NY Governor Spitzer Is Linked to Prostitution Ring

Originally posted by poet1b
Isn't it the republican who push the whole sex is immoral issue?

Spitzer made it an immoral issue as well. During his tenure as NY AG, he busted several prostitution rings, even once saying he felt disgusted by the people he prosected. This was during the same period he was patronizing his favorite prostitution ring.

Saying he is being brought down for just having sex and doing something "everyone else does" is nothing more than an attempt to excuse the fact he broke the law. He admitted to engaging in an illegal practice, may have laundred money to do so, may have engaged in human trafficking (technically, bringing a prostitute across state-lines may be regarded as such), had knowledge of an illegal practice (he wasn't just picking the prostitutes up off the street-corner), and allowed what amounts to an organized-crime ring to operate. That is far beyond "just having sex."

Spitzer has just announced has resignation as from Monday 17th, giving him time to hand over his position.

CX.

Originally posted by scrapple
I was only asking to see if the May portion of your statement was to be uniformly applied to J.Q Public, G.Q Politician, and B.A Corporation alike? - As its obviously hard to ever come to grips with actual justice when guilt and innocence is convicted/acquitted solely in the court of public opinion.

Often in politics, there are times when a politician is accused of a crime, or something happens that has the appearance of an illegality, something that is open to debate and consideration. That is why I was very careful to use the word "may." The court of public opinion aside, in a court of law people are innocent until proven guilty. I don't think politicians should necessarily have to step down simply because they are accused of a crime. Nor do I think we should ignore the crimes of one simply because another has been accused of crime.*

It is a lot different than what we have in Spitzer's case, where he has admitted to his "private failings." (though because he broke the law, I fail to see how they are private, but I digress). It is cut and dry he engaged in at least one illegal activity. When they are guilty, such standards should be appiled uniformly. But this being the real world, we know that such standards are not always uniformly applied. However, one person getting away with a crime should never be used as precident for another to be absolved.

* for instance, because Bush/Cheney have been accused of crimes, no matter how heinous, we should not excuse Spitzer's "private failings." I say accused because there is still considerable debate over Bush/Cheney's actions, despite whatever John Q. Public (D) and John Q. Public (R) may say. And just to be certain, I am not saying this as pro/con Bush/Cheney, nor am I saying it as an invitation to debate such issues.

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[edit on 12-3-2008 by Areal51]

Gov. Eliot Spitzer, reeling from revelations that he had been a client of a prostitution ring, announced his resignation today, becoming the first governor of New York to be forced from office in nearly a century.

Mr. Spitzer, appearing somber and with his wife at his side, said his resignation is to be effective Monday, and that Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson would be sworn in to replace him.

“I am deeply sorry that I did not live up to what was expected of me,” he said. “To every New Yorker, and to all those who believed in what I tried to stand for, I sincerely apologize.”

“Over the course of my public life, I have insisted — I believe correctly — that people regardless of their position or power take responsibility for their conduct,” he added. “I can and will ask no less of myself. For this reason, I am resigning from the office of governor.”

Mr. Spitzer is the first governor of New York to resign from office since 1973, when Nelson A. Rockefeller stepped down to devote himself to a policy group, and the first to be forced from office since William Sulzer was impeached and removed from his post in 1913 in a scandal over campaign contribution fraud.

In the two days since news of Mr. Spitzer’s involvement in the prostitution ring surfaced, he has been engaged in an intense legal and family debate about whether to resign or, as aides said his wife was urging, to stay on.

www.nytimes.com...

There you go. He resigned. It's what most expected. Given what he stood for versus what he did, this is the solution that he felt would balance the equation.

To me, it just seems that it is another case of humans taking the path of least resistance. The media breaks a story. The accused resigns in shame. The public feels it is still in control. It all is just another tale of humans being reduced to base instincts and behavior.

Some are crying, some are laughing. Drama and comedy. Despair and hope. Such is life.

Just a FYI - Did You Know : David Patterson (D) who will replace Mr. Spitzer is legally blind.

reply to post by harddrive21


Yeah, it's been mentioned in all of the reports that I've read. Apparently it doesn't make a difference to his capacity to govern.

He made a mistake and transferred over $10,000 off shore.
That triggered a CTR by the bank.
CTR=Cash Transfer Report
Busted!

Originally posted by harddrive21
Just a FYI - Did You Know : David Patterson (D) who will replace Mr. Spitzer is legally blind.

All I have to say is great, I hope this helps other blind people with him being appointed.

I heard people commenting on this earlier today.

Just because he might be blind, doesn't mean he doesn't have more sense!


[edit on 12-3-2008 by Enthralled Fan]

reply to post by SaviorComplex


If Spitzer made it a point to bust prostitution rings, while he was visiting prostitutes, then that is hypocrisy, and blatant hypocrisy is very hard to forgive in my opinion. A far worse character defect than cheating on ones spouse in my book.

It is a real shame, because what he was doing when he was going after wall street crooks was great, and we need someone to go after con artists who rob billions from investors, and this has been far too widespread, especially with 401k plans.

reply to post by Areal51


Just to be crystal clear : I did not bring that up to mock the new governor or to say he cannot do the job. It is a first in this country. It shows that skin color or handicap/disability has nothing to do with it. If you are a good leader or good at your job or qualified, those things do not come into play.
One thing to mention about his wife though - she did say during the election that her husband and Spitzer won that she wouldn't vote for Spitzer...just ironic.
But Mr. Paterson should (and will) do an excellent job. I may not agree with all of his political stances, but he is there and I hope he can put this mini disaster behind him and move forward.

reply to post by harddrive21


No problem. I didn't think that you were implying that Patterson wouldn't be able to govern. I brought up the issue just to say that it didn't seem to be an issue. Know what I mean?

Didn't know if thid made it on here yet and theres a picture of her on the site.

Her name is Ashley Alexandra Dupré, 22

www.msnbc.msn.com...

NEW YORK - New details emerged Wednesday about the call girl at the center of the prostitution scandal engulfing New York's governor, with a newspaper report identifying her as a 22-year-old aspiring musician from Manhattan.

reply to post by JBA2848


This is going to be one rich person, who sold herself.

Darn, I wish I was 22 again! It might be the only way to make a buck in America today!

reply to post by Enthralled Fan


Shes just trying to find that sugar daddy out there for her and now shell be famous for what five minutes!

reply to post by harddrive21


the answer to your question about why now? i think he found out something that might have brought some very high-powered individuals down, and the powers to be, always had this thing in their back pocket. apparently this had been going on for some time, and i'm sure someone knew about this along time ago. this is just the tip of the iceberg for politicians and wallstreet guys. those high priced call girl businesses in washington and new york are not there to lose money. alot of hidden skeletons to go around, so to speak.

reply to post by JBA2848


I have a rich, Sugar Daddy. He is quite a bit older than I am. Allowed me to retire at a very young age. I work my butt off for this guy, handling businisses he retired from, before he met me. I don't get paid, but I do it out of love. LOL, I guess I haven't retired! I am just his signee.

I don't expect any rewards.

It was my descision to get involved with an older man, however the guy was divorced before I ever came along.


if he can't respect his wife..........how is he respecting the people who voted for him?
I do find it offensive that people just don't get a divorce, when things are not working out so well at home, they have to find pleasure in other people. It's just not honest, as he probably took vows before God, for the marriage he cheated on.

People have said in this thread, that they find it ok to do whatever adults want to do in a consenting situation, but this man took a vow of marriage to his wife.

If he couldn't keep it, he should have divorced her before his dalliance, just out of respect for her.




[edit on 12-3-2008 by Enthralled Fan]

Originally posted by kosmicjack
Image the collective sigh of relief at the RNC because, at least this time, it wasn't a Republican caught in a sex scandal. Wait for it though, it'll come around again.

Funny, this certainly seems like political baiting..shouldn't he get an embarrasing "not here on ATS buddy" sticker?

oh, damn., right.. he's not baiting liberals so it's ok.

My bad.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
Also, it will be interesting to see just how much this investigation was pushed by fat-cat Wall Streeters who have just been waiting to take Spitzer down.

so would that invalidate it then?

Originally posted by kosmicjack
Pay back is hell.

when you are a jerkoff on a power trip.. yea, payback is a bitch.
It's ALWAYS the guy who champions the loudest who is the most guilty.. ALWAYS.

Spitzer started off good, then strong armed everyone into generating a false reputation for himself.

He was an extortionist plain and simple.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by poet1b
Isn't it the republican who push the whole sex is immoral issue?

Spitzer made it an immoral issue as well. During his tenure as NY AG, he busted several prostitution rings, even once saying he felt disgusted by the people he prosected. This was during the same period he was patronizing his favorite prostitution ring.

Saying he is being brought down for just having sex and doing something "everyone else does" is nothing more than an attempt to excuse the fact he broke the law. He admitted to engaging in an illegal practice, may have laundred money to do so, may have engaged in human trafficking (technically, bringing a prostitute across state-lines may be regarded as such), had knowledge of an illegal practice (he wasn't just picking the prostitutes up off the street-corner), and allowed what amounts to an organized-crime ring to operate. That is far beyond "just having sex."

Wow, exactly.

How could he be using a ring if he was busting rings.

Who runs the internet with all its smut connections.

Some government run 'ring master' must have set up rings for
Spitzer to bust while the Illuminati insiders tell Spitzer 'this is how
its done' we use our ring.

Which seems some how inadequate to service Washington DC.
How could that hole in the internet service international escorts, what bull.
Well Kristen came from Manhattan so that must be popular.

You don't see too many well dressed women walking on Park Avenue
at night but if you see one she had a cheap date.

Originally posted by gormly
so would that invalidate it then?

Exactly. It does not matter who Spitzer's political enemies are, or how rich those who hate him are. It does not absolve him of guilt.

People who suggest otherwise are those who continue to enable corruption among our elected officials.