UFO snapped over Thames

well it's either REAL (which looks like it) but the angle of it makes me wonder! IF it's fake, well it's not a bad fake!

Guys,

Everyone appears to be stuck on the mini dials reflection.

I agree it looks like a reflection.

It looks to me like a perfect reflection of the London Eye itself that is in the photograph reflecting off the car window.

The lights around the edge look the same as the lights around the London Eye

And,

As an englishman, i can confirm that the Sun is possibly the worst paper in the UK.

what difference will it make real or fake?
seriously, what will change , if 30 more pictures of this craft thta were taken by 30 differnt people at differnt angles show up on the web; what then? how will that affect humanity...


this is more disinfo. we're getting distracted form covert ops happening right now, as we speak. tahts all.

First impression, too crisp.

The similar angle of the object is also strange.

I agree with the previous posts, it seems to be a reflection of something inside. It may or may not be the speedo but it could be anything.

It would depend on what car/bus/van/truck they were in, what exact camera used, what other people were doing, and what objects were illuminated in the vehicle. I am sure if one took a few pictures of the interior of the vehicle that we could find the 'saucer'.

Originally posted by fiftyfifty
A second thought on the speedo.. it may not have been taken through the windscreen. It could have been taken from the rear passenger seat through the drivers window, from the passengers seat across the driver or from the nearside rear passenger seat across the driver through the drivers side window. There are many angles that these photo's could have been taken from. Reflections would be different from all of these vantage points.

Thats certainly something for the reconstruction photographers to consider when thinking about the trial angles.

How are you guys doing anyway it is dark down here in Cornwall, have you had any luck yet?

Originally posted by lob (UK)
It looks to me like a perfect reflection of the London Eye itself that is in the photograph reflecting off the car window.

The lights around the edge look the same as the lights around the London Eye

I myself considered this when I saw the first shot, but the second photo at the bottom of the article is taken down by Tower bridge and would'nt reflect the London eye, let alone in the same area of the photo.

Regards S_G

Posting from the pub - had to visit some friends - god bless wireless internet in boozers.

Will do it when I get in...

Have no fear good Sir,

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No problem I myself am heading for the bar shortly and I thought I would check in before I left.

Will probably be back in the early hours and will take a look and see if you have managed to put the sun to shame.

Regards S_G

Rev Meter, IMO. It's udside down (due to reflection?). If you look at the top left of the 'dial', (which would be the bottom right) you can even see the dial markings change to a box pattern which represent reaching max rev speed, ie 8000, 9000, 10000 RPM.

It becomes clearer once you realise that that it's not an outward, convex? object its a concave object.

Originally posted by lob (UK)
It looks to me like a perfect reflection of the London Eye itself that is in the photograph reflecting off the car window.

The London Eye has a series of lights, all around: the lights should be the first thing to be reflected: where are them in the reflection? Where is the bright light at the center of the London Eye, in the reflection? I barely see a small yellow point: shall i assume that is that one?
Where is the "double circle" effect in the London Eye? Where is the "zig zag" pattern in the reflection?
The two shapes are DIFFERENT, IMHO.

Besides:

The images - taken around 3.50am - were taken eight minutes apart as Karolina and two pals drove through Central London.

www.thesun.co.uk...

NO, i don't think that that's the London Eye's reflection ...
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Welcome back, more_serotonin_pls
about your previous post, i agree: we're just at the start of our constructions, an what we should be interested to is the truth:
glad to have you too on this one


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internos put the right initial spin on this, but we need much more. Original photo, more detail from the witless, er I mean witness, and the reason such a rag as the Sun would post such un-researched questionable drivel.

Is not the Sun the equivalent of the Inquirer (who was started by the CIA by the way)? Anything to grab your eyes to sell at the checkout line. If it bleeds, it leads. But this has no blood. Just a picture without a compelling story.

The fact the witness did not notice this is the first interesting note. In perception, the mind will filter out things the brain already accounts for, like foreground, reflections or out of focus imagery. The witness did not see what the camera saw, because the parallax on the dashboard image (or whatever) was possibly accounted for in the visual cortex as not a part of the scene. The same as the viewer does not mistake the black sides of the square image as the end of the universe.

There does seem to be some structure on the left side in the sky, but on a dashboard you would expect more lighted instrumentation. Maybe hidden in the bramble below. With hundreds of thousands of dash designs, you would need to have make, year and model of the car, where she was sitting, what side of the car the shot was from and how the car was oriented, if she was drinking or other such data. Without that detail there is no way to know much more.

I also note that the "object" should be lit on it's underside from the ambient light of the city, as it looks within a reasonably low altitude, and not lit only on the side. The comment "appears to emit a mysterious blue light." is a cue. The only mystery is why it is lit incorrectly to the environment we seem to see it in. That it is blue is of no consequence.

The original image is so noisy and the fact the magazine site locks the image so you cannot do processing locally makes this more trouble that it might be worth.

I would do a screen grab, but generation after generation would shift color pixels so you would not be able to rely on actual colors to separation in filter and contrast pushes. You can try.

Other witnesses? Any radar, or sightings in the area at the time? All to many unanswered or unanswerable questions, and I usually do not even waste time on such possibly dead-ended investigations.

Real UFO investigation asks all these questions, and if no answers are available, usually it is shelved. Have at it though. Many here seems to have a talent for this.

My initial is that it is mistaken imagery.

ZG

Originally posted by internos
Well, someone mentioned the Mini Cooper...

Image source
blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com...

Nothing of conclusive, of course ....

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looks like the reflection off the dashoard

My mini -



Flap over dial to stop reflection (picture with flash)



Attempt 1 with no reflection (picture without flash) I attempted 4 times with the same result, I then tried with flash...... and finaly got a reflection

Rev counter....


Reflection of the BACK of the rev counter.... ( sorry picture on its side)


So far - The reflection picture needed a flash, the dial is only shown from the back, the rest of the dash is visable not just the dial, the reflection doesn't distort or bend hardly at all because of the window concave.

More coming.....

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Originally posted by lob (UK)
I agree it looks like a reflection.

I imagine that it would be quite a coincidence for a UFO zipping by to have nearly the identical color value of the headlight of the car in the photo below it. That, and considering that there are other light splashes from other sources in the photo, tend to suggest to me that it's some kind of reflection/refraction of the automobile light.

I mean, aside from the fact that here would be a relatively large object that nobody (including the photographer) seems to notice at the time.

Oh, and that photos don't mean diddly poop by themselves anyway.

All in all, it adds up to about 15 minutes of my time I can waste looking at the photo and making a comment on a forum. Fifteen minutes closer to the grave.

Part 2 -

The other thing I noticed was that I could not get a picture to show the front of the car, like the one in the OP without getting the windscreen wipers in the picture too.... or some part of the car. I think this was taken with a hand outside the window, I challenge anyone to get the front of the car, not getting any part of the interior and also being able to pick up the reflection of interior instruments in the window (i.e not putting the camera right up against the window from inside).



I just want to add at this point I still dont think this is a UFO, its looks fake but I dont think its a Mini interior either.


More coming.....


As a side note, in every picture it was impossible NOT to get some part of the interior in the frame because the car is so small.



[edit on 28-2-2008 by II HAL II]

I should not have called the Sun's post "drivel". I was commenting on the usual fare of posting sensation as opposed to investigation. They saw an opportunity to run this to grab on to the UFO buz. I was reacting, not reflecting.

I did get the images and are running them through some filters, but as suspected the are too noisy and low res as I suspect the original is from a phone cam. We would have to rely on story, location, car details as such.

ZG

I'd think if it was a reflection of the speedometer, and given the possible angles it would most likely be in a side window rather than the windshield. Mini owners might want to try out angles from the right rear seat to front left side window or something like that.

Originally posted by icblue
I'd think if it was a reflection of the speedometer, and given the possible angles it would most likely be in a side window rather than the windshield. Mini owners might want to try out angles from the right rear seat to front left side window or something like that.

That's what I think is the best possibility. Not enough detail on the situation to account for lens angles. Again, car, position etc will show enough to prove the reflection theory or not.

Hal, try from different seats and angles to get the reflections. Great work too! That's good investigative. I should go out into my Honda and do this. No time today. Wife wants the car for tasks.

ZG

[edit on 2/28/2008 by ZeroGhost]

Originally posted by more_serotonin_pls
While it does certainly look like a mini speedo (yep - another ATS mini owner here - we should get a gallery going on BTS) I can't see how it would reflect onto the windscreen based on the positioning of the speedo on a mini - or any other car to be honest. They are near enough vertical.

I seriously don't think this is a UFO. For starters it would have been huge - it would have been ALL over the paper - not in the type of redtop that prints nonsense about my fellow Liverpool fans.

Not sure what it is - but I'm convinced it aint the real deal.

Im with you More_serotonin anything that remotley smells of the sun garbage in my opinion isnt worth the paper its printed on after their selective news recording in sheffield that day i doubt anyone could ever forgive their crap , i def wont share a story of theirs even if it was the real deal, it needs to be reported by someone respectable.

Its nice to see another reds fan on here.

Originally posted by ZeroGhost

Originally posted by icblue
I'd think if it was a reflection of the speedometer, and given the possible angles it would most likely be in a side window rather than the windshield. Mini owners might want to try out angles from the right rear seat to front left side window or something like that.

That's what I think is the best possibility. Not enough detail on the situation to account for lens angles. Again, car, position etc will show enough to prove the reflection theory or not.

ZG

Look at the first picture, it shows the direction of traffic and the front of the car, its from the front.