NY Governor Spitzer Is Linked to Prostitution Ring

Originally posted by Areal51
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

 

I don't know about an inside job done on Spitzer? Is it similar to the "9/11 was in inside job" conspiracy?

Some can find the CIA - Illuminati controls in any big news story.

They make the news.

7/7 patsies... well the Intel community... Marylin Monroe... they could tell the story behind the story at every turn.

I suppose its a question of believing just the face on news story or not.
Face on is just superficial to what MAY have happened.

Regular news is enough for some people.
The inside job approach has been taken for 911, but if there are divisions
in the 'secret government' this might be like watergate.. the insiders
caught by security guard and police.

Spritzergate probably will not go any further.
Unless FOX NEWS blunders into the wrong control room.

I've read several reports now and none of them indicate that Spitzer will be charged with a crime. There is only speculation as to whether he might be charged. The longer this drags on the less likely he would face any charge. Also, there is no firm word on his resignation. I'm beginning to think that he might stay in office, face impeachment, and continue to serve out his term as governor. As difficult as that might be, it may be the best thing he could do for his state, as the majority of NY's voters (Spitzer received 70% of the popular vote to get into office) see him as being less corrupt than the alternatives, Lt. Governor David A. Paterson excepted, of course.

Update: Spitzer's aides have confirmed that he will not resign his office today (Tuesday March, 11, 2008.) Evidently he's following his sister's earlier suggestion to not resign in haste.

Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who spent much of the day considering his options with close advisers, will not resign his office on Tuesday, according to a person involved in the discussions.

The governor remained in his Fifth Avenue apartment in Manhattan a day after law enforcement officials said he was a client of a high-priced prostitution ring broken up last week by federal authorities. Things remained uncertain regarding the governor’s future throughout the day. Mr. Spitzer, 48, a first-term Democrat, was said by aides to be considering resigning, but no official announcement had been made Tuesday afternoon.

www.nytimes.com...

If he is taking this long to resign his constituency may have enough confidence left in his ability to continue serving as governor. At least it appears that way now. Usually politicians caught in this kind of a web resign immediately more out of their constituents loss of faith in them than in shame. So we are going to have to wait until at least tomorrow to find out what Spitzer will decide to do.



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Originally posted by SaviorComplex
.. Nor should we ever ignore crimes and corruption simply because someone else may have violated the law....

No problems and sorry for clipping your quotes.

I was only asking to see if the May portion of your statement was to be uniformly applied to J.Q Public, G.Q Politician, and B.A Corporation alike? - As its obviously hard to ever come to grips with actual justice when guilt and innocence is convicted/acquitted solely in the court of public opinion.

Originally posted by Areal51
I've read several reports now and none of them indicate that Spitzer will be charged with a crime.

A51:

www.theseminal.com...

I found the above article interesting as well. Spitzers’s no.1 political rival would have moved up to LT Governor, and guess who is cozy with the current USAG McCaskey and it is speculated might like the top job in NY – Mr NYC Mayor (I’m not running for President) Bloomberg.

I now wonder if we will we ever see this tiered/offshore IRS case come to light against the present Governor? It was supposedly the ‘real’ reason for the investigation and mass wiretapping fishing expedition in the first place.

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Sex rings are that hard to find.
It seems too contrived.

Will a sex ring crack down be issued.

That should be the next step, no we just keep talking about Spitzer.

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That's a very interesting exposé. Interesting that Spitzer could have been investigated for structuring before he committed any acts of structuring.

I like what the author has to say:

What in god’s name was Spitzer thinking?

When most of the myriad talkers and typers were asking that, they were no doubt thinking: What was Spitzer doing frequenting prostitutes? Is he nuts? He has a wife! He wants to be President! Prostitutes?!?

I suppose that’s a valid question, but, to me, it is not a particularly interesting one.

Here's the thing—I am not really that amazed that an aggressive and powerful politico thought that he could get away with paying for sex. Spitzer is hardly the first, and he will certainly not be the last. The morality of this behavior can be debated, but the originality of it cannot.

But here’s what I am amazed by: I am amazed that a Democrat—no, let’s make that any Democrat—thinks that he or she can do anything on the sly and keep it secret these days.

I actually have to wonder, as I've wondered before, if elected Democrats realize that issues like the US Attorney scandal and warrantless surveillance are not just inside baseball, not just about a debatable difference of opinion on the balance to strike between security and civil rights, but are rather about Republican attempts to lock in one party rule.

Does Spitzer or any of the Democratic Party leadership really believe that their calls and e-mails are not being monitored? Ten years ago, maybe I would have broken out the tinfoil hats, but now, after all we know? C'mon!

What in god’s name was Spitzer thinking?

www.theseminal.com...

Apparently a structured overseas payment from the money trace was
under investigation by the IRS, but again started by a bank employee.

There was no trace or investigation of the ring until Spilzer removed the
funds.

Why question the Governor's use of his own funds.

If thats illegal, that should be the charge.

He's not the first one to do this, nor is he the last I'm sure...

Governors, Senators, Politicians, etc...this should come as no surprise to anyone. They're grimey, greedy, and dirty people who do what they want because they've been appointed a position with power.

The whole idea of government is now ridiculous...its illegal for us to break the law, but when someone such as a governor does- its a slap on the wrist...

There's no more equality left in this country.

A New York detective just explained it on Fox.

His bank, under the Patriot Act, has to report suspicious money transfers. With Spitzer making large money transfers to offshore "shell organizations," his bank reported him and that's where the prostitution ring became obvious, because they used a bogus business to shelter clients who paid by credit cards, so that suspicious payments didn't show up on his statement.

That might have been good enough to fool his wife, but not the feds.

So, when it's all boiled down, it was the Patriot Act that got Spitzer.


[edit on 2008/3/11 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Slickinfinity
After hearing this morons try and scam New Yorkers into that stupid drivers license for Illegals this news makes me smile. 1 scumbag down but there is still lots more left in politics but its a start.

Amen to that. After that treason Spitzer tried to perpetrate on our country and citizens of New York, granting driver licences to illegal immigrants (thus potentially to terrorists) getting rid of this scumbag seems like an awful good idea!

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Nice find Grady. Sometimes we have differences in opinions, but most of your posting are good.


I was wondering where they actually caught him and how.

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Conspiracy theory is written all over that. Banks, The Patriot Act, Spitzer ruthlessly and successfully putting Wall Street on trial, corporate loving Republican's in corrupt as ever Albany, New York. None of those agencies want to see reform of anything. The man's got major enemies.

At Spitzer's level, if you don't have friends in the banks, you don't have friends.

[edit on 11-3-2008 by Areal51]

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True, but no one made him cheat on his wife for six years with high-priced whores, pay his bills with bank transfers or use his cell phone to call and exchange text messages with the agency.

When you consider all those indiscretions, there isn't room for much of a conspiracy.

Someone may have dropped a dime on him and everything I've heard indicates that he would have deserved that, but all the reports that I've seen add up to a man who was deluded by his own power and thought that he could act as he did with impunity.

He was wrong and now that he's been caught, I don't see a lot of people running to his defense.

As I said before, last night I heard Susan Estrich and Ellis Henican raking this guy over the coals and these two individuals are as liberal as anyone can be and almost always excuse every moral failure that involves a Democrat.

I've never felt so weird in my life as I did last night listening to these two. It was like being in a dream or a parallel universe.

It was like hearing dogs meow and cats bark.

It was surreal.

news.bbc.co.uk...

[edit on 2008/3/11 by GradyPhilpott]

reply to post by scrapple

Very interesting read.
Given Spitzers ego and sense of moral superiority I would guess he thought that he was safe inside his own state (NY) and wasn't thinking about a Federal investigation. I feel sorry for his teenaged daughters. Scarred for life.

Originally posted by andolin
I feel sorry for his teenaged daughters. Scarred for life.

It's always the kids that suffer.

I'm not sure they will be scarred for life, but they will never forget the sense of betrayal and humiliation they will feel as a result of this.

It's a big leap from the child of a squeaky-clean Governor to the child of an unemployed gutter snipe.

Children are very resilient and this won't be the last of their disappointments, as life somehow manages to dish those out pretty evenly.

Regardless, this whole thing was completely unnecessary and his children will be hurt by the chaos their lives will be thrown into.

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reply to post by TeslaandLyne


All I have to say is that it is nearly impossible to get a job anywhere in the US, without passing a background check, unless you are an illegal.

How come none of our elected officials don't have to undergo the same type of background checks?

Even if this guy didn't have a record, something dug up by a private investigater might have given a clue.

I bet his wife wishes she would have hired one on her own! Unless she really didn't give a damn!

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I'm not excusing his behavior, I'm just saying that it's a bunch of dirty rotten scoundrels playing with a bunch of dirty rotten scoundrels.

Also, I don't think any of these people who have great power are deluded by it. The fact that they have it or have held it is proof that they have the capability of getting what they want. It's a problem that the one's who choose to work in the public sector have to walk a tightrope with behavior that would otherwise in private be acceptable amongst many of their colleagues. I don't think it's because they think that they can get away with anything that they try to get away with anything. I don't think it's a matter of being self-destructive either. The catch is that their otherwise normal behavior is not consistent with the public office or position of responsibility that they are elected or appointed to hold. Most folks do not blink an eye when they see private individuals paying for sexual entertainment or services, or engaging in other illicit activities, but it's a huge problem when it involves public officials.

It's really a strange dichotomy that we set up for ourselves. We know people are crooked but we put them into power despite having that knowledge. We know no one is perfect but we hold on to lofty and impossible ideals anyway. We know that given the nature of the job that politicians hold they will have to lie, cheat, steal, take bribes, or offer bribes in order to get work, work for us, done. We know that people who can become presidents, senators, governors, and CEOs are not normal, ordinary people with normal, ordinary appetites and behaviors. We know this unequivocally. But let the true nature of our favorite people be known outright and we will hang the offender for being careless and accuse him or her of behaviors and crimes that we knew they would commit prior to their taking office. Many of the folks who are raking Spitzer over the coals are also admonishing themselves for having supported someone who they knew was not perfect and whose behavior was beyond question. Every time we condemn a public official we also condemn ourselves. We want at least for the term of office our elected to be what we know is impossible to achieve. We want them to, at least, make themselves seem to be beyond reproach. We humans need hope. Creating these dichotomies enables us to create that hope. In the process we create despair, too. However, what we really want is hope. We have great difficulty facing life without hope.

Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
I bet his wife wishes she would have hired one on her own! Unless she really didn't give a damn.

She's going to take this guy to the cleaners.

His real character is showing, in that he's hiding behind his office to bargain a deal to avoid prison, where the sex might not be to his liking.

I'm certain he's undergone some background checks in his career, but perhaps not since he was elected to office.

Remember, he was the Attorney General before being elected Governor.

He'd been in the public eye for a long time and he's played his cards very well.

I guess once he became Governor, he just decided he didn't need to be careful anymore.

Originally posted by Areal51
reply to post by GradyPhilpott

 

It's really a strange dichotomy that we set up for ourselves. We know people are crooked but we put them into power despite having that knowledge. We know no one is perfect but we hold on to lofty and impossible ideals anyway.

Every time we excuse these behaviors in our public officials we harm ourselves.

The public expects exceptional behavior from public officials, because they have campaigned on the basis of their values, decency, and trustworthiness.

I'm not saying that there is no room for forgiveness, because the American people have forgiven fallen leaders in the past, but when an official betrays this trust, he must deal with the response of the people.

As yet, I have not seen that the people of New York are in a mood to continue with this particular person.

It's their choice and ultimately, they will prevail.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

She's going to take this guy to the cleaners.

Yes, she might have known all along, and this is her devious plan. She might be smarter than the media is giving her credit for.

His real character is showing, in that he's hiding behind his office to bargain a deal to avoid prison, where the sex might not be to his liking.


Do I hear soap on a rope, here? One of these guys has to be made an example of sooner or later.

I'm certain he's undergone some background checks in his career, but perhaps not since he was elected to office.

Or he paid them off at that time. Hmmm, I wonder where that money came from?

Remember, he was the Attorney General before being elected Governor.

Really makes you wonder, doesn't it?

He'd been in the public eye for a long time and he's played his cards very well.

Somebody else had an ace up their sleeve!

I guess once he became Governor, he just decided he didn't need to be careful anymore.

Yes, I guess what you had to say is sort of like a drunk. They think they can handle a car after having a few driving behind a wheel and not getting caught. Power hungry.

He was even reported by his prostitutes to be difficult. Obviously, the guy had some sort of God complex.