Was This A Message From Extraterrestrials??

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reply to post by Jonar

Certainly makes sense math is a universal language, ours may equate to a child's level of knowledge to a race that has been visiting us since the time of the pryamids. Its stronger reasoning than a voice dubbed with a flanger speaking in a British accent as was posted on another thread ,,Commander Vrillion lol

Now here’s something that’s very strange! Check out this pic…


Pic: Peter Sorensen


Now that’s surprising. If the CC in the inset was man made, how come its ghost image appeared one year later after the field was planted with new crops after re-plowing? That means there’s something in the soil that has reproduced the ghost image. How can it reappear again after a year?

Food for thought, what?

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That is weird, any farmers on ATS that care to share their knowledge on this one?


You would think that after the soil was turned and crop regrew that no evidence of a CC would ever reappear. Unless that certain type of crop is only cut at the base and the soil is never touched, than perhaps the stalks of the plants were so damaged that some of them never regained their complete upright stance.

Once more, too lazy to read everything said here, but yet I have an idea!

We had no issues whatever about sending a radio signal into space for detection by an alien race who might, if their psychology is anything like ours, be driven to suicide and despair if they found they weren't alone! Is that because our experts don't really believe it's a likely scenario or because we don't actually care? Hmm.

So, why should the aliens reply with crop formations rather than a return radio signal? Don't they have radio technology, or do they think it's terribly old-fashioned - and slooooow?

On the other other hand, if a radio signal had been received on earth and suppressed, might not some kindly scientist somewhere, knowing about it and feeling the world should be told, perpetrate a "hoax" as a means to get us wondering, investigating and discovering the truth?

Finally, what if we have already made contact with aliens - isn't the whole SETI set-up and all this transmitting into open space just a big joke and one more lie to be unveiled? There are Greys in Area 51, so why bother with this futile and pointless million-to-one-shot attempt to communicate? Is it to find out how many technological alien races there actually are? To what end? To destroy them? Are the ones who respond to our messages the foolish ones, akin to responding to an amnesty on illegal fire-arms and getting yourself arrested?

How many replies, then, do you think we might actually have received already? And how many of these responded with corn circles, with UFO fly-bys, with weather and gravity anomalies? How many of the replies we have received have we completely misinterpreted as natural, possibly destructive, phenomena?

Are we ready for a reply?

Originally posted by Unknown 4
reply to post by mikesingh

 

these alpha helices would be such that hydrogen bonding would be disrupted, and the double helix would not form ..... this is something the "return signal" author was not aware of, meaning it is more likely the author is a hoaxer and not an extraterrestrial.

Or just possibly a slightly distorted echo back of our own signal.

Originally posted by mikesingh
Why just ETs? Take the everyday examples of the simple house fly. Scientists, who have studied the movements of these insects, contend that time for them moves much faster in a linear fashion and a fly swatter would seem like something coming at them in slo-mo! And at the other end of the spectrum is the snail, where time moves extremely slowly (normal for them of course), but they may not be able to see a house fly at all!!

Yes, I agree that in respect of various living things here, there appear to be differences in perception of time. The point I was making is that it often seems that some people do not allow for the possibility that ET's may well have a different perception as well...it's like there is an assumption of limitations within a human frame of reference, which makes no sense to me.

Now were talking of linear time as we know it, the fourth dimension. What if ETs have the technology to bend time into multiple dimensions? That’s probably why we don’t see some of those complex CCs being made!

In my post I said:
"If we want to push the limits a bit, we could even accept the possibility that they somehow enveloped or enclosed the target area within an alternative dimension (for want of a better phrase) where "they" could spend as long as they pleased working on it, then they released it again back into our "normal" space/time."

and...

"If these beings are capable of interstellar travel (as some assume) then it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that they can manipulate space and time in some ways."

We've used slightly different words but it looks like we agree on the concepts... Least I hope so!

But hey! Where these CCs are concerned, I have an open mind, until there’s proof, one way or the other!!

Cheers!

Couldn't agree more. I feel it's important to also consider the broader picture and it's great to see so many posts that are looking beyond the CC's per se. I've had some wonderful new insights from this thread already and I'm grateful to all who post them.

Many thanks,
JM

Originally posted by hidatsa

Originally posted by Unknown 4
reply to post by mikesingh

 

these alpha helices would be such that hydrogen bonding would be disrupted, and the double helix would not form ..... this is something the "return signal" author was not aware of, meaning it is more likely the author is a hoaxer and not an extraterrestrial.

Or just possibly a slightly distorted echo back of our own signal.

That would be a reasonable suggestion if the subject under discussion were a radio signal received from space, but that's not the case. The subject is a "crop circle" (actually rectangular) in a field that bears strong similarities to an image contained in a signal beamed outwards some years previously. I don't believe there is any mention in this thread that any return radio signal (echo or otherwise) has been received. At least, I didn't notice such a reference and I've read the whole thread.

Note for mods: apologies for the quote-within-quote nature of this post but for context I thought it best to include it all.

Any seen this before?

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Possible,CC has been create by sound? From WHO KNOWS?
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Everytime there is a global shift occuring such as the one thats going on now, these so called aliens start to make themselves seen as to why im unable to answer

check out nasa's case evidence on ufos on youtube it has david sereda explaining alot

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Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
Here is an interesting website for you all to check out....

Big business cashing in on crop circles?

Interesting to say the least.

I'm convinced that .E.T are behind the crop circle, there is no way Humans can Do it in a very short time

Originally posted by Zelun

Originally posted by David2012
well then they are very closeby, the signal cant have travelled further then 36 lightyears.
if they don't have a way around lightspeed and relativity issues then they can't be further then 18 lightyears away and their reply has taken 18 years to get back to us.

According to the reply, if it is the Sol system depicted Earth is one of the planets they inhabit. So all they need is Internet access.

but tbh I think it's a hoax, if actual life out there would respond they would have sent a signal back using the same method we used to get it to them, because that is the only way they could be certain we were abe to receive their reply.

That's assuming they're not already well aware of us.

this sounds to me like an inside joke tbh.

And as to making cropcircles from lightyears away as a valid communications device is doubtfull, one must look from their perspective.

you just received a transmission from 18 lightyears away containing details of a civilization and decide to reply.
Now what do you know about their communications technology? you know they could send this type of radio transmission. It figures to send the reply back using the same type of transmission. You're certain they can receive it.

The problem is we didn't send the message to a system 18 light years away, it was a tight-beam transmission to a star cluster some 25,000 light years away. So either they get the message a little over 25k years in the future and come (or send messages) back in time, it was intercepted, or they have Internet access.

on the other hand, somehow making cropcircles remotely on some alien's planet doesn't sound like a good idea for a few reasons.

1 - you don't know if they see like you do, maybe they use echolocation, who knows, so visual communication is an uncertainty whereas you know they could send radiotransmissions for sure.

The message we sent was an image. Of course we can see.

2 - actually altering anything physically on an alien's planet could be misinterpreted and be undisirable or even concidered hostile or morally unacceptable to the alien species who send a message into space, they might frown apon it because they didn't invite you to interfere on their planet's surface. Would you risk such a misunderstanding on first contact?

I'm not convinced they're benign anyway.

Sorry to pick your post apart like that man. I don't mean to offend.

I think if we are to assume that this is a reply of non-human origin, the fact that it came in the form of a crop formation strongly suggests they are also behind some, if not most, of the rest of the crop formations. So this is nothing new for them. In this case we just gave them a protocol with which to 'ping back' so to speak. I think the Cymatics argument is rather compelling to explain the other forms.

I've been thinking about why they would choose to make their drawings in the crops. Maybe the temporary nature is part of the message, as in here's today's lesson, better pay attention and take notes because we have a lot of ground to cover(no pun intended I promise) and there will be a test.

I'm trying really hard not to anthropomorphize these creatures, but doesn't there seem to be a lot of oneupsmanship in the message? Like 'our DNA is 4 nucleotides more efficient than yours, and yet we have more base pairs' or 'we outnumber you by 8 billion or so, and we have more planets AND bigger brains!'

I say 'That's like, your opinion, man'

EDIT: math error and forgot to explain the edit
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i don'tknow who does your science but for a "tight beam" to reach something 26000 ly away takes 26000 years. assuming there is nothing in between those 26000 lightyears that might decide to reply.

ps assuming is making an ass out of u and me.

and the way science is done here sometimes is far better suited for science fiction then serious research into any fenomena, so now we're AssUMe-ing already that they time travel aswell... got to love "science" on ats

if you want to aid disclosure and discovering what, if anything, is visiting us or what is out there then you would be wise to keep it within the realm of reality. There is enough bs out there already that's making it hard to do any serious research in these fields as it is, let's not add to it.

"Of course we can see." you missed my point completely and aren't succeeding in changing your perspective as required to understand my point.
My point is they don'tknow what is obvious to us. Im not in the business ofassuming so I dont assume they timetravel, visited us before, are aware of us, or use fart power to operate ufo's also I don't assume the species who might have sent a reply to our signal would have to be one of the species we supposedly know about already.
If we used echolocation e.g. we might not be able to "see" the cc messages, aliens assumed to be beyond us would be smart enough to concider this and send a message back to us using the same way we sent the original message because that is the only way to exlude unknown variables.
(you did mean they were more advanced, if not then I retract this last comment they might indeed then be daft enough to use an unproven way to reply to an unknown to them species about which all they know is they can sent radiotransmissions and look funny in the pictorial.)

No you didn't offend me nor discredited anything I said conciderably I think, I find the ufo community is far to busy with believing things. Are we researching something or just participating in a new religion?



[edit on 13/3/2008 by David2012]

Originally posted by David2012

i don'tknow who does your science but for a "tight beam" to reach something 26000 ly away takes 26000 years. assuming there is nothing in between those 26000 lightyears that might decide to reply.

You might want to read my post again. Note that 25k means 25,000.

ps assuming is making an ass out of u and me.

The alternative is that it's a hoax, which makes it a moot point.

and the way science is done here sometimes is far better suited for science fiction then serious research into any fenomena, so now we're AssUMe-ing already that they time travel aswell... got to love "science" on ats

The ability to time travel is offered as a possibility as it is not prohibited by our current understanding of science. Furthermore we wouldn't want to dismiss anything out of turn. That would make us closed-minded. In keeping with the spirit of my post, however, it was offered as a less likely alternative to the idea that they're already on earth and know how to use a web browser.

if you want to aid disclosure and discovering what, if anything, is visiting us or what is out there then you would be wise to keep it within the realm of reality. There is enough bs out there already that's making it hard to do any serious research in these fields as it is, let's not add to it.

I reject your reality and substitute my own! That probably wasn't productive. The point is that if they ARE 25,000 light years away then they MUST have used time travel to reply so quickly. Personally I don't think this is the case. See above.

"Of course we can see." you missed my point completely and aren't succeeding in changing your perspective as required to understand my point.
My point is they don'tknow what is obvious to us. Im not in the business ofassuming so I dont assume they timetravel, visited us before, are aware of us, or use fart power to operate ufo's also I don't assume the species who might have sent a reply to our signal would have to be one of the species we supposedly know about already.

Why would we send a visual message if we couldn't, ourselves, see it?

If we used echolocation e.g. we might not be able to "see" the cc messages, aliens assumed to be beyond us would be smart enough to concider this and send a message back to us using the same way we sent the original message because that is the only way to exlude unknown variables.
(you did mean they were more advanced, if not then I retract this last comment they might indeed then be daft enough to use an unproven way to reply to an unknown to them species about which all they know is they can sent radiotransmissions and look funny in the pictorial.)

But they didn't send a radio message. They made a crop formation which, if we're still going with the non-human explanation, strongly points to their involvement with other, more traditional crop formations. Hence, already here.

No you didn't offend me nor discredited anything I said conciderably I think, I find the ufo community is far to busy with believing things. Are we researching something or just participating in a new religion?

I don't believe science and religion are mutually exclusive, but that's a whole 'nother thread. I'm glad I didn't offend you. Thank you for taking the time to respond

Respect.
z

reply to post by Zelun


"The ability to time travel is offered as a possibility as it is not prohibited by our current understanding of science. Furthermore we wouldn't want to dismiss anything out of turn. That would make us closed-minded. In keeping with the spirit of my post, however, it was offered as a less likely alternative to the idea that they're already on earth and know how to use a web browser."

The signal was sent 20 something years ago? dont think the web was up then. However dont think it took 18 earth years for resident aliens (extraterrsial) to go and make a CC reply to the signal.

So anyone have an idea when CCs started "cropping up" pun intended,,,
Certainly not in response to the signal sent out so ,,we are ,,, back to square one on resident extraterresial sources creating CC's or am I know offically lost on the direction of this thread? hehe

reply to post by jbmitch


Good question. The ARPANET, precursor to the Internet as we know it, was online in it's full four-node glory as of December 5th, 1969. By '71 email was flowing. In '73 the FTP protocol had been established. The Arecibo message was sent November 16th, 1974, and you can bet your britches the guys and gals at UCLA and Stanford were pretty excited about it. Excellent question nonetheless.

In any case, just because we sent the message by radio doesn't mean it was received in the same way.

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Sorry man, forgot to address the second part. I don't know why they would wait so long. Maybe an instant reply would have been too much for people to take? Or maybe they waited until it was too late for us to use the info they supplied against them?

From what I've gathered crop formations have been going on for a LONG time, as in we started seeing the patterns only after we had taken to the skies. Until then they were just trampled sections of crops as far as we knew. Could be wrong though.

z

reply to post by Zelun

Did you really have to say this?
"In any case, just because we sent the message by radio doesn't mean it was received in the same way."

A signal sent out with the intent to make contact with any thing or anyone.
Contained in this message was a diagram of what sort of mechianism we used to send it.
18 years later a message in a crop circle appears next to the sending device with a diagram showing a different piece of equipment they used to recieve it? Was your comment intented to be so enigmatic or was that a random oophs,,,?

Naturally the skeptic's response would be obvious,, the original author answered their own message with another after waiting 18 years? And decided to add a few DNA chains that only a few sciencist even know about today,,, umm
sounds more like to aliens conversing in a universal language science and math saying ,,"your toy is cool, but look what we got!"


Okay 20 something year turn around, but you get my drift,,,
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Well, it didn't appear next to the Arecibo dish, it showed up next to the Chilbolton dish in Hampshire. Also, I think the interpretation is that the device in the reply is the device(or method) they used to send it, not what they received ours on.

I agree, as I stated in a previous post there's a goodly amount of oneupsmanship in their reply.

I'm operating with the premise that it's not a hoax, otherwise there's no point in discussing it.

Oh, the 'just because...' comment was more directed towards David2012's concerns about whether the recipients would be able to reasonably assume that we have visual sense organs.