic staff worked with Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and local Virginia law enforcement officials to create an effective plan for recovering and identifying the victims while preserving the crime scene evidence. At the same time, personnel from the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner positioned and staged equipment to begin operations at Dover. We called in regional medical examiners from as far away as San Diego, California to participate, along with forensic scientists from Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory and oral pathologists from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology.

Originally posted by Disclosed
The link I posted proves you are incorrect.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Operation Noble Eagle:

I see no where on the link you provided a crime scene investigation report on if and where th bodies were in the buidlings, and that the IDs were verified with the new testing.





[edit on 22-3-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I see no where on the link you provided a crime scene investigation report on if and where th bodies were in the buidlings, and that the IDs were verified with the new testing.

READ THIS ULTIMA:

The September 11 investigation mobilized AFIP assets in many ways. In the immediate hours afterwards, our senior forensic staff worked with Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and local Virginia law enforcement officials to create an effective plan for recovering and identifying the victims while preserving the crime scene evidence. At the same time, personnel from the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner positioned and staged equipment to begin operations at Dover. We called in regional medical examiners from as far away as San Diego, California to participate, along with forensic scientists from Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory and oral pathologists from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology.

Ultima... I have posted SEVERAL different sources to show how the collection process was done, who was invovled, what types od DNA testing was done.

I have posted statements from civilians that were on the scene.

You are not reading anything I have posted. This is not my fault.

I am afraid if you were even shown the bodies or even video of the actualy recovery mission you would say its fake.

Your mind has been made up and no amount of evidence is going to change that. You are in the No Planer group and you are happy there. Have fun

Captain why do you keep quoting bogus rubbish, the crime scenes were preserved oh really. Both crime scenes were conntaminated from day one with the evidence being cleared at a rate that defies all logic if ones quest is to find the evidence to the crime.

The facts are that at both the twin towers and the Pentagon work was started to clear the sites asap therefore denying any investigation team first hand knowledge of the sites and evidence.

In any other situation the crime scene is completely sealed and not touched till forensic teams can gather evidence. This did not happen at these sites every man and his dog had access and therefore sufficient time to compromise the sites either by accident or by design.

The haste in which these sites were cleared is evidence that the real perps did not want the real evidence to be found. In reality such sites would not have been cleared for months till every grain of evidence could be found yet this did not happen. Evidence at both sites that could have revealed evidence of explosives or anything else was cleared, sold for scrap or dumped in landfill sites. Does that sound like the way to investigate a crime especially one of this magnitude.

The real question is why do people such as you really want to believe the so called official story. Why is it so important that you cannot bring yourself to believe that your Goverment cold have been complicit in these events. Again history is relpete with such actions yet people such as you are blind to the truths and reality. What is it that you feel the need for such beliefs, would it bring your World crashing down if you were told the truth.

That you are willing to believe in alleged facts when it is known that the so called evidence from these sites has been grossly contaminated and therefore castes suspicion on the alleged evidence gathered makes your position untenable.

Evidence from crimes scenes so compromised such as these would and could not ever be used in law to prove a fact of an event or truth. You omit the theory that if there were passengersd on the planes they could have been killed elsewhere and DNA evidence gathered from the persons to be later used as so called evidence.

The pictures of burnt bodies at the Pentagon does not mean that there were bodies at the Pentagon. They are just pictures of burnt bodies and nothing more. Pictures are not proof positive of time, place or event.

It is interseting to note that within minutes of these attacks we had so called witnesess and others who told us that it was terrorist attacks, done by AL Qaeda, the planes brought the towers down, etc, a whole raft of information literally within minutes of the attacks. That tells me that people were reading from a script.

And is it not strange that whilst America and the Goverment were in a blind panic of who did what and when less than 24 hours later I was watching Tony Blair tell the Uk that ALQaeda was responsible for this act. Just exactly how the hell did he know who was behind it whilst America knew nothing and was in shock. Blair was telling the World who was behind the attacks. Where do you think the slogans standing shoulder to shoulder and the fight against the war on terrorism came from, out of Blairs mouth so who told hinm what was happening before anyone else knew.

If you look at the case look at all the evidence and not just what happened in the US. The evidence is spread over a wide area and you have to look at it all . To base your beliefs from just one aspect is wrong, you have to look outside the box for there is evididence of conniving and complicity elsewhere

reply to post by magicmushroom


I'm curious how many people you think are in on your conspiracy theory? I mean seriously...hundreds? thousands? Is everyone covering it up? People plantings DNA? explosives?

How many people need to be involved for your theory to be plausible?

D, in excess of 50% of the American public alone think the US Goverment were involved with 9/11 so thats 150mil just in America. How many people do you think it takes?. Hey but dont believe me just ignore history, I mean no Goverment or its leaders have killed their own people before have they. Hitler never burned the Reichstag, Lenin and Stalin never had those purges or gulags, Pol Pot just hid those millions of Cambodians.

Again read history, only a blind ignorant fool would believe that their Goverment or its members would not be capable of such things. America itself has a history of killing its own people be it Presidents or innocent women and children but maybe you dont believe that either. America itself was founded on the almost complete destruction of the native population. That event was initially started by individual settlers but eventually went ahead with Goverment approval and assistance.

The first point of investigation should not be the event but the history behind it and what lead up to it. Yes there are terrorists there always have been but such people always provide a ready made smokescreen to hide the deeds of others.

reply to post by magicmushroom



An eloquent speech, but it did not really answer my question.

How many people do you believe are involved to make your conspiracy true? Hundreds? Across multiple agencies?