US soldiers kill 10-year-old Iraqi girl

reply to post by Sublime620


The same world where if a 10yr old has a gun, or explosive vest, and they're trying to kill me, then they're a legitimate target. War isn't pleasant, and neither is death, destruction, etc.. that are a part of it.

Originally posted by Sublime620
reply to post by jaamaan

 

There are some who fail to represent us properly. That does not change anything.

It doesn't change anything besides putting a giant hole in your naive ideals, now does it?

reply to post by Jaytan
I'm sorry Jaytan, I don't mean to be argumentative, but I don't consider the rape, torture, and murder of innocent civilians a small thing. It doesn't matter whether they're adults, children, women, or men. A civilian is a not a legitimate target. Just because the truth is ugly, doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.

So far we have to our credit, Abhu Ghraib, rape gangs, cluster bombings, and the targetting of civilians by our Blackwater mercenaries. Oh, and practically the whole World hates us. So much for winning their hearts and minds.. Maybe the little girl was throwing flowers at her liberators feet rather than signalling an ambush. It makes about as much sense.


[edit on 3/13/08 by LLoyd45]

Originally posted by Sublime620
reply to post by jaamaan

 

There are some who fail to represent us properly. That does not change anything.

Some.

I think the entire US army is representing it's country in Iraq.
I fail to see what the Iraq people have ever done to the US.

As far as i can see they are an imperialistic army killing/murdering many people a day.
Carpet bombing is a very good example of shooting first than ask questions.
When i see pictures and video's of Iraq it makes me think of stalingrad.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
The same world where if a 10yr old has a gun, or explosive vest, and they're trying to kill me, then they're a legitimate target. War isn't pleasant, and neither is death, destruction, etc.. that are a part of it.

Now Raja, I believe we all know the article said hand signals. If she was shooting a gun at soldiers, I don't think this discussion would even be happening. Let's stay on topic please.

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
It doesn't change anything besides putting a giant hole in your naive ideals, now does it?

That sounds like a quote said by someone who is about to walk into a mall or school and start shooting.

Good luck in life.

Originally posted by jaamaan
Some.

I think the entire US army is representing it's country in Iraq.
I fail to see what the Iraq people have ever done to the US.

As far as i can see they are an imperialistic army killing/murdering many people a day.
Carpet bombing is a very good example of shooting first than ask questions.
When i see pictures and video's of Iraq it makes me think of stalingrad.

Which is why we need to withdraw, find our own sources of energy, and leave the Middle East alone.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Sublime620

 

The same world where if a 10yr old has a gun, or explosive vest, and they're trying to kill me, then they're a legitimate target. War isn't pleasant, and neither is death, destruction, etc.. that are a part of it.

Dont you think the whole US is a valid target as the invading country, with this kind of logic ?

These people are living on their own turf.
I suppose they are handwaving all the time just to get around the day.
Should they all be shot for signaling.

Any way, i think it was stated that this girl had NO gun and NO vest.

reply to post by jaamaan


Where in Iraq have we carpet bombed civilians?

You might want to read this(well you probably won't want to, but you should anyway).

www.polisci.umn.edu...

It deals with targetting, laws of war, proportionality, etc...

Originally posted by Jaytan
but doing so by pointing at little incidents like this that will happen in any conflict doesn't do much for me.

Why is that? It does for over 99% of the rest of the population so why not you? You do realize you are in humanities minority when you think like this don't you? Most would think you were a monster for this way of thinking.

You were indoctrinated to this thinking. The problem is during this indoctrination you were given plenty of warnings along the way that this was wrong, but you chose to think this way instead.

I do believe God is sorting the good and bad...the choice is yours.

Originally posted by jaamaan

Dont you think the whole US is a valid target as the invading country, with this kind of logic ?

These people are living on their own turf.
I suppose they are handwaving all the time just to get around the day.
Should they all be shot for signaling.

Any way, i think it was stated that this girl had NO gun and NO vest.

You are operating under the misconception that the Iraqi people are fighting the invading American soldiers, and the insurgency is self defense.
The insurgency is fighting Iraqis too, including the elected government.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by jaamaan

 

Where in Iraq have we carpet bombed civilians?

You might want to read this(well you probably won't want to, but you should anyway).

www.polisci.umn.edu...

It deals with targetting, laws of war, proportionality, etc...

The videotape obtained Sunday by Associated Press Television News captures a wedding party that survivors say was later attacked by U.S. planes early Wednesday, killing up to 45 people. The dead included the cameraman, Yasser Shawkat Abdullah, hired to record the festivities, which ended Tuesday night before the planes struck.
www.commondreams.org...

Maybe you remember what happened in Fallujah
The whole city was was sealed off as a closed military zone.
10.000's of civilians where still in the city when the US bombarded it.

"laws of war" !?

Man the whole war in Iraq is unconstitutional according to US law.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
You are operating under the misconception that the Iraqi people are fighting the invading American soldiers, and the insurgency is self defense.
The insurgency is fighting Iraqis too, including the elected government.

I dont see anything mis with my conception.

The whole insurgency started when the US invaded.

And started killing inocent people an mass.

[edit: some spelling]

[edit on 13-3-2008 by jaamaan]

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I was at Fallujah, and no- 10,000s of civilians were not still there, and in any event we didn't carpet bomb the city. There would've been no need for ground forces to fight, if we had just leveled the city, which is what carpet bombing would've done.

As for wedding party story, that's not an example of carpet bombing. Carpet bombing is a type of strategic bombing, where large numbers of dumb bombs are dropped blanketing a large area(i.e. B-52s dropping 100s of 500lb bombs).

So what is next.

When you scratch your nose you are a valid target ?

reply to post by jaamaan


We haven't ever killed innocent people en masse, and the insurgency is not Iraqis defending their homes against foreign invaders. Over 90 percent of the civilian casualties in Iraq are as a result of your heros.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by jaamaan

 

I was at Fallujah, and no- 10,000s of civilians were not still there, and in any event we didn't carpet bomb the city. There would've been no need for ground forces to fight, if we had just leveled the city, which is what carpet bombing would've done.

As for wedding party story, that's not an example of carpet bombing. Carpet bombing is a type of strategic bombing, where large numbers of dumb bombs are dropped blanketing a large area(i.e. B-52s dropping 100s of 500lb bombs).

I am sure in both cases it was a carpet of bombs.
Maybe they why they where shot doesnt fit the term carpet bombing.
Still a carpet of bombs to me.

Specialy in the case of fallujah.
And yes 10.000's of people where still in the city at the time of the assault(s)

A little more than a year ago, thousands of U.S. and Iraqi troops leveled much of Fallujah
www.washingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by jaamaan

 

We haven't ever killed innocent people en masse, and the insurgency is not Iraqis defending their homes against foreign invaders. Over 90 percent of the civilian casualties in Iraq are as a result of your heros.

What do you mean by "your heros" !?

Is this an attempt to a personal attack on me now ?

I suppose it is the "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists' strategy.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by jaamaan

 

We haven't ever killed innocent people en masse

I think the wedding example speaks for it self.

reply to post by BlueRaja


i call you out as a blatant baiter and a liar - the international red cross went onto fullajah directly after the US used WP and NAPALM in blanket bombing attacks and witnessed more than 10,000 people there.

you are a liar.

i caught you out before about fullajah and will do every single time.

These are not war accidents. These are paranoid troops with mental disorders and a IQ below 80.

Originally posted by Sublime620

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
It doesn't change anything besides putting a giant hole in your naive ideals, now does it?

That sounds like a quote said by someone who is about to walk into a mall or school and start shooting.

Good luck in life.

That sounds like a quote from someone inside a mall thinking, "Oh, I'm perfectly safe here. I'd never get shot - this is America!"

Good luck in the afterlife.