Martial Law…

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by sparda4355

 

I like this poster

Good topic. Very Calmly Combative... decent

Anyone else going to chime in with their 2 cents?

I missed that you said this... My girl actually just pointed it out and I wanted to let you know I appreciate that! Thank you

Originally posted by sparda4355
Update:

In addition to this my girlfriend was just randomly selected to partake in a study that was designed to determine how safe the average person feels against a terrorist attack… Now during the study, they showed four scenarios of terrorist attacks!
[edit on 27-2-2008 by sparda4355]

Alright I will now post in its entirety everything I know about the focus group I participated in on February 20th, including the discrepancies about the event as well as odd events that have taken place after I participated..

I was first emailed about the focus group. Department of Homeland Security sponsered focus group and it gave me a special address to apply online, i'm not sure what it is now... I applied online had to give my social security number cell and home numbers addresses, current occupation and race and age. I was then told I would be notified within 7 business days if I was to be accepted or denied to be part of the study. Received paperwork saying congrautlations, you have been accepted to participated in this focus group with consent forms to sign. I wish I would have copied those forms, I do have a two page information sheet about the study in my possession. They offered at this time to pay me $100 for my travel time to participate...I mailed my consent forms back including consent to be vidotaped and audio recorded... the thing that scares me is that i don't remember it saying AT THE STUDY...

When I arrived at the building everything but the lobby and the room we were in and hallways were completely black. i noticed the lights were off in the bathroom and toliets had already been cleaned. the receptionist waited outside the bathroom door for me to be finished and said i wouldn't be allowed to go while the study was going on..which wasn't entirely correct we got a fifteen minute break in which we were allowed, under her watchful eye to use the toliets!

All the men hosting the event were observing us watch the terrorist scenarious. they were four in all. 1) oil refinery's two of them, bombed by al-qaeda causing gas prices to soar and numerous injured. which actually happened this week... well they blew up is all we know. major news channels aren't covering it for some reason
2) backpack suicide bombing killing thousands across the country in malls during holiday shopping season
3) small pox invasion by terrorists starts in massachutsets spreads across country 2000 die... vaccines administered but there is a shortage
4) internet fraud bank cards blocked millions of atm's down. People couldn't access money for weeks!

we filled out a baseline questionaire before watching anything about how our confidence levels are currently with the government in preventing or stopping terrorist attacks
we filled out an additional questionaire after each scenario took place to see if our levels changed SPECIFICALLY for the type of terrorist attack depicted AND the general fear and confidence of terrorist attacks other than depicted in video.

Thomas Baldwin was the one who was in charge it was supposebly a study for the Dept. of Homeland Security however he was not there and the number to contact him is just a general voicemail for the focus group study. There were several moderators, what i call them, around

I was the youngest there were 6 other focus group participants four of them at least in their 60s and up.. two of them in there fifites. there were 3 women and four men including myself. I'
after we were done watching the videos, and took our break. we went on a one and one interview with a selected staff member. we were only known by numbers.

on the majority of my questionairs i saw the host giving them to the computer tech to input for the graph, whispering and talking about my questionaire. but NO ONE elses did they do that with.

the one on one interview lasted approx 20 minutes. there was a video camera and voice recorder set up. The man that interviewed me was named Jim.

He was about 50. He said he'd been with XXXX for 20 years. It said something like. C.O.O on his badge however he was wearing the same glasses as in the picture and it looked like the picture could have been taken that day. where his name was was a white piece of paper stuck in the badge that simply said JIM. THAT'S IT.

He asked me questions on if i could raise my confidence level in the govt how much money would it take for me to either take the money or raise my confidence we settled at like 45% of my weekly salary to raise my level anything else i would have taken the cash. NO CASH WAS GIVEN this was some sort of hypothetical test.

then he asked if i wanted to lower my confidence level in the govt preventing terrorist attacks. how much money would i say no to... we came to 49% . he seemed VERY bothered about how little faith I had in my govt to prevent terrorist attacks. He kept trying to get personal info about my family but they werne't supposed to he was very interested in me...

He said that the dept of homeland security is putting into play a bunch of factors to prevent terrorist attacks and that he can't tell me because i don't have clearance to know. HOW DOES HE HAVE CLEARENCE BEING AN XXX EMPLOYEE?

When i left not one of the interviewers said anything to the interviewees when they left.. i turned around and i heard him say, "well number 10 (my number at the study) i wish you good luck!" i turned around and he wasn't smiling like typically when you wish someone good luck. so i said thank you and he nodded. I was the only one of the focus group participants wished luck.
I am convinced 99% sure that after 45 mins of logging onto the internet at the library i saw him in a hat, but same glasses, come in and sit down behind me, i caught him looking at me. i left.

Also they said we weren't being reported to the irs because we only made 100 and we have to make 600 for them to report it. and even though there was supposed to be no access to our personal information after the study to get our check we had to write down our social security number and sign a form. He said they had to just incase we made more than 600 with XXX studies in the future this year.
This makes no sense why would't they just wait to see if we hit the $500 mark this year then ask for our ss# they have our name and info anyway so why not just wait and see if they call us back???? PART 2 COMING U

The only problem I see with this theory is they would have to admit the nation is out of control to bring martial law. And how exactly will he benefit from this. Martial law would end up in anarchy this day and age. Plus the first thing that would happen is a bunch of people like me would go for mob justice against the government. Our current situation is not even close to warrant the advent of martial law and no politician will admit defeat and say everything is out of control. They maybe able to enact it in one city of our country but even this is unlikely. Not a bad thing to watch out for but it ain't gonna happen!

Update:

I was finally there with her when "we/she" was followed... and quite honestly... THIS WAS WEIRD...

She spotted one of the people from the focus group (people running it) at borders when we were walking around… He was clearly paying attention to what we were talking about… We stepped outside (to make sure my doors were locked in my car) but kept our eyes on the door the entire time…

Per your requests I wanted to take his picture so I got my phone out and we went back in within 1 minute (never taking our eyes off of the door)…

We searched every square inch of borders and he was nowhere to be found…

It is like he went out the fire exit after we spotted him!

reply to post by azblack


Well as I mentioned early in the thread... People are already to the point that they are begging the government for help! They are scared to send their children to school, shop at the mall, or even enter large buildings! They think our kids our out of control, they think our nation is going to hell and they want good old uncle sam to fix all of our problems...

They will bring up "martial law" without using the words....

They will tell people we will keep their children safe by putting armed gaurds at our schools, in our airports, and keep us all under Surveillance... They will sell it and the media will help! The average person will beg for it!

They do it all the time! We beg for them to take away our rights as if we can't handle the power that goes along with them!

Go to the streets, talk to the average adult between the ages of 35-55 they will all say the same thing! (assuming they are not part of a gun club! lol)

update: If you read this thread, one of the people replying already agrees with (or agreed with before he read a lot of info on this thread) martial law being the fix all!

another update: for the record, if you ask me... we are like 2 or 3 more school shootings/mall shootings, or terrorist attacks away from it being commonly accepted as our only defence against all that is going on in America!

[edit on 29-2-2008 by sparda4355]

[edit on 29-2-2008 by sparda4355]

Originally posted by azblack
The only problem I see with this theory is they would have to admit the nation is out of control to bring martial law. And how exactly will he benefit from this. Martial law would end up in anarchy this day and age. Plus the first thing that would happen is a bunch of people like me would go for mob justice against the government. Our current situation is not even close to warrant the advent of martial law and no politician will admit defeat and say everything is out of control. Not a bad thing to watch out for but it ain't gonna happen!

So you can say with utmost certainity that martial law will not be declared? Well I'd have to disagree I'm not saying it will happen right now, I'm not saying it won't. And it did happen in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina if you remember or did any research. If you read my post and more than one of those situations came true martial law would be instated it was in two of the scenarios I saw on the video clips. If terrorists starting bombing malls across the country and smallpox was activated again martial law would most definitely happen! When I asked the man interviewing me at the focus group this.. "You say you are doing measures to prevent terroist activites but can you prevent the mall bombings depicted? Can you prevent the small pox infestation depicted?" He took a deep breath and sadly said "No."

The goverment really doesn't have to give us a real reason or not. just like the weapons of mass destruction lie to get us to support the war. You'd be naive to think that government is always truthful with us, or even mostly truthful with us. We get fed a bag of lies everyday for breakfast and people like you just accept it. Open up your eyes and see what's really going on around you. I'm glad you found this site, it will help guide you but you need to give yourself the power to see around you. I hope for the sake of argument you are correct "it ain't gonna happen" but sadly I am pretty sure you are mistaken.
Martial Law will be instated without a doubt the only question is WHEN?

[edit on 2/29/2008 by diana]

A temporary martial law as the stated in the Katrina instace lasted what a week. Living in close vacinity to this when it happened it's important to state this city was out of control. After the law abiding citizens left it was as if a riot ensued in flooded conditions and lasted for a couple of days. It was total chaos. I doubt martial law would be enacted and our military turned against our citizens just because people are scared. And I don't see it probable that a random attack in a school by some opressed gothed out kids could possibly warrant putting troops on the streets so when this happens once every two years or whatever they'll be ready. This doesn't come even close to warranting martial law. If the whole country is acting like the people of New Orleans during the hurricane then okay, but I don't see that happening.

Furthermore the implication that I need this site to further my intellegence and I'm lost and need to wake up is a direct insult and I don't take kindly to this type of prodding. It is also forbidden by this website.

If I need to wake up I'm afraid I would see we have already lost our rights and they don't need military rule to do it. All they have to do is play to the fear that's being displayed her by ya'll.
My I.Q. is 156 but this don't mean anything the same as your're insults to the like!

reply to post by azblack


You are merely stating your opinion like the rest of us. We dont care what your IQ is... mine is at 182... want to play the toss coin game? not a good idea.

While I do agree that school shootings is a small...very small excuse to get involved Militarily... and others azblack... good points but dont go off on the subject... go off an explain why you are going off.. otherwise it just seems that you are completely disregarding everything. keep and open mind... nobody is holding your head and making you believe this. I dont believe it all... i do feel its related... AS EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED... REMEMBER THAT. Youll be dreaming about it tonight i hope. Dream of Cirlces and White Lights... then Dream of the Earth and the Sun. Everything in the solar system started somehow... Same chemical formulas and everything. We are connected physically to this earth cause we are composed of the same things the earth is... What i just said is jibberish but true. Everything is connected... keep an open mind... once again.

The idea of this thread is to discuss it and figure out what could be going on. Unless all of us get cameras, film crews, state of the art spy equipment... I dont think toooo much is going to be solved.


Diana

I will tell you why this guy has clearance. There are people in society that have great ethics and served our country before and serve our country as civilians - even tho CIA and all of them are considered Civilians for the most part. This guy cannot tell you because you dont need to know... why you dont need to know is because I might say somethign to one person and not have all the facts causing mass panic... panic is not what they want. They have to be able to trust you with the facts first. A wise person sits and listens, he doesn't really talk....

Originally posted by azblack
Furthermore the implication that I need this site to further my intellegence and I'm lost and need to wake up is a direct insult and I don't take kindly to this type of prodding. It is also forbidden by this website.

Whatever... first of all... she said very nicely she is GLAD you found this site because it would help to open your eyes... That is what this site is designed to do, isn't it?

You obviously are over sensitive... and I appologize if you take that as a direct insult... but you are welcome to have your own opinion, just try to be thoughtful in the way that you present it! Some of the things you said, in the way that you said them could be taken as offensive...

By the way... I can say I am 7 feet tall... that doesn't make it true! What are you trying to prove with your IQ? lol

reply to post by rjmelter


Well although I agree that there are good people working for the government, and I do agree that you have several valid points... I do not agree that this study was designed to do what they claimed it was designed to do... Before I even connected this "study" to what people have been saying about martial law being a very possible reality in the near future... everything she told me about this study didn't make sense!

Remember, the scenario's they were using were not preventable... Not with out guys with guns walking around with fully automatic weapons...

So... why do a study on how protected we feel against terrorist threats and then give us examples that we really couldn't possibly feel protected against?

It's like saying how sure are you that you are going to win the lottery, and then after you say, well not very... they tell you that your odds are 1 in 1 trillion... that isn't going to convince you that you WILL win the lottery, it confirms the fact that you WON'T!

They put a bunch of seemingly distrustful and paranoid people into a room, showed them scenario's of terrorist attacks that would scare the "crap" out of the average person, and then said... do you trust that uncle sam can protect you, and when they said no... They answer with, why not... there is a lot of stuff in place, I can't tell you what, but trust me there is! (come on... does that make any sense?)

If that was truly the study... it was the biggest waste of 650,000 dollars since the white house bought that "solid gold toilet seat"...

reply to post by rjmelter

The only instance which prompted me to state this I.Q. score was not for any type of comparison or otherwise. The person I replied to dismissed my opinion as stated because of the claim my naivity would shield me from the truth, then went on to say they were glad I have found this site because I need guidance and am incapable of looking around and deciding for myself.
I also stated this score meant nothing just as the insults towards it meant nothing or proved nothing. But my intellegence was indeed brought into question by the post I replied to and it was for her not directed at you, thanks for andding insult though it really proved alot.

My satement was that our nation is in no way near the condition of New Orleans at the time of martial law being enacted. This is a very valid arguement, and if the only response to this are the remarks to my intellectual integrity maybe I'm not the one being unreasonable.

Let's get past the question of whether or not I'm smart enough to hold a converstaion wth ya'll and onto the facts.

Why would the govt. declare Martial law when it would obviously prove their failure.
Does school shootings once every year or a natural disaster every two give them reason enough to enact this military action among citizens.

Is our current condition out of control as those times such as post Katrina anarchy.
This blatent abuse of power would completely undermine the republican party and ruin any respect given to them by the American people.
We are already close to being under a police state sort of govt. with current repeal of rights under Patriot Acts. Why do they need to go any further?
Also the martial law really only works if people agree it is needed or it would otherwise result in revolutionary type state of the nation. I know I would revolt if this were to happen.
These are all very valid points and I believe they don't need this drastic action as noone really knows if they will lose power this election period. people still want to vote republican and such actions might ruin this.
I remember the Govenor of Louisiana asking for this martial law to be enacted, martial law is still governed by our checks and balances system, he doesn't just order martial law and get away with it for an extended period of time.
I guess time will tell and these statements don't mean I blindly trust anyone in govt. actually the opposite is true. But a person has to be realistic and I fear this conspiracy is not. sorry!

Originally posted by THIseNdsnowoldKings
that is why certain US police forces were/are trained for urban combat recently.

This is something I have done some "checking into" with some contacts that I have in the marines and in the army...

Very true!

Now one could argue that helping to "rebuild" Iraq could be one reason... but as RJ likes to point out everything is connected... It also would be great misdirection to avoid questions from being asked and suspicion being aroused!

reply to post by azblack


Well lets start with your claim that martial law means our government failed…

I disagree… people are complaining that the government just simply is not involved enough… They think that we can’t handle the problem without the government… as in the police are not equipped to protect our schools, our malls, and our streets… (just examples)… so the government wants us to believe that we can’t do it without them… Until they employ martial law, they have not failed because they were unable to be involved!

I agree we are not rioting on the streets, but that isn’t the only reason they would employ martial law… Remember, and this is an example and barely related so bare with me… Certain states wanted more money without raising taxes… so they decided they would start ticketing people for not wearing seatbelts… but they need our approval to pass such a ridiculous law, so instead of coming out and saying… Let us start ticketing you for choosing not to wear your seatbelt, they sold us… They filled our heads with children, and teens dieing in car accidents, they convinced us that we couldn’t handle this issue on our own and the employed us to pass a law forcing us to do what we could have just done on our own… We were dumbfounded that all of this was going on and begged for such a law to pass!

Just think for a moment the amount of brainwashing that took…

We voted for cops to be aloud to pull us over when we are running late for work and ticket us for choosing not to wear a device that is designed to do nothing more than protect us… Does that not amaze you? Are you not dumbfounded by our ignorance? We could have just said… NO we can wear our seatbelts on our own without being annoyed and ticketed… Nobody says thank you when they are given such a ticket, nobody! So why allow the law to pass? They tricked us… showed us a fear and smacked us with a fine!

This same concept is being used for martial law… They use the media to show us how “out of control” our teens are, how unsafe our schools, malls, and airports are… They convince us how helpless we all are, so that we all come together, get on our knees and beg our sweet Uncle Sam to come protect us… Take away our writes, please… WE can’t handle them… Put soldiers in our schools, our airports, and watch us 24/7… We don’t care about privacy we just don’t want to die!

THIS IS NOT FAR FETCHED! PLEASE PLEASE REALIZE THIS!

(Look... I agree... lets stop the bickering! That is my girlfriend you were defending yourself against! she was not trying to be offensive, I was sitting right next to her when she typed it, this is a great thread... I don't want it to get ruined... U2U me if you want to discuss that more! please)

Originally posted by azblack
reply to post by rjmelter

 

The only instance which prompted me to state this I.Q. score was not for any type of comparison or otherwise. The person I replied to dismissed my opinion as stated because of the claim my naivity would shield me from the truth, then went on to say they were glad I have found this site because I need guidance and am incapable of looking around and deciding for myself.
I also stated this score meant nothing just as the insults towards it meant nothing or proved nothing. But my intellegence was indeed brought into question by the post I replied to and it was for her not directed at you, thanks for andding insult though it really proved alot.

My satement was that our nation is in no way near the condition of New Orleans at the time of martial law being enacted. This is a very valid arguement, and if the only response to this are the remarks to my intellectual integrity maybe I'm not the one being unreasonable.

Let's get past the question of whether or not I'm smart enough to hold a converstaion wth ya'll and onto the facts.

Why would the govt. declare Martial law when it would obviously prove their failure.
Does school shootings once every year or a natural disaster every two give them reason enough to enact this military action among citizens.

Is our current condition out of control as those times such as post Katrina anarchy.
This blatent abuse of power would completely undermine the republican party and ruin any respect given to them by the American people.
We are already close to being under a police state sort of govt. with current repeal of rights under Patriot Acts. Why do they need to go any further?
Also the martial law really only works if people agree it is needed or it would otherwise result in revolutionary type state of the nation. I know I would revolt if this were to happen.
These are all very valid points and I believe they don't need this drastic action as noone really knows if they will lose power this election period. people still want to vote republican and such actions might ruin this.
I remember the Govenor of Louisiana asking for this martial law to be enacted, martial law is still governed by our checks and balances system, he doesn't just order martial law and get away with it for an extended period of time.
I guess time will tell and these statements don't mean I blindly trust anyone in govt. actually the opposite is true. But a person has to be realistic and I fear this conspiracy is not. sorry!

Much better So then the question is... What do you believe? I saw what they were saying... but keep in mind both parties are/were annoyed? or something. It does not take brains to have an intelligent conversation... some people consider me dumb because I ask a lot of questions and can sometimes be ignorant... Im not arguing with you so much as just trying to see with your reaction if your an individual who is worth having a conversation with or just someone who is clearly Anti-Workable with. lol (my vocabulary stinks). You do seem level headed and understanding... i liked how you elaborated btw

I feel though that maybe it did seem odd, but then... not everything makes sense... the guys doing the testing were obviously government. I do not believe though that it would be some grand coverup. I think simply is they know something big is about to go down and they are trying to figure out a way to handle the mass histeria... sp..? Also other things I would add to it but i am not sure where to begin i would have to reread Dianas post again and again.

I did see a common point in their studies though.

First off would be rationale for money and necessity

Second would be rationale for money and obcession-things we dont need- why terrorists would even go there im not sure besides the fact that they think these social events are what corrupt society... mass spending on crap we dont need and we just do it cause brittany spears and some other really famous dude did it. The media advertises crap all the time... its nothing new really. (More useless information... due to all the sexual content on TV'S today a lot of people are starting to lack a the correct amount of a Neurotransmitter- this corresponds to the sexual stimulus and how we are trained to get used to Sexual content and that its natural in our daily lives... this deals with the brain somehow ... I wish i had the time to elaborate and the links but I found it the other day. And right now im getting aggressive and would push my oppinion so im in need of backing down.

Third would be rationale dealing with a biological threat

Fourth would be rationale dealing with Money, Necessity to eat, and our reliance on technology.

I am not sure but it appears to me that they know what they are researching because given that a threat would and will happen... America is not prepared for such an attack. I think maybe they could be searching for some clues as to what they could do... who knows. I like this thread and I think we should get back down to the basics and analyze the occurnce of the day a little more deeply.

[edit on 29-2-2008 by rjmelter]

Originally posted by rjmelter
I think simply is they know something big is about to go down and they are trying to figure out a way to handle the mass histeria... sp..?

I don't know if you got a chance to read my last post yet? I think they were doing a study on mass hysteria... The only thing I disagree with is that you seem to think they were doing a study on how to prevent it, whereas I think they were doing they study on how to spread it!

Look at how I broke down their study... If they were trying to prevent fear, they would use terrorist examples that are preventable...

For example... Terrorist smuggling bombs onto airplaines... We clearly have working plans that are open to the public on how to prevent this (mostly "rape" every passenger before they get on the plain... to put it bluntly) or putting chemicals into our water supply... we clearly have a way to prevent this, we test all water on a regular basis, we would instantly notice this "chemical" being introduced into our water supply and send out warnings (boil orders)...

The examples they used... small pox... that is freaky, at this point COMPLETELY unpreventable and clearly causes panic... WHY USE THIS SCENARIO if you are trying to CALM people down?

For another crude comparison... Do you feel safe that you will never again catch the common cold? Well do you? Let me assure you we have several action plans in offect (I can't tell you what they are) but I assure you... you will never again catch the common cold! Then the next day you run into 7 people with a common cold? DO YOU FEEL SAFE AGAINST THE COMMON COLD?

OF COURSE NOT! lol because there is no way to prevent it!

reply to post by sparda4355


I dont know. I know i wont get the flu though lol. I work at a gym and all of the employees downstairs and upstairs have gotten this new thing and I haven't gotten it yet... thank you God Those people have been out for a minimal of 4 days. Things are getting worse... Id start building that radiation proof bunker... if you never use it hey atleast it makes great storage

Originally posted by rjmelter
(More useless information... due to all the sexual content on TV'S today a lot of people are starting to lack a the correct amount of a Neurotransmitter- this corresponds to the sexual stimulus and how we are trained to get used to Sexual content and that its natural in our daily lives... this deals with the brain somehow ...

[edit on 29-2-2008 by rjmelter]

No offense dude... I like you, but... what?

wow did I get confused trying to follow this reply... It might be because I am tired, or it might be because you got a little off track, but I honestly had a hard time following this reply even to the point where I could rationally respond to it!

I PROMISE I am not trying to be offensive and I know sometimes words can be taken that way when you can't hear my voice inflection (sorry I am in phone sales) but I just got too confused!

To attempt to follow this reply I would say that although you make a valid point about them looking for ideas, the glove doesn't fit man... OJ is innocent! LOL

They were not looking for answers, I can only say that with conviction because if they were... they were NOT asking the right questions!

The study was SUPPOSED to determain how safe we ALREADY feel against terrorist attacks...

The only problem was, as I have tried my best to point out... They were using scenarios that we could NOT POSSIBLY feel safe against!

NOW... I am only willing to continue to try to get my point accross because I do believe this study and the possible employment of Martial Law are directly related...

Remember, they need to spread mass hysteria quickly in order to get us to beg for and actually embrase martial law as a good thing... it is the only way it will work... that being said doing small focus group studies and trying to create fear (which diana clearly had after this focus group because the first thing she said was, I want us and our kids/family to all get the small pox vaccine) and then watching it spread (ie: following her to see who she talks to, who she "freaks out" and how fast it spreads) can directly help them come up with ways to make doing it on a massive scale more effective!

reply to post by sparda4355


Well I would say if that was their intent you are doing their job for them...

Sorry for the one liner! I just thought it was relevent.

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by sparda4355

 

Things are getting worse... Id start building that radiation proof bunker... if you never use it hey atleast it makes great storage

I feel as though you might be humoring me just a little bit with this comment, but I will agree with you on this... What grown man on this planet would not want to have a underground radiation proof bunker in his back yard??? Some guys have tool sheds, some guys have study rooms, I would have a solid concrete state of the art fully decked out man fort with all the necessities (satalite tv, high def, surround sound, unlimitted supply of canned beans, canned soups, gourds of chips and salsa, and 100's of boxes filled with playboys!)

back to my point though, it's not about being paranoid or scared, heck that is what they want... I just mean simply being prepared for the worst! Plan of action!