Was This A Message From Extraterrestrials??

reply to post by mikesingh


LOL!!!

Dude...you know what? I totally stand corrected!!!

That's freaking awesome. It really would take a lot of groups to pull off, but conversely, don't aliens spend too much time shoving things up abductees' butts to do all of those?

I dunno...maybe you just reignited my belief!

Nice one

reply to post by squiz


You hit the nail on the head. I won't divulge my source but that is exactly what I was told. And as for the weird flashes of light, I have a quick little story that personally corroborates what those circle-makers have said.

Several years ago I saw an unidentified flying object at night here in Sacramento. It was a deep amberish color and had no indicator lights, although I think it was too far away to see any shape (it was just a dull reddish glowing light). Well, the light "went out" and not but maybe a second later there was a bright flash, like generalized lightning all around, but there was no sound. I called my girlfriend (at that time) out to the patio and told her. We both started looking around to see if there was someone with a camera running around taking snapshots and then a few minutes later the "lightning flash" happened again. It's source was definitely from the sky in general and she saw it, too. Oh, it was a cloudless clear night as well.

We both thought it was weird, but what was even more weird was not but a week or so later the Sacramento News and Review came out with a new issue that was about a crop circle found in Rockville, (between Vacaville and Valejo) and a field investigator for MUFON was searching for clues. www.newsreview.com...

The CC had been discovered the morning after I'd seen the UFO and "flash" the previous night. I thought it was more than just a coincidence so I reported it to MUFON, but nothing ever came of it. Oh well...

But the bottom line is that everything in the universe can be manipulated by their own specific resonant frequencies... ourselves included And until the day comes when we as a whole can put it all together there will be no "disclosure", except maybe on a personal level.


edit: Came across this visual listing of crop circles here in the US. www.cabiz.net...
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I do not know the source of crop circles. They may be of earthly origin or alien. However, I do strongly believe that they are not constructed by conventional means. Of course, there are the obviously man-made ones (rope and planks variety), but the highly complex crop circles have such a high degree of PRECISION and SOPHISTICATION that they cannot reasonably be assigned to your average prankster. For one thing, pranksters crave PUBLICITY! Yet no one has come forward to lay claim or to demonstrate how some of these complex circles were created. Isn't that strange in itself? How can you ascribe to ordinary pranksters what highly skilled groups cannot do without the use of highly sophisticated equipment such as computer programs spewing out MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS with GPS coordinates etc and the TIME RESTRAINST that are imposed additionally? So don't be flippant in dismissing these PRECISION DRIVEN works of art. Electromagnetism is not a byproduct of trampling down grass with wooden planks! An UNIDENTIFIED TECHNOLOGY is being used to create crop circles, be it MAN or ALIEN.

reply to post by JustMike


Thanks JM! That was an option that didn't strike me at all!

This is quite possible considering that we know next to nix as to what's going on out there! But then if they had access to such advanced technologies as time travel, then they would have found us long ago and not waited for 21000 years for a signal from us to know we are here!

But that was a good point worth considering!

reply to post by mikesingh

Thanks for that... Here's another wrinkle: considering the enormous number of galaxies, many of them containing thousands of possible star systems that might have planets capable of supporting life, I always wondered how any alien civilization, perhaps vast distances away, would happen upon this little place. It led me to thinking that the odds would be vastly reduced if "they" were led in our direction somehow, and a pretty powerful signal (such as the one mentioned in your earlier posts) would be just the ticket...

Just a note: the following relates to the influences of just a single alien race. I don't assume that there is only one; it's just easier to lay out the scenario this way. There could well be a huge number of other races that exist, and several that may have visited us or are doing so now.

Back to the main theme (lol!!)...Now, time travel being the paradoxical concept that it is, it would make a modicum of sense that having picked up this signal from us and then worked out where we are, they could "travel" in time to us and start the process of establishing contact without freaking us all out too much. But then, deciding that it would be helpful to their cause to move things in the right direction, they might then go further back in time for other visits... Okay, so while those earlier visits (which in some cases appear to have occurred thousands of years ago as in the Ezekiel-documented cases) indicate to us that they first established contact/visited/knew of us that long ago, from their perspective these visits could have come later within their own "natural" time-line -- if they even perceive time in the way that we do, I mean...

Okay, so this scenario makes it seem like we ourselves created the conditions that led to their "earlier" visits, while also suggesting that the commonly-held belief in many older human societies of "visitors from the stars" has been part of the driving force behind us wanting to make contact with "them", to the extent that we eventually used our technology to attempt inter-stellar communication...

In spite of the paradoxes I see a rather neat kind of balance of energies in such a scenario... True, it neither proves or disproves the non-human origins of some of the more advanced "crop circles" but it helps (me at least) to look upon all this with a less "linear" perspective. The whole assumption of cause-and-effect following a single, "forward" time continuum viewed from a fixed frame of reference may simply not apply, and even though my knowledge of time-defined physics is limited, I'm thinking that it might be worthwhile to re-evaluate the historical records (both ancient and modern) based upon the possibilities inherent in this scenario. For example, if these (possible) visitors are capable of time travel, they will "already" know what our ultimate reaction will be to them once they unequivocally reveal themselves to us. (ie The "saucer on the White House lawn", for example.) There are various threads here on ATS that suggest we are being prepared for such a revelation...

Actually, even those threads -- just like yours -- are part of the process, I guess!

Note for Mods: While it might seem that discussions about time travel are a bit off topic, I'd argue that because the crop circle under question is linked to an "image" that was sent to a target region 21,000 light years hence (from us), and there has been a lot of discussion about whether it could have been already intercepted or not, then consideration of the "time" angle is relevant. (In other words I hope you don't delete my post! Thanks!)

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On the subject of Circle Makers,
I find that site very interesting with lots of content if you actually spend the time to look at it, which i did. Some of it shows proof that humans can create good crop circles, here are some examples which are obviously not a mystery:








Plans for the Hello Kitty™ CC

After seeing these and many more "publicity circles" on that site I started to again get very skeptical about the whole CC mystery. However, I could not find any video evidence of them actually making the circles. Sure theres plenty of images of the guy with the rope and plank smiling in a field (in broad daylight) but unless I missed it, there was no videos of them doing it.

So conclusively, I 100% believe that humans can make sophisticated CC's, but until I see it done on video completed in the course of one night I am still going to question it.

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by sotp
I have a big problem with the location of the circles - mostly in England with the occasional few popping up in Japan, Australia, USA & Russia. You could say that these countries are some of the more important on our planet but then why not a higher concentration in the USA?

USA? Check this out. Crop circles in North America on GoogleEarth. Thousands of them!



Christ, if the're man made, how long do you think this would've taken?? And by how many prankster groups? So then surely someone would have been caught in the act or would have come forward and admitted to making some of them and showed us how and why they made 'em?

But the mystery remains!

Cheers!

Were all those created at the same time? No
How many farmers actually fly above their crops every day? Only those located in extreme locations with access to a plane, who even then, may not fly over the same field every day
So, it is a possibility, that some of the more complex ones are created over a longer period of time.
As to why no-one has been caught, CCTV in a large open field is pretty pointless. They have scarecrows to keep watch out.

Again, why would aliens fly X amount of lightyears just to push some crops over, when surely they have the ability to fly over somewhere like Mt.Rushmore and quickly carve their messages there?

Crop circles are nothing more than works of art or vandalism if viewed from a farmers viewpoint

Great thread. Somehow I doubt people are making the sophisticated circles. Circle-makers has some sophisticated ones, but they don't say they made them. I just find it hard to believe that hoaxers are making these incredible formations. These things are just too damn clever for people to do just as a joke. Some of the known man-made ones I've seen look really rough.

I saw a vid where where some observers were videoing a field where a crop circle appeared at dawn. All they observed was a quick flash.

OMG! this is too funny.
This is joke right?


I couldn't stop laughing when I saw the representation of the "aliens"
you are all eating this up right?


please stop.. my stomach hurts.

Occam's Razor, again - which requires the fewest facts not in evidence, two pranksters walking on boards across a crop field, or ETs?

As a former collegian in the 1970s, I can personally testify that people with the same level of sophistication as molecular biologists (or at least those of us who have had to labor in the fields of molecular biology long enough to understand and draw out diagrams of DNA helices of various sorts) DO occasionally get inspired to commit elaborate practical jokes which require technical sophistication of one sort or another.

I'll pass over the sort of emotions that might motivate someone to work out an "alien reply" to the Arecibo broadcast and point out that across the bottom of the reply which shows everything alien, down to the structure of the DNA - there's a diagram of OUR solar system. NOT an alien solar system. OUR solar system.

Oops.

What a great thread!

I can't help but think somewhere there are aliens reading a message board about whether the radio signal they received was from Earth and if there is any intelligent life there.

They are probably flaming each other and sooner or later one of them says, "Why would earthlings use RADIO WAVES?! If they are intelligent you would think the least they could do is to come here and make a crop circle or two! Nobody uses radio waves anymore!"

As the posts pile up, the obvious question gets asked, "...and why exactly do the radio waves always show up in FlugenGorpLand?! It's just a bunch of those FlugenGorpLanders drunk on Romulan Ale and trouncing around in the middle of the night with radio wave transmitters!"

First of all, if a cluster of stars is 21,000 LIGHT YEARS away, it is going to take a whole lot longer for a radio transmission to even get to that system... It travels at sub the speed of light. And therefore, it will take longer than 21000 years to get to that system, let alone be able to send a message back in less than that time.

What are people smoking around here? They need to quit.

This is a GREAT post. Very interesting indeed.

I have a question though.

If humans would have been seen or caught while making a circle that close to a place with security, would any other 'terrestrial' being be caught or seen as well?

Seeing as how they're made of similar things. They still are a biological being... That can be seen! Lol.

So, why didn't we see them?

Originally posted by JamesSchumacher
First of all, if a cluster of stars is 21,000 LIGHT YEARS away, it is going to take a whole lot longer for a radio transmission to even get to that system... It travels at sub the speed of light. And therefore, it will take longer than 21000 years to get to that system, let alone be able to send a message back in less than that time.

What are people smoking around here? They need to quit.

They might not be that far away... They might just be close to here, and have been for a long time. They could have just put that weird arangement of a solar system because that might be where they are from. Doesn't mean they were there when they received the message.

What I want to know is, why couldn't someone just photoshop a pictrue like that?... OMG! Overnight. How could they have photoshoped a pictrue that fast. Lmfaaaooo! There's Occam's Razor.

Originally posted by JamesSchumacher
First of all, if a cluster of stars is 21,000 LIGHT YEARS away, it is going to take a whole lot longer for a radio transmission to even get to that system... It travels at sub the speed of light. And therefore, it will take longer than 21000 years to get to that system, let alone be able to send a message back in less than that time.

What are people smoking around here? They need to quit.

They might not be that far away... They might just be close to here, and have been for a long time. They could have just put that weird arangement of a solar system because that might be where they are from. Doesn't mean they were there when they received the message.

What I want to know is, why couldn't someone just photoshop a pictrue like that?... OMG! Overnight. How could they have photoshoped a pictrue that fast. Lmfaaaooo! There's Occam's Razor.

For now, I think they live within us. A dimension that we might be able to hear, feel, and maybe even see... So, I'm saying humans could have made this, under the power of an extraterestrial.

It is very unfortunate that individuals like these two fellows, as shown in this YouTube below, find it amusing to waste their time and worse, waste everyone else's time, creating Fake Crop Circles. I imagine they have had their laughs down at the pub over a few beers with their buddies but, I don't find it funny at all.

While some will say "Get A Sense Of Humor", I don't find such farces amusing at all, especially in these times and in light of the obvious efforts of "those" who are creating the "Real Crop Circles" in some effort to communicate or ???

Frankly, I am of the opinion that anyone who produces fake "Crop Circles" or produces any kind of Alien Encounter Farce with a serious intent of misleading the public should be liable to consequences but, I see that is not likely.

Fortunately, with the vast amount of information available via the Internet and venues like YouTube and BelowTopSecret, the facts are there for those with eyes to see, ears to hear and a sincere hunger for the truth.

I for one am convinced Crop Circles are for the most part "For Real", that Extraterrestrials are here, the worst is true about 9/11, about this administration and our government, about 2012 and a list of other details that say something very big is and is about to happen. If I am wrong and I am still around 20 years from now, then I will hopefully have cause for a sense of humor

well then they are very closeby, the signal cant have travelled further then 36 lightyears.
if they don't have a way around lightspeed and relativity issues then they can't be further then 18 lightyears away and their reply has taken 18 years to get back to us.

but tbh I think it's a hoax, if actual life out there would respond they would have sent a signal back using the same method we used to get it to them, because that is the only way they could be certain we were abe to receive their reply.

this sounds to me like an inside joke tbh.

And as to making cropcircles from lightyears away as a valid communications device is doubtfull, one must look from their perspective.

you just received a transmission from 18 lightyears away containing details of a civilization and decide to reply.
Now what do you know about their communications technology? you know they could send this type of radio transmission. It figures to send the reply back using the same type of transmission. You're certain they can receive it.

on the other hand, somehow making cropcircles remotely on some alien's planet doesn't sound like a good idea for a few reasons.

1 - you don't know if they see like you do, maybe they use echolocation, who knows, so visual communication is an uncertainty whereas you know they could send radiotransmissions for sure.

2 - actually altering anything physically on an alien's planet could be misinterpreted and be undisirable or even concidered hostile or morally unacceptable to the alien species who send a message into space, they might frown apon it because they didn't invite you to interfere on their planet's surface. Would you risk such a misunderstanding on first contact?

we might, but then we are far from an advanced species if you concider how old some civilizations out there might already be, the universe and this galaxy have been around a long time, we're the new guys not the other way around probably.

if you're going to assume anything about 'them' when we someday make first contact, I will bet you everything I have, it will go wrong. We can barely understand and deal with the differences between cultures on our own planet and we are all the same species! We aren't ready to go out there yet I think.
just look at this planet, us, it's a big mess atm.

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My use of "BelowTopSecret" was a test to see who was actually listen but of course, I meant "AboveTopSecret". Get a sense of humor

One common misconception is that the circles appear overnight.

The fact that nobody saw them before does not mean that they weren't there.

How many people do you know that look at all the things that surround them? How many times did someone pointed something to you that you never notices but that was there all the time?

One of the largest circles from some years ago was confirmed as being made in two different nights, but most people that show the photos from that circle only show it in its final, completed, stage, not the previous, uncompleted, one.

It can be seen on the bottom half of this page.

PS: I first saw these two images of the crop circle on a site that does not have them anymore (at least that I could find them), but the Internet Archive has a copy here, but with many images missing. That specific crop circle is at the middle of the page.

Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
Thanks for starting this thread! This is an intriguing mystery to say the least. To add another piece to this puzzle...



THIS crop was in UK, it gave details when,how and where the Roswell incident