Zeitgeist The Movie helps the New World Order

Originally posted by Cythraul
- Christians generally find it to be inaccurate.
- Non-Christians generally find it compelling.

I still don't understand why Christians are singled out in this topic. The OP might have said they were Christian but the topic is Zeitgeist and it's take on all religions as a whole.

Zeitgeist and many Atheist movements call for the dissolution of all religions.

Of course Zeitgeist is compelling. The idea that the world is controlled through occult means with organized religion and government is a compelling idea that every person should be aware of.

Funnily enough, I happen to remember a guy who was murdered by the state after preaching the corruption of organized religion and the government. I think his name was Jesus Christ?

Hmm...

Originally posted by Nola213
Old Religions as are being discussed here, are based upon faith, not fact. So anyone here who is a Buddist, Christian, Muslim, or what have you;

You will not win ANY arguments with FACTUAL evidence, because there is none, actually most of what is said of the creation and birth of jesus, is a scientific impossibility

So again, beleivers....All you have is your faith; or more accurately, "your fear" (of going to the hell), that these religions depict.

'Old Religions' are extinct. Everything has evolved into different branches of philosophy. So you're right, there is no 'factual evidence' that we have eternal souls and that our moral actions affect our immortal souls. No 'factual evidence' whatsoever, besides ones own experience in life.

What is said about the creation and birth of Jesus was said about Zoroaster and Osiris and every other deified individual.... of course it is legend, not fact.

Finally, there are countless Buddhists, Christians and Muslims who do not subscribe to the 'burn-in-hell' philosophy pushed by the Vatican. This is a concept that is used by atheists to discredit almost all religions which in fact do not subscribe to the hellfire theory.

Funnily enough, I happen to remember a guy who was murdered by the state after preaching the corruption of organized religion and the government. I think his name was Jesus Christ?

Shhhh, no one is supposed to notice that part.
We're still too busy trying to make him disappear entirely, by
making false accusations.

I can see how any belief system can be manipulated, regardless of whether there's a faith in a higher power element involved or not. And that appears to be the problem to begin with. Any time a group or government tries to manipulate the citizenry to wipe out other folks based solely on a stereotype, you know there's big trouble in the works.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
Christians are so self rightious. They are hypocritical in the sense they say they come in the name of god and Peace, yet they then go into muslim nations and start wars there.

My friend, the Christians had nothing to do with the war in Iraq. The Illuminati controlled Bush white house was responsible.

I defend Christians all the time, they are not to blame for the evil things that other people do in their name. Bush is a Satanist, do you really think he was representing the 'Christian right' at any point in his life? Nope : he only deceived them. The ironic thing is, Christians themself should have seen it coming, the Bible tells them the anti-christ will try to seem like one of them.

But can we blame them for the actions of a Satanist? Can we blame them for being fooled? Can we blame the Muslims? Can we blame anybody but the Satanist Illuminati? Not really. The general public, religious or non-religious, are all manipulated daily by the same influence.

If Zeitgeist were focusing solely on the manipulation of all religion and all government by the Satanist Illuminati, that would be so very refreshing.... instead we are still shaking our fists as Christians for something a Satanist white house accomplished through lies and deceit.

[edit on 22-2-2008 by NewWorldOver]

I have an idea on ALL this religion debating stuff.

How about trying to see what the other person is saying????????
Rather than trying to put our own beliefs on a pedistal while attacking everyone else for being whatever.
Your going to disagree, that much is a given.
But not every person that disagrees with you is an evil/ignorant/whatever what not.
Disagreement is A FACT OF LIFE!!!
Lets get over it.

But wait.
That would mean there is no one to feel better than if you practiced that.
How would you have any self esteem without someone to bomb on. *rhetorical question*


It's ALL BELIEF. You believe science or you BELIEVE the Christian Bible.
It's all things made up by fallable creatures for fallable creatures.
Belief = think something is a fact
Not whatever semantic word wrangling so many try to pull off to lend more weight to their arguments.

And as for the Zeitergeist stuff OP.
I agree.
If there is a massive conspiracy controling everything as so many are fond of assuming anything that supposedly tells "the truth" would be suppressed or twisted to suit their purposes.
Not magically slipping out to "enlighten" the masses.

That is one thing that gets me about CTs they give entirely too little credit to the people that supposedly do and did this stuff.
Especially considering they have been able to quietly climb to power and maintain it for how long now?
And yet they would leave massive amounts of retarded mistakes that anyone who wants to see beyond the facade can see because of the leaks the size of the damn Mississippi.
With fantastical elements through out.



[edit on 22-2-2008 by WraothAscendant]

yes it does and the scientologists and rosecrutians etc, look at history, look at geneology and DUH.

I find it very disturbing the amount of Christian haters here @ ATS.

Christians, as much as anyone, search for truth and answers to the lies all around us.

If someone who is a believer of Islam posted on this board, and I did not agree with his beliefs, I would certainly not attack him nor his beliefs. It is low and bad form to be this way.
Why?
Are we not, ALL of us here @ ATS for a common goal?

Deny ignorance ....

Hating Christians, hating anyone IS ignorance! It spoils the whole purpose and like minded "community" atmosphere of this place when posters jump into a thread and start spewing forth their poison of hate.

It is this attitude that turns like minded searchers of truth into abusive, insulting and hurtful attackers of other like minded searchers of truth. The circle is complete and truth itself is lost in the process of hate.

I really believe people need to take a step back and remember your fellow forum member is nothing more than a searcher of truth, regardless of personal belief systems, we are all here for the same purpose. This makes us a community. A community of like minded people. Are we not ABOVE petty bickering, insults and hate towards those of different faiths?

Belief systems are one of the strongest emotional chords in the human psyche. This is why religion and politics bring out such emotion in people. The level playing field here @ ATS is we are all members of a community of people (regardless of religious or political beliefs) searching for a common goal of truth behind the lies.

Ripping into someone's religious or political beliefs does not convert them to your's - it does the complete opposite. But most importantly, it derails an entire issue that could be beneficial to all.

If your using ATS as a place to hate, you are doing a disservice to the entire community.
Instead of hate - educate! There is a difference. It all comes down to attitude.

We all can practice a little maturity and self restraint. It shouldn't be hard when you keep in mind, that regardless of religious or political beliefs, the person your attacking is a fellow memeber who is searching for truth, just like you.

OP, I wanted to thank you for your thread, I've thought this before but do not think I could have said it as well as you did. It seems to have dissolved (as far as I could read) as an us versus them thread, but that was not what you were putting out there. I think it is about thinking outside of our own box, no matter what that box is.

It disturbs me how divided we all are these days and as long as we see our neighbors as the enemy, we are screwed. Excellent post OP, thanks.

reply to post by Vikturtle


It always goes that way here on ATS.
Have yet to see any sort of accord trying to be reached beyond each side expecting a complete capitulation of the other side that will never come.

I've been hearing quite a lot about the rise of the New World Order for many years now. And do you know where I've gotten most of that information from? Christian eschatology.

Christian Eschatology spends more time warning us about the New World Order and it's deceptions than any other source of information I have ever heard of. This would especially be true in regards to the one world religion that the NWO plans to establish. So it goes without saying that one of the most important things that the NWO would need to do in order to accomplish it's goals is discredit Christianity.

So now we have Zeitgeist, a rather slick and amusing slice of disinformation. Basically, Zeitgeist took the evidence of the rise of the prophesied New World Order and tried blame the whole thing on the very religion that has been trying to warn us about it all along.

I've said it before and I shall say it again. Sorry folks, but I smell a rat.

there's an ancient sumerian text called "ENKI AND THE WORLD ORDER."
Most who study the topic of Enki for a bit, realize he's the equivalent of the biblical Satan and the Egyptian Ra, with the occassional resurfacing in places like the King of Tyre. So NEW WORLD ORDER is Enki revisited, I guess. *shrug*

reply to post by Lightmare



Agreed in part.
I think Christianity is set up against any one world power that is not a Christian one world power, it's all in Revelations.
So what we have in essense is two wanna be one world powers clashing.

IMHO of course.

[edit on 23-2-2008 by WraothAscendant]

I once heard someone say " Those waking up to the NWO are helping create it ". Either way the resistence seems to come out on the worst end.

[edit on 23-2-2008 by Albert Wesker]

Originally posted by WraothAscendant
reply to post by Lightmare

 

Agreed in part.
I think Christianity is set up against any one world power that is not a Christian one world power, it's all in Revelations.
So what we have in essense is two wanna be one world powers clashing.

IMHO of course.

[edit on 23-2-2008 by WraothAscendant]

christianity is not a world power. if it was, there would be no greed or war or poverty, etc. it would be an utopian society and since that ain't happening and hasn't happened since time immemorial, it's a pretty good guess that christianity in its truest, most scripturally complete application, is not a world power.

reply to post by WraothAscendant


I think most Christians who have actually read and understood Bible prophecy pretty much know that there will not be a Christian World Order until Christ himself returns to establish it.

Of course we do have those right-wing evangelical fundies here in the USA who think they can "take back this country for God" by trying to legislate morality. But even they know that all they are really doing is delaying the inevitable.

And they're doing a pisspoor job of it too.

Originally posted by Lightmare

I think most Christians who have actually read and understood Bible prophecy pretty much know that there will not be a Christian World Order until Christ himself returns to establish it.

yeppers. you said it. if i've learned anything as a christian, it is that the nature of the physical universe in its current incarnation requires this interplay of light and dark, negative and positive, good and evil. to expect creatures subject to this type of existence to be capable of an utopian society without an all knowing, all loving, god is the epitome of naivete'

reply to post by depth om

with all due respect....depth...how are we suppose to represent the human race as a forward-looking, advanced, and benevolent race, if we are not a congruent, all-encompassing people, that does "NOT" have a problem with excepting other species from other worlds. if we cannot unite into one "earth race"...how can we be taken seriously into a group of "elightened and intelligent life forms" ready to join into the type of cosmic nieghborhood that is being shown to us, through the obvious visitations of the various craft and/or peoples from other planets?

Originally posted by jimmyx
reply to post by depth om

 

with all due respect....depth...how are we suppose to represent the human race as a forward-looking, advanced, and benevolent race, if we are not a congruent, all-encompassing people, that does "NOT" have a problem with excepting other species from other worlds. if we cannot unite into one "earth race"...how can we be taken seriously into a group of "elightened and intelligent life forms" ready to join into the type of cosmic nieghborhood that is being shown to us, through the obvious visitations of the various craft and/or peoples from other planets?

well there's the hitch. we are currently (my theory) the ETs on this planet. it wasn't our original home. the original occupants have long since expanded out into the universe and are pretty much in charge of events in the hereabouts. take a look around. they aren't going to welcome with open arms, any benevolent ET race because they plan on playing out that role when they finally reveal themselves to us. they will conveniently forget to mention that they've been directing our affairs for the last 6000 years, unless of course, it is to take credit for our creation.

so when and if a truly friendly ET race attempts contact, they will have to deal with the stranglehold that's been on this planet and this system, for a very long time. at least, this is what my research has concluded.

[edit on 23-2-2008 by undo]

This Zeitgeist movie, was it like an Oscar nomination of something?

Why do people get so worked up about some obscure video hardly anyone will ever see? I'd never heard of it until I looked at this thread - and I'm pretty sure not one single person I personally know will have heard of it, let alone seen it, either.

So hardly looking likely to change the world, destroy Christianity or usher in a NWO

reply to post by Essan


True.
But a lot of people on here treat it as something akin to a televised bible.

Go figure.......