"Poor people don't pay taxes"

reply to post by theQuest

I don't worry about my six-figure salary at all, because I work for it every day and put myself in a position to assure myself that my family will be provided for.

What, your family can't work? Why should you have to take care of them? Why can't they take care of themselves? Are they so handicapped they cannot provide for themselves?

I was never at "poverty" level, because my parents cared enough about me to make sure we weren't homeless or went hungry.

I have seen whole families living in the streets together. So tell me how they don't care about eachother again.

You were never at the poverty level, so you don't know how lucky you are, or what it is really like.

And neither of us knows what it could possibly be like to grown up in abject poverty on a generational level. There are people living in poverty today whose families have lived in desperate poverty since they were freed from slavery.

reply to post by jackinthebox

Disbelief that someone who has worked hard all their life could end up homeless it seems.

Let me ask you this. Why is it so important to you to horde all of your money, and make no investment in humanity? Are you going to take it with you when you die? No? Maybe you are concerned about your children. You want to have something to pass on to them?]


Yes, that is my investment in Humanity, assuring that my Family is taken care of in the future, and doesn't end up depending on the Gov to provide for them. Pretty good plan, huh? Imagine that, being responsible enough to not only take care of myself and my current family, but put in place steps to be sure my grandchildren are taken care of as well. That is an "Heirloom" worth protecting, and assuring that for generations behind me that my family isn't dependent on the Gov is an even bigger investment for Humanity. Imagine, if everyone would start with taking responsibility for their own first, what a better place this world would be..



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[What, your family can't work? Why should you have to take care of them? Why can't they take care of themselves? Are they so handicapped they cannot provide for themselves?

I'm talking about my children. My wife works, as does most of my family. But, there are individuals in my family who don't work, cousins who are too lazy to get a job, or who always have an excuse why they can't keep a job. I have no respect for them. Nor do I attempt to help them any longer. My wife works in the Social Services field, and has tried to get them jobs in the past. When they refused to help themselves, I refuse to continue to try to help them.

reply to post by theQuest


I told you to stop yelling. Welcome to the ignore button. Have fun talking to yourself.

Originally posted by theQuest
reply to post by jackinthebox

Let me ask you this. Why is it so important to you to horde all of your money, and make no investment in humanity? Are you going to take it with you when you die? No? Maybe you are concerned about your children. You want to have something to pass on to them?]
[edit on 4-3-2008 by theQuest]

Good point.

Why do the rich hord their money when they die? Or let it go to the next of?

Why does Bill Gates have 3 trillion dollars?

I suggest he buys individual houses/studios very every homeless person that doesn't want to be.

BTW, 4indab0x

Lol, yeah thats what I would do as well. Definetly wouldn't want attention constantly drawn to my flimsy excuses about "priceless heirlooms" and such keeping me homeless and jobless, especially when you spend so much time online you probably could have already gotten a job. I'm sure you can go to the Gov office and start getting your assistance, if you're not already recieving it, which i'm pretty sure is the case.

btw, you never did tell us, how did the job interview go?

So, in the end, we see that "poor people don't pay taxes" is a myth. A myth that is perpetuated, like so many others about poverty, to keep the average citizen living in ignorant bliss about the conditions that exist right outside their door, until it is their turn to take the plunge. It is far easier to blame people for being poor than to do anything about it. People who live in poverty have been stripped of their God given rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Why should a poor person have to pay taxes for roads they can't afford to drive on? To school systems that have failed them? To police forces that abuse them? To a broken system that only helps itself.

The real welfare queens are the fat women who sit behind the desk, collecting state wages and benefits, while finding any excuse they can to deny someone their rightful asisstance. The welfare system serves itself. It is not there to help the public.

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reply to post by theQuest


Dude, you have no freaking idea what you're talking about. All you spout is work, work,work - and the only reason why you can say that is that you've NEVER been in the circumstances the others you scorn have - by CHANCE, not skill.

For example, in the current economy, municiple and state bonds have skyrocketing interest rates, which means your wife could lose her job. And you, regardless of what job you work at, could have your job shipped overseas or downsized or just plain run out of business. Good luck finding a job when unemployment is 10% plus and you're wandering around pissing people off with your attitude. The only original thought you have is what you heard on Rush Limbaugh.

Crap, you remind me of all the reasons why I'm ecstatic that Republicans are going to get buried in the next election!

All I can say is your time is coming.

Frankly, your attitude is disgusting and I have no desire to continue listening to your ignorant rantings. Welcome to my ignore file.

And just for your information, there is a whole lot more to disability than whether or not you can spend time on a computer - such as whether you can work under supervision, whether you can work under stress, whether you can work on a continual basis, whether you can meet deadlines, etc.

Jeez, louise, can you possibly say anything more lacking in intelligence and understanding...

Bye - you're in my kill file.

For those out there who think they are safe from poverty finding them, you are wrong. Turning a blind eye to poverty, and treating it with ignorance, will only enflame it. Poverty in America is growing. The middle class is being swept away. More and more average people will be finding themselves unable to get by. Instead of making in-roads into the self-perpetuating cycle of poverty in our ghettos and rural areas, our nation is taking steps backwards, and allowing more people to fall into the abyss. Poverty is the result of modern fascism. You are all marked. There were those who did not think the Nazis would come for them, and turned a blind eye to the suffering.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the sick, the so-called incurables,
I did not speak out;
because I was not mentally ill.

When they came for the Catholics,
I did not speak out;
because I was a Protestant.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

- attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

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reply to post by AWingAndASigh



Oh, now it's working under supervision that you can't do? You are the freaking joke. Yeah, my wife's job may get cut, and my business may go under one day, but I am going to work and provide a living for my family while I can, instead of hiding behind some woe-is-me disability that allows me to sit on my butt and collect a check every month. It's a good thing most of these people on here work, because if not, there would be no assistance for you and jackinthebox to leech off of.

By the way, I would like to thank everyone who has posted on this thread so far. The points are appreciated.

reply to post by jackinthebox



if you spent as much time seeking employment instead of posting on here, you might not be homeless now. But, I understand, it's easier for you this way: Sit around and bitch about not having a job on this site, instead of doing what most people would do and go out and get one.

All you do is prove the old saying true: When you see a homeless, jobless person, there is a very good reason they are in that position, and you don't have to look any further than their own actions.

reply to post by jackinthebox


Jesus. Ignore that ignorant fool who shall remain nameless. No one shares his point of view.

Once I get my ignore function working, I shall no longer be bothered with Rush Limbaugh repetitions. I advise a similar tactic for yourself.

reply to post by AWingAndASigh


I don't worry about people like him. My uncle was the same way for years. He was a banker. His bank went bust a few years ago though. He lost his retirement, and is too old to get picked up anywhere else or to switch careers. The poor guy can't even be a Wal-Mart greeter because of bad legs from sitting all those years. He had some other investments that turned sour, and he's about to lose his house now. His wife left him, his kids don't talk to him, and he just bought a pistol. I think the reality check is going to kill him. The last time I was homeless, he ridiculed me, and closed the door in my face.

Don't you worry about the mutt stinking up this thread either. Get your check, and get better. There's something out there you can do, and I know you want to do it. Sitting at home aint all its cracked up to be. I'm glad you at least get a little help. I won't even bother going down to welfare after what they did to my Mom. I'd rather go jack some fool off his high-horse if it comes to that.

reply to post by AWingAndASigh


Woo-Hoo!!! Just picked up an email inviting me to an open job interview on Friday. Guess this computer thing ain't all that bad for my spare time. Not much else to do sitting in a cold car. Glad I have some good spots to get a signal without the cops bothering me.


[edit on 3/4/0808 by jackinthebox]

Originally posted by jackinthebox

I don't worry about people like him. My uncle was the same way for years. He was a banker. His bank went bust a few years ago though. He lost his retirement, and is too old to get picked up anywhere else or to switch careers. The poor guy can't even be a Wal-Mart greeter because of bad legs from sitting all those years. He had some other investments that turned sour, and he's about to lose his house now. His wife left him, his kids don't talk to him, and he just bought a pistol. I think the reality check is going to kill him. The last time I was homeless, he ridiculed me, and closed the door in my face.
.

Is there anyone in your family who hasn't met some fate like this? You have already covered just about everyone! You should go on Jerry Springer, that would be interesting!

He was a Banker, and lost his retirement? LOL, the stories you come up with! What kind of Banker doesn't have backup plans?I guess we know why the Bank went under then!

Hey, I have an idea, how about you and ABrokenWingandAprayer hook up and move in together, you would finally have a roof over your head, and im sure he/she has some storage space for all those family "heirlooms" you are hanging onto. Only problem is you may not both be able to be online at the same time.....

and, you have yet to update us on how your interview went. I'm sure you didn't go though, lord forbid you actually get a job.

Ok, since I got my spanking from the mods, I will post one last time on this thread and apologize. What started out as a tax thread ended up as a Welfare issue, and I am just as much to blame as anyone for steering it that way.

We are definetly different types of people with completely different outlooks towards the world we live in. Some take an optimistic approach, and some take a pessimistic one. Doesn't make anyone wrong or right, just makes us who we are.

I hope the two of you do find some peace and comfort in the future.

So, back to the topic of taxes. I think it would be fair to claim "taxation without representation" is a porblem for poor people. It makes no sense to tax people into welfare. A few hundred bucks can make all the difference to a poor person, between paying the rent and not having a place to hang your hat. Between eating and not eating. I wish the myth were true, but it is not. And it only serves to drive a bigger wedge between people who work hard, and the people who do not have the opportunity to work hard for whatever reason. I think if more regular citizens realized what the true situation was on the streets, there would be fruitful changes demanded. Instead, there is rhetoric, propoganda and myth to keep the impoverished silenced. If you are driven into poverty for any reason, you will be voiceless, even if you still pay your taxes, because no one wants to face the facts. And this is exactly what the elite want. For the people to live in ignorant bliss, divided from the people who have seen the harsh reality of how tenuous the American dream actually is. If people can't afford to pay for their basic cost of living, they should not be taxed. As an example, why should their money go to fancy new cars for the police and government agencies, when they are forced to walk?

Furthermore, people who complain about having to pay taxes to help the people who are in poverty forget that they are actually being provided a service for their dollars. Welfare keeps all the poor people controlled. They are less likely to commit desperate crimes, and less likely to wander far from designated slums.

I am not in favor of this sort of control over the poor, or the welfare system as it is now. What I am in favor of, is giving people jobs that pay a living wage, and a voice.

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Forgive me if another has already said this: the flat tax as a means to balance the fed. budget is a crock. I get tired of reading the same crapola over and over.
The truth is the flat tax benefits the rich ONLY.
Do the math.
If you earn 50k and plug in your bills and what it costs to raise the children that are going to fight he next few wars we will find our selves in(to protect the wealth), the total percentage of your income,15% for this or 15% of that will be higher than the fat cats.
They make 400k, their mortgage pmt, H2O bill, elect,etc is far less a percentage of their gross than ours.
I don't hear any rich folk I know wondering how they are going to come up with this months electric bill.
No flat tax.
We protect them, they should protect U.S.
That isn't socialism, its social responsibility.
I ain't no senators son.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


The national sales tax is the only fair form of taxation. Current tax laws are too complex and are designed to help special interests. Besides I doubt the 16th amendment was even properly ratified.

If the aged feel this is unfair, then maybe they shouldn't have been routinely voting for freakin communists like Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Clinton, Bush etc. Even at the beginning of the income tax in the late 1800's early 1900's, the rate started at only 2%! Compare that to today's outrageous tax burden both state and federal. America is a communist country IMHO.