"Poor people don't pay taxes"

reply to post by theQuest

Since you declined to respond to the question, I will ask it again: If you have nothing there for you, and you claim there are no jobs to be had, and obviously no family (or any decent ones that will help you out), WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO STAY THERE? Why not just move on to other places that do have jobs available? There are jobs here in Louisiana to be had. My wife works in the Social Services system, and she tries to give jobs away every day to these leeches in the Louisiana system, but they always seem to have some sort of excuse why not to take them. You say you are an educated man, with a college degree, the majority of us would have already moved on to where we could find work. It's not like you can say you have no place to live if you move, you have already told us you have no place to live now, so what is keeping you there?

I did not "decline" to answer your question. For whatever reason, it did not show up here in the thread last night.

You have a valid question, and there are multiple answers. The first is family. No one is in a postition to help me really, but that does not mean that I wish to abandon them. My grandmother for instance, still relies on me to get her groceries and medicine. I also have a hard time with the idea of leaving the region where my family has been living since the 1600's.

All of my things are in storage. A lot of family heirlooms, many of important historical value. I am also responsible for my brother's belongings while he is in Iraq for the third time.

And at this particular time, the most valid reason, is that I am not allowed to leave the state by court order. I expect to be cleared of the charges pending against me, but then have to decide wether or not to proceed with a civil lawsuit.

reply to post by theQuest

The ones we see are the usuals who wont leave the drugs and alcohol alone long enough to get the hel being offered.

In case you were not informed, substance abuse is a clinical illness, as is depression. These conditions are often brought on by poverty, not the other way around necessarily. And even in the cases where people do lose everything because of substance abuse, would you deny someone help because they had contracted any other dreaded disease?

Don't get me wrong, I think people should stop smoking the damn rock and put the bottle down. But I would still rather see them tucked away in a slum, instead of fending for themselves out in the community where they pose a danger to society.

I did not "decline" to answer your question. For whatever reason, it did not show up here in the thread last night.

You have a valid question, and there are multiple answers. The first is family. No one is in a postition to help me really, but that does not mean that I wish to abandon them. My grandmother for instance, still relies on me to get her groceries and medicine. I also have a hard time with the idea of leaving the region where my family has been living since the 1600's.

All of my things are in storage. A lot of family heirlooms, many of important historical value. I am also responsible for my brother's belongings while he is in Iraq for the third time.

And at this particular time, the most valid reason, is that I am not allowed to leave the state by court order. I expect to be cleared of the charges pending against me, but then have to decide wether or not to proceed with a civil lawsuit.



Your Grandmother would rather see her Grandson living on the streets than offer him a warm place to sleep? And you have other relatives there, none of whom can help you out with at least a roof over your head? There seems to be a lot more to this than you are telling this board. What kind of family would let one of their own sleep on the streets, especially when you claim to be taking care of your Grandmother anyhow?
I'm going to be honest with you, you seem to spend more time offering up excuses why you can't better yourself, than someone who is looking for a way to do so. If I had no place to live, no job to get money, and no visible way out of it there, I would sit down and write a letter to the Judge, explain why I have to leave, and then go. Family Heirlooms in storage? I would turn those over to the Family members who actually have a home. If they are relying on a member of their family who is jobless and homeless to store these, they are obviously not very importnat heirlooms to them. And what does it matter that your family has been living there since the 1600's? Do you think it is going to disappear just because you leave to find an avenue to better yourself? To me, it seems the only thing holding you down in the position you are currently in is yourself.

reply to post by theQuest


Oh, how easy it is to write off legit reasons as "excuses."

You must have no experience with the legal system either. Trust me on this. I wore a shield for four years. When you have a case pending, you don't go anywhere unless you want to be a fugitive. No excuses.

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Oh, how easy it is to write off legit reasons as "excuses."

You must have no experience with the legal system either. Trust me on this. I wore a shield for four years. When you have a case pending, you don't go anywhere unless you want to be a fugitive. No excuses.


What are you now? What could they possibly do to you that is worse than the shape you are in now? You have nothing, with nothing in the foreseeable future. You are willing to waste away living homeless and jobless because you want to be sure you make your court date? You obviously didn't post bail or put up a house deed, so if you don't show up, are they going to be performing an all-out manhunt for you, when they don't even have room for the murders and rapists that keep coming in daily? Your "family" won't even give you a floor of their warm house to sleep on? Keeping "family heirlooms" in storage is more important to you than getting yourself up out of the rut you are in? You honestly do not make any sense to me. You keep digging up one excuse after another on why you can't get out of the situation you are in. Here's a tip: Start hitching a ride south, east or west, no particular place, just head out. And along the way, stop at every single place and apply for work. Someone is going to give you a job. It is up to you to seek that person out, they are not going to come to you. Eventually, you are going to have to quit blaming or trying to help everyone else, and start helping yourself.

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reply to post by theQuest

Your Grandmother would rather see her Grandson living on the streets than offer him a warm place to sleep? And you have other relatives there, none of whom can help you out with at least a roof over your head? There seems to be a lot more to this than you are telling this board. What kind of family would let one of their own sleep on the streets, especially when you claim to be taking care of your Grandmother anyhow?

There is more to the story. A whole family going down the tubes. My grandmother can't take me in, because my mother is already there. My uncle can't take me in, because he has his whole family crammed into a one-bedroom apartment. Another uncle can't take me in, because he is in foreclosure. Shall I continue? As I already said, I am not the only one in this predicament. Now I might get a warm piece of floor now and then, but this is not a "stable housing" situation that is required to get education funding.

Family Heirlooms in storage? I would turn those over to the Family members who actually have a home.

If they have no place for me, they have no place for the valuables either. And I'm not talking about heirlooms like granny's wedding shoes here either. I have items of important historical signifigance. Everything from photos of the Hindenburg flying over the old family homestead, to books owned by FDR.

reply to post by theQuest


You can stop shouting now. Just because you have to rely on excuses now to support your argument, doesn't mean you have to shout.

What are you now? What could they possibly do to you that is worse than the shape you are in now? You have nothing, with nothing in the foreseeable future. You are willing to waste away living homeless and jobless because you want to be sure you make your court date? You obviously didn't post bail or put up a house deed, so if you don't show up, are they going to be performing an all-out manhunt for you, when they don't even have room for the murders and rapists that keep coming in daily?

Actually, a family member did post my bail against their home-equity.

Are you honestly arguing that I have to become a fugitive so I am not homeless? What a great country. Thanks for making my point for me. No wonder why there are so many people living in prison.

Sorry, I have to go now. This debate has degenerated to the realm of idiotic, and I have a job interview.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jack has left the box.

I shall return!!!

Well, I guess it's good for your family to know that while you have no home, no job, no forseeable future or goals, and your living on the streets going hungry, that the Family Heirlooms are being taken care of. Thats the most important thing, isn't it?

reply to post by jackinthebox



Then you take the standard deduction that is allowed and that reduces your tax burden to ZERO.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
Sorry, I have to go now. This debate has degenerated to the realm of idiotic, and I have a job interview.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jack has left the box.

I shall return!!!

I am looking forward to it!

In all seriousness though, Good Luck on your job interview.

reply to post by theQuest


The economy has gone into the crapper. Just keep on saying how you're invulnerable and bad things can't happen to you.

WRT the homeless, tell someone else that nonsense. Anyone who says homelessness is not a major problem in ANY American city is an ignorant fool.

Homelessness exists everywhere. With the growing housing crisis and declining economy, this problem will accelerate.

I've been patient with your nonsense, but what you're spouting is just a crock.

Originally posted by AWingAndASigh
reply to post by theQuest

 

The economy has gone into the crapper. Just keep on saying how you're invulnerable and bad things can't happen to you.

WRT the homeless, tell someone else that nonsense. Anyone who says homelessness is not a major problem in ANY American city is an ignorant fool.

Homelessness exists everywhere. With the growing housing crisis and declining economy, this problem will accelerate.

I've been patient with your nonsense, but what you're spouting is just a crock.

Whatever. You obviously know more about Louisiana by sitting in Utah than anyone here would. You see everything as a personal attack on you just because you supposedly have a disability. You seem to be online a lot, perhaps you could find employment doing something with your computer, instead of lamenting about your situation. Perhaps the people screaming at you to get out and work are somewhat justified in their anger towards you. I don't know, maybe I don't have as much insight about your situation in Utah sitting here as you seem to have of Louisiana sitting there. Must be a gift you have...

reply to post by theQuest

Well, I guess it's good for your family to know that while you have no home, no job, no forseeable future or goals, and your living on the streets going hungry, that the Family Heirlooms are being taken care of. Thats the most important thing, isn't it?

People have died over some of the things that I am responsible for at the moment. So you can end the smugness.

reply to post by FredT

Then you take the standard deduction that is allowed and that reduces your tax burden to ZERO.

Actually, the standard deduction DOES NOT reduce your tax burden to zero. The maximum standard deduction this year is $5,350 dollars.

reply to post by theQuest

Perhaps the people screaming at you to get out and work are somewhat justified in their anger towards you.

So now the truth comes out. Here we have a member who has a legitimate disability, and you are still screaming at him "get a job!"

After you had already said this:

I understand some people may not be able to work, I agree there should be help for these people

So which is it? Do people deserve help, or are you so concerned about your six-figure salary, that everyone else can go starve to death?

Speaking of your salary, you seem to know an awful lot about what it's like to be poor, sitting up there on your million-dollar high-horse. Be honest now, you got a million or two stashed huh? Some offshore tax shelters maybe?

You don't judge a man by how he treats his peers, you judge him by how he treats those below him.

Originally posted by jackinthebox

People have died over some of the things that I am responsible for at the moment. So you can end the smugness.

It's not smugness, I am in awe of how you put so much into your arguments about how you cannot get a job because of the "illegals" and such, and now it looks like what is really "holding you back" is a responsibility to keepsake "family heirlooms". "Heirlooms" that the rest of the family obviously doesn't even hold enough importance in to lift the responsibility from a homeless and jobless relative whom they also will not lend any assistance to. This doesn;t sound anything like the hard working family you were describing when this thread first began. It's definetly not smugness towards you, it is almost disbelief.

Originally posted by jackinthebox

So which is it? Do people deserve help, or are you so concerned about your six-figure salary, that everyone else can go starve to death?
Speaking of your salary, you seem to know an awful lot about what it's like to be poor, sitting up there on your million-dollar high-horse. Be honest now, you got a million or two stashed huh? Some offshore tax shelters maybe?
You don't judge a man by how he treats his peers, you judge him by how he treats those below him.

I don't worry about my six-figure salary at all, because I work for it every day and put myself in a position to assure myself that my family will be provided for. Unlike you stated where you grew up until the age of 14 in a very well-to-do home, I grew up poor, and experienced first hand how to do without. I was never at "poverty" level, because my parents cared enough about me to make sure we weren't homeless or went hungry. We moved around to wherever my Dad could find a job, regardless of whether we had to leave someplace where our family had deep roots in. I never got to go to college, but I didn't let that stop me from working my way up in every job that I ever had, until I could start my own business. No, I don't have a million dollars stashed, but one day I will, because I am willing to work for it, and to be sure that I exhaust every possible means to be sure my family is cared for, instead of hiding behind every single excuse I can think of to sit back and draw assistance from the Goverment.
And, I dont judge people by how they treat their peers or those below them, my impression of a man comes from how well they take care of themselves and their family. I don't know you personally, but when a man's family doesn't think enough of him to offer assistance when he is homeless and jobless, then I have to wonder exactly what kind of character is that man?.....

reply to post by theQuest

It's definetly not smugness towards you, it is almost disbelief.

Disbelief that someone who has worked hard all their life could end up homeless it seems.

Let me ask you this. Why is it so important to you to horde all of your money, and make no investment in humanity? Are you going to take it with you when you die? No? Maybe you are concerned about your children. You want to have something to pass on to them?

I am now the keeper of hundreds of years worth of family, and American history, that my forefathers lived and died for before they were passed on to me. These are not just "keepsakes."

And as if that wasn't enough reason, it is not the only reason for my predicament, as I have already explained. They are all real reasons. You are trying to narrow your focus to one reason in a failed debate tactic, instead of addressing the real issues. The truth is that there are many reasons. You failed to argue down the fact that I cannot legally leave the state, so now you have moved on to another subject. Try to stay focused.

This doesn;t sound anything like the hard working family you were describing when this thread first began.

You have no idea the misfortunes my family has suffered in the past few decades. Largely due to corruption. Corruption that puts people into the streets for profit. Corruption that levels family homesteads. Corruption that puts bodies in the Hudson River.

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Originally posted by jackinthebox
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You failed to argue down the fact that I cannot legally leave the state, so now you have moved on to another subject. Try to stay focused.

No, look back, you will see what I posted about that. I said I wouldn't let that keep me from leaving the state. I would write the judge a letter stating why I had to do what I had to do, and I would just go. As crowded as the system is, I doubt they are going to start a manhunt for you. Unless, your crime is worse than what you would have us to believe. When you get on your feet again, you can retain an Attorney to settle up. But, you'd prefer to stay homeless and jobless so you can make your court date. That's the part of you that I don't understand.

BTW, how did your job interview go? Any luck?