US soldiers kill 10-year-old Iraqi girl

I'm not trolling.

its a fact though, they've been scraping the bottom of the barrel in recruits, picking up highschool dropouts.

I even was watching a History channel show, gangland, and they talked about the military accepting gang members.

yeah, gangmembers

reply to post by Holygamer

One might think that you are of minor intellectual capabilites with the type of quotes your throwing out in this thread. Ignorance knows no bounds, and your thought process is certainly beyond intelligent.
Im not prsonally slamming you, but wow! your either uninformed, lack real world experienc (ie...very young) or you just operate out of bounds.

Alright, let's not get personal.

reply to post by Holygamer


Would you care to tell us what percentage of the recruits are high school drop outs, or gang members? Even with the lower standards, it's still nowhere near being a majority of new troops. The standard went from 90% with High School degree or higher, to 79%. Of course those that were already in had met the higher standards, especially among career soldiers where many have college degrees or various graduate degrees.

Originally posted by jaamaan
Carpet bombing is a very good example of shooting first than ask questions.
When i see pictures and video's of Iraq it makes me think of stalingrad.

Carpet bombing? Nope, we aren't even getting close to carpet bombing. Are you seeing B52s, B1s or B2s come in formation, three to a cell, and dump loads of iron bombs into the city without really targetting a specific target? That's carpet bombing.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by Jaytan
but doing so by pointing at little incidents like this that will happen in any conflict doesn't do much for me.

Why is that? It does for over 99% of the rest of the population so why not you? You do realize you are in humanities minority when you think like this don't you? Most would think you were a monster for this way of thinking.

You were indoctrinated to this thinking. The problem is during this indoctrination you were given plenty of warnings along the way that this was wrong, but you chose to think this way instead.

I do believe God is sorting the good and bad...the choice is yours.

Ha ha ha! I haven't been indoctrinated to believe in anything. I just don't get all weepy-eyed when I hear that somebody was killed somewhere. It's nature's way. George W. Bush and that little Iraqi girl all end up in the same place in the end. Why should I care how they get there?

As far as this God business and talk of good and bad, I don't see how that's relevant to this discussion. Nobody is good or bad. It all depends on your perspective. To the jihadists over there, America is evil and the men we call terrorists are heroes. To Americans, it's the opposite viewpoint. Personally, I believe that the American government's aim should be to do whatever is in our country's best interests and our citizens' best interests. The welfare of any foreigner should not matter to us.... Which is why starting the Iraq War was wrong but it's also why Iraqi civilian casualties are of no consequence to us.

Originally posted by animal63
reply to post by Holygamer

 

One might think that you are of minor intellectual capabilites with the type of quotes your throwing out in this thread. Ignorance knows no bounds, and your thought process is certainly beyond intelligent.
Im not prsonally slamming you, but wow! your either uninformed, lack real world experienc (ie...very young) or you just operate out of bounds.

I mean, Iagree that my intelligence is beyond normal intelligence. Some bizaare form of hyper intelligence.

I understand you dont agree with me, but the facts dont change based on whether you accept it or not.

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Who needs personal experience when you can watch the war on Youtube, as he(Holygamer) obviously has based his opinions on.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Holygamer

 

Would you care to tell us what percentage of the recruits are high school drop outs, or gang members? Even with the lower standards, it's still nowhere near being a majority of new troops. The standard went from 90% with High School degree or higher, to 79%. Of course those that were already in had met the higher standards, especially among career soldiers where many have college degrees or various graduate degrees.

I wouldnt say its the majority, but surely it affects the other troops. And the world image too.

You remember the bad things 7 times longer then the good things. And your only as strong, moral, or responsible as the weakest of the pack. If a gang member is messing with children, killing animals, and acting less then human, well that drags the rest down by proxy.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
Grow up. Nobody is 'crying' about the death of innocent children. It's called justice. If you're not for justice, you're not a real American. And if you think protesting the death of innocent children is 'being a bitch' you are not a real man.

A star to you from me. I agree real men defend the innocent at all costs.

The USA is being divided between good and evil...

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maybe you also need to reread what you put - they quite clearly said that bombing civilians openly with this stuff IS a breach of those protocols - and that italian film of the attack quite clearly shows widespread bombing - so you quite sadly say `put you tube videos over first hand experience` well in thie case the overwhelming evidence - even from the US forces own troops is of widespread civilian casualiaties and widespread use of chemical weapons (wp) directly on civilians

Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by BlueRaja

 

... and what infuriates me are the commanders foaming at the mouth to get more kills - but for every combatant they kill 5 civilians have to die.

I grant you that I cant say it applies to all commanders, nor even all soldiers, but more than a few? yes. Mostly the really young ones. Some of them come out of basic like Nazi Hitler Youths, aching to kill. It breaks me up to see people 'conditioned' like that.

A- where are you getting your figure of 5 civilian deaths to every insurgent death, and are you saying that US forces kill 5 civilians for every 1 insurgent they kill? If so, that's very inaccurate.

B- now you're comparing young soldiers to the Hitler Youth, and claim that my statement was offensive?

Originally posted by BlueRaja
Who needs personal experience when you can watch the war on Youtube, as he(Holygamer) obviously has based his opinions on.

Or you can go to the mall...or any inner-city neighborhood and see what Hollywood has taught them to be. Not all...but most. We are no longer raising a bunch of "red blooded Americans" anymore.

Wake up please and look around.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by DalairTheGreat
Some of you guys act like little bitches..
Your crying over a report about a child that got killed..

Personal insults are not allowed on ATS, take that garbage out of here.

You think caring about the death of children is 'being a little bitch?' I'm 6'2'' 250+ lbs kid... I could easily show you what a real man is. I doubt you would call me a 'liberal' afterwards.

Grow up. Nobody is 'crying' about the death of innocent children. It's called justice. If you're not for justice, you're not a real American. And if you think protesting the death of innocent children is 'being a bitch' you are not a real man.

Yea. personal insults aren't allowed but threatening me is?
You ARE crying about the death of a child. Theres is no justice in war.
I'm all for justice but if I have been in a warzone for the past year, and someone is standing on the side of the road acting strange, I might put a round in them to.
The soldier may not have done the "right" thing, but who's deciding whats right and wrong when one person attempts to come to the fight fair and the other person come to the fight witha bomb strapped to himself.

What if they girl WAS signaling, and the soldiers walk right into an ambush.
Then you come posting about the iraqi's needing to be brought to justice too,which would only continue the killing.

reply to post by Harlequin


You're mistaken with regards to who was targeted. I stand by my remarks. At no point was WP used indescriminately against civilians or insurgents.

Originally posted by pugachev

Originally posted by pepsi78
Today it is a little girl , tomorrow it's a little boy or an old lady, then a pupy or a cat thrown off the clif, or a bunch of Iraqi killed in an air strike, or prisoners tortured in a prisson, so the US can keep bringing democracy to Iraq.This does not make a surprise since convicts, gand members, criminals are recruited in to the US army at a constant rate.

Care to prove such an outlandish claim? My brother attempted to join the military but was immediately denied from all branches because of a minor drug charge when he was 14. How they found out about it is beyond me considering it was sealed. I highly doubt they let "criminals and gang members" into the army.

Sure why not.
www.sfgate.com... file=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/01/ING42LCIGK1.DTL

The report, Gang Activity in the U.S. Armed Forces Increasing, dated January 12, states that members of nearly every major street gang have been identified on both domestic and international military installations. Members of nearly every major street gang, including the Bloods, Crips, Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples, Hells Angels, Latin Kings, The 18th Street Gang, Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), Mexican Mafia, Nortenos, Surenos, Vice Lords, and various white supremacist groups, have been documented on military installations. Although most prevalent in the Army, the Army Reserves, and the National Guard, gang activity is pervasive throughout all branches of the military and across most ranks, but is most common among the junior enlisted ranks, according to the report.


With Green in jail awaiting trial, the Houston Chronicle reported in August that Army recruiters were trolling around the outskirts of a Dallas-area job fair for ex-convicts.

"We're looking for high school graduates with no more than one felony on their record," one recruiter said.

The Army has even looked behind prison bars for fill-in recruits -- in one reported case, they went to a "youth prison" in Ogden, Utah. Although Steven Price had asked to see a recruiter while still incarcerated, he was "barely 17 when he enlisted last January" and his divorced parents say "recruiters used false promises and forged documents to enlist him."

While confusion exists about whether the boy's mother actually signed a parental consent form allowing her son to enlist, his "father apparently wasn't even at the signing, but his name is on the form too."

Law enforcement officials report that the military is now "allowing more applicants with gang tattoos," the Chicago Sun-Times reports, "because they are under the gun to keep enlistment up." They also note that "gang activity maybe rising among soldiers." The paper was provided with "photos of military buildings and equipment in Iraq that were vandalized with graffiti of gangs based in Chicago, Los Angeles and other cities."

Last month, the Sun-Times reported that a gang member facing federal charges of murder and robbery enlisted in the Marine Corps "while he was free on bond -- and was preparing to ship out to boot camp when Marine officials recently discovered he was under indictment." While this recruit was eventually booted from the Corps, a Milwaukee police detective and Army veteran, who serves on the federal drug and gang task force that arrested the would-be Marine, noted that other "gang-bangers are going over to Iraq and sending weapons back ... gang members are getting access to military training and weapons."

As I said no wonder thin kind of things happen, you can't bring peace with drop outs, drug adicts and convicts.Iraq was never about peace.The war must go on.Bush of course is a criminal along with his staff.When I see him on tv it's like looking at hittlers grand grand son.


[edit on 13-3-2008 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by jaamaan

 

You're the one making them out to be honorable freedom fighters defending their homeland. What term should I have used other than hero?
These folks kill men, women, and children indescriminately, in their attempts to intimidate the populace into giving into to their will. You ignore the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that are joining the police and military to fight them, or the millions of Iraqis that have voted in elections. That's all an inconvenient truth for you, because it has nothing to do with your agenda.

You said i called them heros.
I never stated that.

US folks killed quite some more in Iraq, "hundreds of thousands".

And to stay on topic here.
The 10 year old girl that was killed by US forces was killed "indescriminately"

Originally posted by BlueRaja
Who needs personal experience when you can watch the war on Youtube, as he(Holygamer) obviously has based his opinions on.

Youtube, Xbox, Prisonplanet!

Hey, you know, they are (partially) right. The USMC did recruit a gangbanger a while back.

His squadleader was wounded, he took command, took the objective, whacked a bunch of badguys and won the Navy Cross. For the uneducated here, that's the second highest decoration the Navy/Marines give out.

Oh, and he said if he could travel back in time and meet his gangbanger younger self, he'd kick his own ass.

Originally posted by DalairTheGreat

...when one person attempts to come to the fight fair and the other person come to the fight witha bomb strapped to himself.

Unreal. How brainwashed can people become? It amazing!

We sir are the ones that are not fighting fair. We are using the most advanced technology the world has seen with the best tactics, fire power and military that was created to be able to defend Europe The US and still be able to go on the offensive deep into Moscow. All at the same time.

They have some Knives and homemade bombs.

That sir is far from fair.

Originally posted by DalairTheGreat
I'm all for justice but if I have been in a warzone for the past year, and someone is standing on the side of the road acting strange, I might put a round in them to.
The soldier may not have done the "right" thing, but who's deciding whats right and wrong when one person attempts to come to the fight fair and the other person come to the fight witha bomb strapped to himself.

That is what you get when you invade a country with a lot of guns.
You are going to kill a lot of innocent (10year old) people.