Martial Law…

Also yes It was off topic... I had something i wanted to explain and completely forgot to come back. Im too tired as well. Im running on 4 hours of sleep and have just been up for about 20 hours (4 AM - 12 AM).

Repost what you said earlier.. maybe if im forced to read it again ill shut up and come up with something better lol or rather repost what diana said.

I was humoring a little bit, but in all seriously with all the things going on globally in the news, around my town and state... then on ATS... im wondering how long it would take me to afford this bunker... probably til 2012... And according to other threads it will be too late. Bunkers wont be much of a help though with what the Govt can do with their satellites......

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by sparda4355

 

Well I would say if that was their intent you are doing their job for them...

Sorry for the one liner! I just thought it was relevent.

One liners are fine as long as they get a point accross, so no problem...

I do however (as you would probably guess) disagree... I am not doing their job for them... I am not calling people up and telling them to get a small pox vaccine or not to go christmas shopping at malls early this year... I am warning people against what they didn't suspect we would pick up on...

They didn't think we would make the connection between that study and the strong possibility of martial law going into effect... They thought Diana and her fellow volunteers would get out of that focus group and immediatly start freaking everybody out that terrorists are going to kill us with small pox, that if we go shopping at the mall we are going to get bombed... They wanted to study how quickly information like that would spread... They would calculate how long it would take before the "rumors" would get back to them and then use that mathmatical equasion to do the same thing on a larger scale...

Come on, you have to admit what I am saying makes sense?

If not... than I am crazy and must be a paranoid freak!

Originally posted by sparda4355

Originally posted by rjmelter
reply to post by sparda4355

 

Well I would say if that was their intent you are doing their job for them...

Sorry for the one liner! I just thought it was relevent.

One liners are fine as long as they get a point accross, so no problem...

I do however (as you would probably guess) disagree... I am not doing their job for them... I am not calling people up and telling them to get a small pox vaccine or not to go christmas shopping at malls early this year... I am warning people against what they didn't suspect we would pick up on...

They didn't think we would make the connection between that study and the strong possibility of martial law going into effect... They thought Diana and her fellow volunteers would get out of that focus group and immediatly start freaking everybody out that terrorists are going to kill us with small pox, that if we go shopping at the mall we are going to get bombed... They wanted to study how quickly information like that would spread... They would calculate how long it would take before the "rumors" would get back to them and then use that mathmatical equasion to do the same thing on a larger scale...

Come on, you have to admit what I am saying makes sense?

If not... than I am crazy and must be a paranoid freak!

It makes sense... But I think... (from what I know of the Government and media.. (considering the actual military hates media and it is the congress and that political stuff that loves media) That... The military will be used as a rag doll... Just like normal. I dont think the military is that dumb or naive... and I doubt that it is also this simple because there are a lot of things that Civillians have no clue about... such as the actual number of terroristic threats that are stopped daily....

OKAY... I want to try to bring up something that I think is important and I put in the initial thread and it was hardly discussed thus far...

A few people started to look into this and then we lost it like 5 pages ago....

I think that there is a strong possibility that the "kids" doing these shootings could be being controlled by the government... as in brainwashed... There is a lot of info on this that I am going to try to bring to this thread...

but to start with...

The last shooting at NIU which is very close to my home... The kids at columbine that did the shootings were seaking revenge on those that picked on them... They were pushed and pushed and pushed until they snapped...

This shooting was not like that... The kids he shot up didn't even know him, he didn't know them, it was completely random? It didn't make any sense at all... I am not saying somebody in that state of mind should make a ton of sense, but generally something rationalizes the actions they are taking... How do you rationalize going into a school and shooting at random kids trying to start their life?

From what I have heard, the media kept the "killer's" identity secret for a suspicious amount of time, the kid (who new he was going to kill himself) wiped his laptop clean, and doesn't fit the profile?

The theory is that the government is brainwashing these kids to act as pawns and carry out these unbelievible actions so that we blaim ourselves and society and beg for the government to step in and protect us/our kids!

I have not done much research on this part of the theory, it matches and lines up with other parts of the martial law theory, so I added it...

What do you guys think?

reply to post by rjmelter


I totally agree that it is not this simple... There is A LOT more at play, these are just some of the things I brought up in the thread...

I am glad you can see my points though!

I have no problem with "most" of our soldiers... Those boys and girls are out there protecting us and puting their lives on the line! So please don't think that I am against them!

I do have a problem with the people in control of the soldiers... and it is not about being naive as you put it... They are brainwashed, broken down, built up and trained to do what they are told... I am not just saying this, I know people in the marines and in the army... They agree with me! Most of them think that they were able to fight the brainwashing, but they live it everyday for so long, it's not an easy thing to do!

If you have any close friends that have joined the forces, and you hang out with them later, they are not the same person? That is my experience! Maybe it is because they are more mature, maybe it is because they have seen things we only see in the movies, but part of it if you ask me is the constant beatings their brains took on a daily basis!!!

O.K. with those small points I made earlier with regards to my I.Q. I apologize deeply to all reading this thread it was perhaps a jump to conclusions.

I do in fact see the need for increased awarness of governmental actions however be aware it will NOT be CALLED martial law this was outlawed after WWII, without congressional approval.
However the President does have the ability to activate National Guard troops in a State of Public Emergency. Here's the quotes from Wikipedia directly related to this discussion, I don't always trust Wikipedia so this took me a while to verify through the numerous constitutional sites on the net sorry it's so long but it directly shows his power and limitations:

"The martial law concept in the U.S. is closely tied with the Right of habeas corpus, which is in essence the right to a hearing on lawful imprisonment, or more broadly, the supervision of law enforcement by the judiciary. The ability to suspend habeas corpus is often equated with martial law. Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion, the public Safety may require it."

In United States law, martial law is limited by several court decisions that were handed down between the American Civil War and World War II. In 1878, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 rescinds these limits by suspending habeas corpus. Since, USNORTHCOM [5] has increased its direct involvement with civilian administration.

The National Guard is an exception, since unless federalized, they are under the control of state governors. [6]. This has now changed. Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122), was signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, and allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities. Title V, Subtitle B, Part II, Section 525(a) of the JWDAA of 2007 reads "The [military] Secretary [of the Army, Navy or Air Force] concerned may order a member of a reserve component under the Secretary's jurisdiction to active duty...The training or duty ordered to be performed...may include...support of operations or missions undertaken by the member's unit at the request of the President or Secretary of Defense." [7] The President vetoed the Defense Authorization Act of 2008 on December 27, 2007.A provision in the 2008 defense authorization bill would have repealed this section of PL 109-364. [8]"This quote is from Wikipedia

The national guard doesn't have the power to control the nation, or maybe we are just referring to an extended term. Either way I see the need for concern,but do not see the conversion to a police state plausible.
Also martial law was not enacted in New Orleans,I and other posters were wrong I also verified these claims:

"Contrary to many media reports at the time, martial law was not declared in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, because no such term exists in Louisiana state law. However, a State of Emergency was declared, which does give unique powers to the state government similar to those of martial law. On the evening of August 31, 2005, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin nominally declared "martial law" and said that officers don't have to worry about civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters. [9] Federal troops were a common sight in New Orleans after Katrina. At one point, as many as 15,000 federal troops and National Guardsmen patrolled the city. Additionally it has been reported that armed contractors from Blackwater USA assisted in policing the city.[10]"-Wikipedia-

Extremely sorry for length but felt it needed clarification!

Thats the longest post I've ever made again I'm sorry but these are the facts. Also I'm just learning to quote from external sources so...that didn't work right!

reply to post by sparda4355


This is in reply to your being with your girlfriend while spotting the guy who is following her. If it happens again in a public place with a lot of people around, she should just walk up to him and in her loudest voice, ask him if he remembers her from the focus group on terrorism!
It might get other people there to get a good look at the guy if she says it loud enough.

That ought to put him on the spot, and also she would have witnesses if anything else happens with any of this.

reply to post by azblack


I agree... I have mentioned they won't use the word martial law to employ martial law... It will be under a facade!

Wow dude... Are you like a dictionary? tell me you copy and pasted that technical mumbo jumbo... lol

reply to post by Enthralled Fan


Good idea... and trust me... she would do it too!

I love this though... I feel like I am in a game! We were followed again tonight by a SUV dark blue/black two tone! Dealer plates...

Can't mention how or where we were followed or what we were doing... That's kinda personal... but we were in fact followed!

I will tell you this, it started at panera and we were hanging out posting on ATS with my laptop...

reply to post by sparda4355

Nah, I couldn't remember the first sentence of that quote the way they worded it! I couldn't get the external quote system to work for me, I did place Wikipedia as the source directly after closed quotations! sorry for the confusion. This quote does raise important questions,'ol Bush enacted the National Public Emergency act to respond quickly to situations such as Katrina. But it conflicts with the acts forbidding it, it also says congress tried to repeal these acts, but it was vetoed by the pres.
After Katrina we were directly hit by Hurricane Rita. The National Guard was moved in immediatly after the storm hit and we were not allowed to reenter our property. They set up road blocks and the whole nine right there on the interstate, they wouldn't let me exit, even though I had a drivers license proving I lived there! Of course I just went around on back roads, really easily but it did give me an uneasy feeling.
The aftermath led to investigation as to why this was allowed and it came out finally local leaders were mostly to blame. They no longer are in office. This situation got pretty bad and is hard to explain everything that happened,but they blocked the delivery of gas and groceries even though the infrastructure was there to support it, almost starving us out.
Like I said after it was said and done the people displayed their distrust of such a system and laws were passed locally to forbid the govt. from having this control over us. That's the reason I say the govt. would be motivated to not do this as it would create immense backlash among citizens. Every person in office at the time of hurricane rita was voted out right after!

reply to post by azblack


Well I do agree that there will be great backlash, and I am fully aware that they know this and fear this...

However...

I think when/if they do take these actions, they will trick "us" into asking for it, so they won't have to fear the backlash... They will actually get us to vote for it... Thus my whole fear theory...

or...

When/if they choose to employ this... it will be just the beginning of something much worse... As in the government trying to maintain control over our borders... I mean long term...

I mean attempting to accomplish one world order, like secret societies actually coming out and attempting to carry out their destinies they have until now only been able to dream about...

They could be infiltrating our governments (and are if you ask most people) so that they have enough power to create one world order through nothing more than brutal force!

OKAY… I MUST BE GETTING TIRED…

I am fully aware I am all over the place right now! Lol

reply to post by sparda4355
With our current system today I wouldn't be surprised at anything the people voted for, We'll probably vote the voting system out soon!LOL
Martial law is already enstated now with our restrictions on rights and so forth so this whole topic is really a moot point. I must be tired too if I put the word moot in here, rednecks don't talk like that!?

Originally posted by azblack
Martial law is already enstated now with our restrictions on rights and so forth so this whole topic is really a moot point.

No... not a "moot point" lol

There is still a lot to prepare for... as in the guys with guns taking over our streets, our homes, our schools, airports, etc...

You saw first hand how quick the power went to their heads on a small scale... Now imagine for a moment if you will what it would be like if it was all of America...

It is a scary thought, thus the original point of this thread...

Also note, although we attempt to not allow history to repeat itself, it always seems to find a way!

I just remember learning about how the Jews were treated when they were forced to enter the concentration camps, and how people stuck up for them and tried to hide them, but nobody formed a union and fought back (I mean on large scale, I am sure small groups of people through rocks and got shot)... I remember being baffled and wondering why they were not better prepared for such an event... To me it just kind of seemed like they all just sat back and let it happen!

I mean as a society... I know they didn't have a lot of choices and don't get me wrong... I know there is a lot of emotion involved here... all I am saying is if somebody busts down my door with a fully automatic weapon and I have to defend my girlfriend, our kids, or even my damn refrigerator… They better have their finger on the trigger!!!

reply to post by psychedeliack


Sure glad I don't live in the US!!

Though I'm sure Bush & his good Ol' boys will have a contingency plan for that

Wonder how He'll keep the masses of his allies under control...?

Specially here in AU, where the average joes outnumber our troops & police by around 100,000 to one..lol

We'd just laugh at yous guys & ignore it completely & basically tell our Brown nose government to go &^$% its self if they tried to follow Bushes commands..

If Bush truley wants world domination, he'll have to make sure his allies follow suit & in some countries (like here in AU), that simply isn't possible cause they don't have the man power to enforce it.

Only option there would be Annexation or occupation. Doubt the US could streatch its own resources that far for very long. I know the Romans tried it & look where that got them..

reply to post by Ironclad


I new there was a reason I always wanted to visit there... lol

I don't think "bush" is going for world domination, just one world order... There is a difference, one requires force... whereas the other just requires cooperation... Not saying he is capible of either yet... but if we believe in the whole 2012 concept it might just be plausible for either!

Who knows... I am more worried about losing our rights here in America, because that would happen way sooner than anything else!

reply to post by Ironclad


Hi Ironclad,
With recent developments in the U.S. I have seriously looked into moving permanently to Australia. I admired the way that the gov stood up and told the belly-achers, "If you don't like the way our country is run, go back where you came from!" I saw a lot that America could glean from Aus's backbone.
But the thing that concerns me, is that if this NWO takes place; will it really matter where we live?

Originally posted by sizzle

But the thing that concerns me, is that if this NWO takes place; will it really matter where we live?

Well... I would still say yes...

If you choose to "not" follow the new world order, you might want to be in a place like AU where there are still huge forests, places to hide, and lost of people willing to stand up for what they believe in!

I haven’t had time to read all of this thread and I apologise if this has already been covered, but I think the preparations for martial law are a pre-emptive contingency for dealing with issues outlined on the following website. I suggest you read it carefully:

www.exopolitics.org...

Here’s an extract:

The emphasis on possible societal upheaval due to growing UFO sightings was reminiscent of recommendations of the 1953 Robertson Panel, convened by the CIA, which identified adverse public reactions as a major security threat that could be exploited by foreign enemies. The UN discussions appeared to match concerns identified in both the 1953 Robertson Panel and the 1961 Brookings Report to the U.S. Congress, over ramifications of UFO reports and the eventual discovery of extraterrestrial life.

I sincerely believe that something big is about to happen.

Best wishes and good luck to you all

Myrdyn


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