The Early Signs of Public Unrest and Social Chaos?

I think the Min. guy hit some nails on the head. The law has become so oppresive that it creates its own subculture by default.

If I could compare 2008 to any other American decade it would be to the roaring 1920's.

Prohibition can be compared to the drug war with gangster attitude and smugglers.

The stock market was out of control and people scoffed at the idea that it could crash as we have often seen over the past few years.

Weather patterns began to change with widespread drought resulting in the mass migration of people as we are beginning to see now.

The only thing that brought us out of the depression was the Second World war.

The Elite, during the 1920's began to make a move on America's banking institutions, taking most of it over by the time WW2 was on.

The 30's hit and it was hell in America/Canada as nobody had seen since the reconstruction after the civil war.

The Elite know this. They will act on it. Send the poor to war, trample down the bottom feeders, buy the rest and get set for a Neocon monopoly.

The new slaves are waiting, hog tied by the fact that they need to eat and feed there families.

I am reminded of what Chief Counting Coupe said after the defeat of the Crow and the realization that their way of life was done...for good.

Cheif Counting Coupe said..."After there was nothing"

What he meant was that the change brought to that culture was so abrupt that they all where in shock. The old ways were done for. They looked, seeing that there old way of life was gone. They needed to adapt in order to move on and live.

I hope that if there is change coming it is not that abrupt.



[edit on 4-3-2008 by whiteraven]

reply to post by pacificwind


I do not recall at any point in this thread stating that I wanted socialist healthcare, however I would like affordable health care.


Is it a requirment in your mind that I be held illegally without due process in order for me to be outraged for someone els that has?

I see no one on this thread espousing anti-institutionalism. Personally I would like the institutions my tax dollars support to support the people of this country, not the illegal wars, the Halliburtons, oil companies, bankers and foriegn corporations.

You may want to pay closer attention to the conversations here.

[edit on 4-3-2008 by Witness2008]

reply to post by Witness2008


When the price of health care is artificially interfered with by government (how else do you plan to force "affordable" healthcare?) - it is socialism. Socialized health care doesn't have to mean we all get taxed at extraordinary rates to pay for healthcare for everyone (it isn't "free") - but I do recognize that this is what most people think "socialist healthcare" means. And I find healthcare to be extremely affordable. I decided to take a job that has good benefits.

Your strawman statement is illogical - the point is that while we all like to complain and be outraged at things like that, the reality is that your day to day life is not being impacted - unless you are being held without regress.

This entire thread is nothing but anti-institution. The blaming of - everyones - problems on institutions - government, the stock market, etc. Its a way of shifting blame, and its obvious. I don't have a problem with it, but it is what it is.

The war is not illegal not matter how much you want it to be (I disagree with the war actually - but lets talk facts, not sensationalism). I realize all that anti-corporation stuff is fun to say, but lets - again - talk facts. Personally, I would like the institutions my tax dollars support to stop wasting money on social programs, and not tax me as much. Since of course...thats is where the overwhelming bulk of the budget is spent. But it isn't as fun to talk about how trillions (not billions) are being wasted - yearly - on that.

I pay very good attention to the conversations here. However, I don't only read threads where everyone agrees with me either.

Soothsayers and doomsday oracles have predicted economic disaster every year since we had anything that resembled an economy.

At least for the United States, I cannot comprehend why so many pessimists continue to do this given our considerable economic history of adapting to prevailing conditions and getting through every "crisis."

The negative drumbeat of doom is constant, but when we hit a normal business down cycle the pessimists out there get self-righteous because they suddenly feel vindicated in their pessimism.


[edit on 4-3-2008 by pacificwind]

reply to post by AWingAndASigh
its inevitability is overwhelming

Originally posted by Gools

That last one is a testament to the fact that this is not strictly a US phenomenon.


[edit on 3/3/2008 by Gools]

That last one was a survey by the Telegraph which is a well know right wing i.e. anti labour paper. What else would you expect!

I think you have to distinguish between a neutral survey and a biased one that happens to tie in with your beliefs.

Abbie Hoffman lives! Has anyone heard of the group "Recreate 68"? Check out the link.

crashtheconventions.com...

Explosion Reported at Times Square Military Recruiting Station; Traffic, Subway Diverted

Another person lashing out to make a statement.
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I remember in 2005 when young people were burning cars by the thousands in France for two months.

I thought to myself "This is a milestone".

The disenfranchised have given up hope for democracy. They will do whatever they must to be heard.

I expect many more riots as the global economy crashes.

reply to post by Gools


I was watching "The Big G" give yet another "They are planning another attack" speach when the breaking news came on of the bombing. I suspect it is home grown anger, maybe over someones son that was slaughtered in this war.

Originally posted by an3rkist
Food is not the only necessity of people in this nation. Some of us care more about freedom than we do about food. We may be a minority, but we are a very adamant and persistent minority. And if what you're saying is true, perhaps we need to jump the gun on this revolution and make it happen before things get that bad. Additionally, when it's that bad revolution will probably more violent than it could be if we did it now.

Hey, I feel right along with you. I think, yeah, act now! Let's...

Let's what?

Aren't we already doing something with our words here on one of the fastest growing sites on the internet? Isn't it best to publish our thoughts?

Frankly, one way we can fight best is to overwhelmingly make sure there is as unassailable as possible an Internet. As opposed to "internet," the Internet is only those systems of communication that allow sites to dictate any policy they want to about content (with age restrictions, I suppose, if we think we are doing well by our children by editing what they experience of it), everyone has access, AND all sites offered can be visited by anyone on the net, with anonymity of those accessing a site. Kinda like it is now.

Without the freedom of information, there can be no freedom. Those with money will manipulate information if they have control of what is available to ensure the "lower class(es) behave mostly in their interests, and since right now it's pretty clear that those with money are not above the manipulation of information...

If we let the Internet slip... It's pretty much all over right there.

Another direction we should expend energy (no pun, initially, but I like that it could be mistaken as one) in is learning about Free Energy options. Some of the stuff out there is pretty cheap in terms of time and materials to investigate ourselves. I have enough evidence in my life to believe there is a good possibility that we will find something there if we start looking in earnest.

Research Viktor Schauberger, Wilhelm Reich, and yes, even Tesla. See what's out there to find, now, because... I can pretty much guarantee you, if we lose "net neutrality," you won't find anything.

The reason Free Energy -which I theorize is Dark Energy manifesting in our Universe - is so important is because with it, with our level of tech, with our level of science, and...with everything Now...

...with Free Energy, the standard of living for every human will equal that of the most Elite, and we will build our homes of gold.

Our lives will be extended, we will each do as we want to, we will congregate with those who want the same things around them, having similar interests, and the richest will be those who are rich in character.

There will be a transition, with the current Elite pumping their propaganda, their fear, into our ears and eyes. But if we take these two steps, the third will be into heaven on Earth.

[edit on 3/6/2008 by Amaterasu]

The link below accounts for the lashing that recruiters are facing, and the threat that federal funding will be pulled from Berkley. There is much unrest out there, and unlike the 60"s we are seeing all age groups envolved.

www.csmonitor.com...

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I cant help thinking that the moves the Gov boys and the elite are making these days,spell out some doom scenario we are as yet umaware.
The rumours and testimony from credible soucres of undergrond facilities constructed for survival of the elite,and the utter abandonment of the surface dwellers to their misery should the crunch come, must have some effect on the regard we have for them in return.
The fact that such places have and are still being constructed,is grim reminder that we are at the bottom of a news well, and get fed nothing much for reality nightly.
What does the US Goverment know that its citizens dont?
It seems that there is no care in the world that the military budget is causing untold hardship and suffering on the part of the taxpayers.
(never mind those on the recieveing end of the ordinance we are paying for.)
Could it be possible that there really is a tenth planet comming?A dark star approaching the sun?
Or some other world as we know it ending scenarios?
The way that the people in chARGE SPEND MONEY THEY KNOW WILL NEVER BE REPAID BEFORE WE GO BFOKE WITH IT ALL KEEP ON PUMPING THE DOLLARS DOWN THE RATHOLE, MAKES ME THINK THERES AN UGLY FUTURE THAT WE DONT KNOW YET IS APPROACHING.
I cany shake it, and i think well not be told the danger till its too late to do anything but kiss our own arses goodbye....
bergle

Any politician desires power, so George Bush or even a Democrat would *love* to institute martial law. I don't think it's going to happen in America in the near future, however, as most people are not actively fighting the powermongers in oil, the military, and banking.
Throwing a brick through a window is sign of social unrest, for sure, but the government needs little outbreaks of unrest for them to pass legislation enabling further curbs on everyone's freedom. When it is only the "have nots" that are throwing bricks, the government can carry on regardless, as the "haves" (including the average middle class families) support draconian measures if they think it "helps stop the criminals". The vast majority of Americans don't care that the prison population is at an all time high and that 1 in 9 black men aged 20-34 is behind bars. They think it is a good thing.

The underclass and its leftist supporters might want a revolution, but for a revolution to happen, the middle classes have to join with them. In the 60's, we saw middle class whites change their view of Vietnam, and go from supporting it to being against it, but it took a few years. Something similar may be stirring now, in the dying days of Bush's premiership, but I have a feeling that things will quieten down when Obama takes over. Life will still be # for a large proportion of the population, but they'll say "Let's give Barack a couple of years to sort things out". Of course, the whole system is corrupt, whether a Democrat or Republican is in the Whitehouse. Obama will still preside over a huge prison population and huge disparity in wealth between the rich and the poor. He's a stooge for Big Industry, just like all the rest.

In my opinion, the most likely thing to cause unrest amongst the middle classes will be the collapse of the banking system. If a group wants to bring down the system, they don't need bricks through windows, or even guns. They just need to organise a massive run on the banks.
If 10% of the population went to their bank tomorrow and said "I wish to withdraw my entire balance and close my account", the whole system would collapse, since their isn't enough cash in the system to pay 10% of the customers. When banks start telling customers they can't have their own money - that's when you have a revolution.
In Britain, we've already had one run on a bank this year, with thousands of people losing their life savings. They didn't riot, but they were very angry.
If you are sick of the endless profits of the banks, then take your money from them before they tell you they've lost it through poor investments. It just might be that hidden behind their creative accounting, they are running very low on cash. I'd advise the pessimists to get their cash now while they still can.

Or be prepared to fight for it.

Originally posted by Tinhatman
"Jingle Mail": Homeowners upside down in their loans are mailing their keys back to banks and walking out.

Homeowners are setting fire to their homes as opposed to going into foreclosure.

In a neighborhood near Orlando called Lee Vista, 40% of the homes are in foreclosure.

The gunstore across the street from me can not keep low-end firearms on the shelves. SKS, Mosin-Nagants, Hi-points, etc.. are selling so fast they are putting high-end weapons on sale to make room for the cheap stuff!

Riots in a high school in Miami and this morning on the way to work a traffic camera had clearly been shot by a paintball gun.

On the wall of the local gas station is spray painted
"Revolution is coming!!!" Somehow I do not think they mean the Ron Paul Revolution in this case

Also, every single website on the internet has posts regarding revolution. Nothing can stop it now. It only grows stronger until it physically manifests itself.

Ever stop to think that a real rebellion is just what GWB is trying to start, just so he can crush it and make himself Emperor?

Prollem is, will the Grunts on the ground actually fire on their own people or will they join the rebellion & Kick that loser outa the whitehouse?

It all comes down to loyalty. Are the arme forces loyal to the US or are they loyal to the people of the US...!!

reply to post by Gools


Has to be a good thread. Very few from just reading the opening gives me goosebumps.

I hav ethought about his for aling time and wondered why the high school shootings were spilling over to todays college shootings. It is my own Generation that is doing these things. I figured that after high school these things would stop. But NO. We have managed to take it to college with us. I am 24 and am wondering why my generation is so violent? I have been without the meds for a couple of years and am doing great. If it is a deffinate link to the meds then we need to get rid of them.

But if it is something deeper that I have yet to uncover or anybody else has uncovered, we may be in for a whole world of purple steaming buffalo pucky

Originally posted by Ironclad
Ever stop to think that a real rebellion is just what GWB is trying to start, just so he can crush it and make himself Emperor?

Prollem is, will the Grunts on the ground actually fire on their own people or will they join the rebellion & Kick that loser outa the whitehouse?

It all comes down to loyalty. Are the arme forces loyal to the US or are they loyal to the people of the US...!!

If you were a not exceptionally bright grunt, and were hired by a company like Blackwater, and were told or insinuated to that you were "special," "above the unwashed masses," do you think you would be motivated to control those masses on the orders of those who praise you?

Even good people can be swayed to do horrendous things to others if they are made to feel "chosen," or "above" those they are doing those things to. If they believe, through indoctrination, that the end will be better than the fight if they just follow through on the orders they are given, they will do things you and I would shudder at.

So I'm willing to bet there will be enough people, tripping on a "righteous" high, that will smite a fellow citizen if given the order. Yes, they don't need a majority. Only a few individuals with guns can control a very large number of unarmed - or underarmed - citizens.

There will be some few that refuse the orders, but their fellows, having bought the line that they are Elite, they are the saviors, they are above the rest... Those fellows will take out their own compatriots who disagree with the feel-good "I'm better" line.

From the disenfranchised (of which there are a great many now in this country) there will be a great number who will bite into the line that they are "special." That is a feeling they collectively yearn for, and given that, they will do whatever it takes to keep that feeling going.

Bad news for us, if we let this continue as it has been.

[edit on 3/7/2008 by Amaterasu]

Originally posted by pacificwind
Really? Because...that routine is still around. You didn't have socialist healthcare a few decades ago. The country didn't have Habeas during the civil war either - and by the way, have you been detained by the police without the ability to seek relief? I know I haven't.

I agree that no one should have to think about their phone being tapped, and yet, it doesn't impact my ability to live a full life. As far as being able to "travel again" - whats stopping you? Owning a home? Completely possible. In fact, now you can own one for a deal as real estate prices deflate back to normal.

There is a difference between espoused values versus values in practice. Everyone espouses anti-institutionalism because it is "cool" to be "against the man." But in practice, we all buy into it. But is far more fun to blame all of the problems on the world on whoever is in power/isn't of our ideology.

[edit on 4-3-2008 by pacificwind]

Pardon me, but you sound to me as if you would apologize for the gross disregard for our Bill of Rights this administration has show. Like, "Well, *I*'m not suffering, so who cares?" This is the mentality held by so many just prior to and even during Hitler's reign. Like that piece (who was it that wrote it..?) that says something like, "When they came for [fill in some group - gypsies, jews, blacks, muslims, whatever], I did nothing because I wasn't [fill in same group]."

About travel... I can't travel, because I don't have the money to renew my passport. I used to be able to go to Mexico and Canada, and my driver's license was sufficient. But now I must shell out $100 if I want to visit and expect to be able to return. Closing the borders is a fascist tactic, and we are most certainly headed that way.

And as for "blam[ing] the problems of the world on whoever is in power/isn't of our ideology," it isn't the "problems" per se that I blame on anyone. It is the enemy combatant thing, and the removal of habeas corpus, and the spying, and the seizing of property without due process, and the imprisonment of millions of citizens to keep a prison-industrial complex system running, and the attempts to control information flow by a threat of the loss of net neutrality. All are fascist moves.

So my phone is tapped, but I'm not doing anything wrong, so who cares? Well... I care. It's unConstitutional without a warrant. Period.

[edit on 3/7/2008 by Amaterasu]

Here in my town, bank robberies are happening nearly every day. There are women robbing banks now too!
A group of 6 young men, jumped another young man outside of a popular downtown college student hangout, and beat, kicked him and then stomped his head so severely, he died a week later. All are charged with murder. The young man who died did nothing to provoke it!
Domestic disputes are up, as well as spouse killings. WHY? Why are people flipping out?
Cops will tell you, everything is more crazy during a full moon...
So imagine what will happen when the Earths cycles thru a Galactic change?

I am convinced,as we near 2012-ish, and as the magnetic poles shift, man is going to feel the effects of the cosmic cycle, and Earths changes.
I believe more basic, base people, who are not normally in control of themselves anyway, are going to be huge problems for society. Take the Muslims for example...I think they are loosing their fricking minds wholesale. WHY?
Look at the Genocide going on in Africa lately. ( 20 years + ) They have totally lost their god-damned minds there. There is no saving them. It is hopeless. They got little kids armed now killing people. Unbelievable! WHY?

I noticed too, that many animals are acting odd. Birds in particular. (singing in the middle of the night ) I am seeing birds in my yard that have never been here before. WHY?

The rampant lying, cover-ups, corruption within the bodies of government are so bad now, we cannot trust anything they say or do. This is who we want as our representives? Why are they like this? WHY?
How come we are such collective dolts we do not run all of them out of Dodge? Change indeed! HA!

The pursuit of wealth has become so cynical and twisted, coporations and the people behind them, will stop at nothing to achieve it. Even at the expense of their employees. WHY?
I read every day, that many 401's are in peril. Why? They shouldn't be.

They say Social Security Funds are not there. The fed prints money to feed the lie it is solvent. WHY?

Why is Norway now all of sudden interested in and pursuing storing seeds and genetic material in a deep underground Artic Zone vault? This is a warning sign!

As we watch our world unravel, and societies turn on each other, and madness reigns supreme ( like Bush & co. + ) we should be asking WHY is this happening NOW?

I haven't any answers now, just that I can see definite changes in the last 20 years. It isn't good!

It isn't getting better, it is getting worse! By leaps and bounds...
The most frightening part of it, is most think it is better!

Just get the news from many many different sources, and you will see
just how bad everything is...WHY?

This is why is prepare, and stock up, and practice keeping my shooting skills sharp... I see it coming!

reply to post by artysmokes


You are another one of the mindless boobosie who falls for the proaganda and paid for media hype of politico's, like Barrack? Obama.
Study the Nazi era propaganda schemes, and you will see parallels.

This guy smells too high heaven. He is no more a savior, than Bush was, Clinton, Reagan, or any others. HE IS A LAWYER FIRST, AND A POLITICAN SECOND, what in the hell makes you think he is any different than any other before him? Because he's Black? Right? Because he is under 50 yr's old? Because the fast assed, always soused, murderer from MAINE endorsed him?
America is being sold a "pig in a poke" with this idiot big time. And the worst part about it, nobody seems to realize it!

Why will it cost nearly a Billion Dollars to win the election this time? Doesn't that cause alarm bells too go off for you?
Do you actually believe all that money is spent on "Air Time and printed material"? or, is greasing the palms of insiders and paying bribes to the power elite all part of getting there? CHANGE? if you believe that, your head is full of smelly cheese!

AS long as America continues to fall under the beguilement of Political Correctness, believes for profit media, worships Hollywood horse crap, and lets rampant political corruption go unchecked, there will never be any sort of revolt. Bank on it!

AS far as Obama is concerned; if you want a metro-sexual pisswilly fop from Chicago as your leader, that says volumes about you too...

Me? I am spray painting Big Red "V-R's" everywhere I can...no vote for anyone. "V" is for Vendetta and "R" for Revolution. It is time like never before..


So add that to your Double Caramel Half Caff Extra Foamy Latte and suck it down!

Oh! Oh! Troll Police, gotta scram...

Originally posted by Tinhatman
"Jingle Mail": Homeowners upside down in their loans are mailing their keys back to banks and walking out.

Homeowners are setting fire to their homes as opposed to going into foreclosure.

In a neighborhood near Orlando called Lee Vista, 40% of the homes are in foreclosure.

The gunstore across the street from me can not keep low-end firearms on the shelves. SKS, Mosin-Nagants, Hi-points, etc.. are selling so fast they are putting high-end weapons on sale to make room for the cheap stuff!

Riots in a high school in Miami and this morning on the way to work a traffic camera had clearly been shot by a paintball gun.

On the wall of the local gas station is spray painted
"Revolution is coming!!!" Somehow I do not think they mean the Ron Paul Revolution in this case

Also, every single website on the internet has posts regarding revolution. Nothing can stop it now. It only grows stronger until it physically manifests itself.

RON PAUL supports the paintball industry. haha

I have my Mosin-Nagant and plenty of that hard-to-find 7.62x54mmR ammo. This is NOT the best home defense weapon, not by a long shot. The bolt action is stiff, the bullet primer is corrosive, and the gun itself is too long to use in close range.