UFO snapped over Thames

As spring is here the ufo industrial complex is getting busy so we can expect a slew of these. Stocks are down from last year across the board except ATS prob because of the quality of membership.
So please do not feel guilty for looking at it with a critical eye.
What caught my eye is what caught many based on photo experience, being in vehicles themselves and seeing odd reflections like these. I was curious if the pavilion at thames is open at 330 to four am in the morning? as I noted the ferris wheel was on and lit.. It may well be..but would have riders or customers noticed something like that considering it shows itself reflecting light along its rim, from below or from above..?! so it is solid or reflection of something solid..that photo of mini cooper if it was that, was very convincing..and very little substitute for real experience. Kudos to all posters for their keen eye and level heads..

[edit on 28-2-2008 by Sys_Config]

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Yes, you are entirely correct. That's the case but I didn't go into details. As for the ufo chasing the car I think the the other explanation might be that the size of the object is enormous. That might explain why it seams that never changes position IMO.

Not that this adds anything to the discussion necessarily but last time I flew into Heathrow in the early morning I was very surprised when the approach, at relatively low level, brought us directly down the river affording very close views of the London Eye and Tower Bridge.

Altitude was probably much higher than it seemed but I could discern individuals.

Not sure whether any relevance or not, other than that position of the plane would have been approximately where the UFO is, although at greater altitude.

Twice the same angle seems very strange.

got a pic here when out sking

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I think its a genuine UFO
Looking at the quality, think it was taken by a camera phone. The lighting on the object match the surroundings as well. It is one of the best footage I've seen.

I believe the picture is real, but I don't believe its a UFO.
I believe its the reflection of a can of coke/beer that was refelcted by the flash on the camera phone.

So for me, reflection off hte lid of a can of coke/beer (other drink in can), in cars the holders are often in the middle, and the light would reflect to the window screen easily.

The angle would also make sense of a cans reflection, passenger would be in the left hand seat, so the can would be to their right, giving the right angle for that kind of effect...

Without reading what others think my immediate response was:

1. The angle of the UFO is the same in both photographs despite being at different locations.....suspicious.
2. Hang on....they were photographed from a car!

So there we have it they have photographed a reflection on the cars window!

regards,

It's the dashboard of a Mini. First take the UFO crop it and flip it horizontally. You now have the dashboard as it would appear if you looked into the car. Stop your mind from seeing the image as convex and instead see the image as concave with the rim being a reflection off the trim. Hey presto its all so obvious!

Now compare that image with the following:

farm2.static.flickr.com...

Note the hollowed dial to the right of the steering wheel.

End of mystery I'm afraid.

Please note I believe in alien civilizations but this ain't it!

Yeah, this is not a real UFO, look at the photo closely as though it is a flat image, it could almost be a grubby fingerprint of a little bit of rain that got onto the lens.

reply to post by II HAL II


Hmm definitely not the same model mini as the one with the metal twin rim speedometer, and the dash structure and layout are different to the one I posted somewhere on page 1 of this thread.

The photo was taken with a camera phone rather than a digital camera so there was no need to use the flash in any reconstruction photo's in fact the lens on a camera phone is tiny compared to a digital camera too and produces totally different results, so to get a more accurate reconstruction a phone should be used.

Well done for the effort, it means a great deal to a lot of people here at ATS when people step away from their screen and get involved like this although we are still struggling to identify the culprit vehicle.

Someone mentioned a post showing in the photo, well if you look hard at the photo you will realize that if this is a reflection you would be able to see right through it as it is closer to the eye, it depends on how you perceive it as to whether it is in front or behind it can actually be either.

I am still going with the idea of this being a reflection of a speedometer dial in some sort of car, which make and model I am not sure but I will keep working on it.

Thanks again for you efforts II HAL II

Its the refelction of a coke can.
Speedometer reflection is too upright an angle.

A flash on the camrea phone would be needed, as when taking pictures from a phone in the dark, you would get hardly any picture at all, which is what caused the reflection.

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Hi guys- I just registered although I have been observing the different forums for quite some time. This time I think I actually might have something to add.

What I noticed when I saw those pictures that stood out to me was:
1. The angle was almost the same between the two picture even though the object was at a different location in the picture (and setting).
2. The color of the illumination on the object changed between the two pictures.

When I looked closer i noticed that the color of the illumination actually seemed to match what would be reflected from a light source if you observed what was in front of the car. In the first photo there is more of a blueish glow that is almost just like the headlights of a car "under" the object. In the second photo the color of the illumination looks like the surrounding lights.

Next, looking at the angles of the photographs looking out the car, you can tell that in the second photo it was taken more toward the front of the car compared to the first which is a little more out to the right. In other words, it would make sense if the object was stationary on the windshield to show up in the different locations in the photos and have the same angle.

My conclusion was it would make a lot of sense if this "object" was just a chip in the glass of the windshield. It would reflect the light that was around it and would stay at the same location on the windshield. It would also be one of those things that you wouldn't really pay attention to when taking a picture as well.

Just my thoughts,

Spyked

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Wow nice discovery internos, i almost believed this thread. good job for those who did this remarkable hoax solution!

Originally posted by 0bserver1
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Wow nice discovery internos, i almost believed this thread. good job for those who did this remarkable hoax solution!

Thanks but i've just putted on images fiftyfifty's and xSMOKING_GUNx's
constructions: so, if this turns to be that, then they deserve the credits.
I honestly was looking for a matching shape in that area of London's landscape

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thanks.

Its true there are different layouts of dash for the mini so I cant speak for those and you could be right.

I guess the reason I still don't think its a mini interior is because it I just couldn't line up a picture to get the front of the car in it (like the OP's first picture) and still be able to pick up a reflection of the speed dial in the windscreen. The camera (regardless of type) would have to be right up against the windscreen to not get the dash in it as well as getting the front of the car, reason is the the mini's front is very short and dips down, so its hard to see when from inside. If the camera is right up against the windscreen how can it pick up the reflection of the dial like it has, to me the angles don't look right but I guess I could be missing something, and I don't rule out it being a reflection from some car.


Here's an image from the net that shows how hard it is to see the front of the car... even when the picture has been taken at a very downward angle you still cant see the front of the yellow mini through the windscreen.


Now look at the OP's picture and how much of the front of the car is visible... if this is from a mini, it must be right up against the windscreen and if it is how do you get the reflection of a speed dial that looks like it does.
www.thesun.co.uk...

The next question I'm asking myself is..... does this principle apply to all cars? if it is taken right against the windscreen as it seems to me from the OP's first picture. And the windscreen is the thing reflecting or showing the image this thing must be vary small from inside (pin size). Or could this have been taken from outside the window as the picture also suggests, then that means its not a reflection of the windscreen at all.

reply to post by II HAL II


The thought just popped in to my head that maybe because it is so prominently lit and so close to the phone, the dial could be reflecting directly on to the curvature of the camera's lens and thus becoming part of the photograph.

I guess we will probably never have the answer as there is to much information missing from the statement to make a full analysis.

Shame, but I wont lose any sleep over it.

Well done to everyone taking part on this thread too, nice to see some friendly productive ambition here.

Regards S_G

reply to post by xSMOKING_GUNx


I don't know if this has already been pointed out, but it seems that there's another photo:

Editor, cameraman and UFO researcher Chris Martin said: "I was looking for evidence that these have been fabricated.

"I couldn't find any evidence. It's unprecedented because she produced three pictures, which seems to show it's flying.

Now, where is it? I wonder why the Sun didn't publish it ...

reply to post by internos


Yes, I think the absent third photo has been mentioned before somewhere.

The problem with that photograph is; if it is again at the same typical angle as the other two it will lend favor to the dial theory as that would place the 'UFdial' in three separate places flying at the same angle (making the same banking curve)

We could do with a lot more information especially the final photo to come to a reliable conclusion.

Regards S_G