Zeitgeist The Movie helps the New World Order

Originally posted by italkyoulisten
reply to post by undo

 

Please show me where it says this in this translation of the Shakaba Stone:

www.touregypt.net...

This is the land ------the burial of Ausar in the House of Sokar. ------ Auset and Nebt-het without delay, for Ausar had drowned in his water. Auset [and Nebt-het] looked out, [beheld him and attended to him]. Heru speaks to Auset and nephthys: "Hurry, grasp him ---." Auset and Nebt-het speak to Ausar: "We come, we take you ---."

Ausar=Osiris
Auset=Isis
Heru=Horus

Old Religions as are being discussed here, are based upon faith, not fact. So anyone here who is a Buddist, Christian, Muslim, or what have you;

You will not win ANY arguments with FACTUAL evidence, because there is none, actually most of what is said of the creation and birth of jesus, is a scientific impossibility, so stop bringing up religious fact, you will lose those arguments to any agnostic/atheist/scientologist.

Your religion is based on on stories, that have been passed down from ages ago, and things get lost in translation, while the essentials do not, haven't you ever wondered why all the similarities these religions have? It's because it was one "story" made up long ago, and over the centuries, has been broken up and changed a bit due to the location and mindset, and culture of the regions it was taken to.

So again, beleivers....All you have is your faith; or more accurately, "your fear" (of going to the hell), that these religions depict.

Faith-

Mental acceptance of and confidence in a claim as truth without proof supporting the claim.

That being said, it is real difficult to have a logical discussion with anyone of faith that may call into question their belief.

As far as the movie Zeitgeist is concerned, what about the other parts of the movie. The idea that wars are created to bend the will of the people. That conditions are created to bring about change, and that change is not always for the good of the people. Is that not more important than squabbling over the first 26 minutes?

Originally posted by dingleberry77

There's no point arguing with a Christian. Christians are always right. It's like yelling at a stone and telling them that they are a turnip.

Man .. you people disappoint me so much..

Take a look at yourselves, what you've written here.

This poster makes a good thought out post on a decent topic with decent content, when we know how many hollow, stupid, or outright pointless threads that get made by the dozens around here.

The fact is .. nobody wants to deny ignorance. People enjoy conspiracies, people enjoy thinking that they have somehow stumbled upon information that contradicts 'the norm', that they are 'in the know', elitism to be short. So all of you follow the leader, elitist, show me the money, weak willed people who blindlessly follow this crap, this Zeitgeist lies, and other videos like it that are lying to you, all of those of you .. need to wake up and start being objective. Start doing research on the topic matter of whatever video it is.

So anyways .. someone says Zeitgeist is BS, and throws their own conspiracy twist on it, and you guys give him one liner replies like "Christians " , and other comments that are derogatory toward Christians.

What is your problem you racists? Stop being ignorant, stop discriminating people that you do not know on the basis of what you assume to be their religion. Not only that, but you bandwagon jumpers think its cute and all to go with the tide, to hide behind the louder people with an occasional "me too". Know that you are participating in ignorance, discrimination, and racism.

And I don't want some smarty pants telling me racism applies only to races, it also applies to other discriminating factors that make each and every one of us individual, different people. You know what I mean by this.

Enough is enough. I am not coming after you? Christians arent coming after you? They dont say "Screw em, they're lost .. might as well kill them, send them to hell early because theyre worthless evil people", do they? That's because that is not the standpoint of 95% of Christians, 99% of the Christians on this website. You want it to be, you wish it was, so you could have something else to talk bad about said people.

It's rather ridiculous, and I sit here reading this crap .. and I am serious, I swear to God this is what I thought when i read this.. and I am psuedo-Christian/Monotheist devoutly, and anyways I read this and my honest thought that comes to mind is this:

"Well damn people, totally disregard all he has to say because of his Religion, regardless of if what he is saying is directly about that Religion. What's next? You might as well start trying to lynch us up in the streets?"

The hatred toward Christians that bubbles beneath the surface of our society is reminiscent of the way Germany was post World War I, pre World War II. At first, The Jews were tolerated. Then, slowly and surely .. they were demonized more and more, over the years, that whispers became chants and groups became crowds. You may as well go ahead and make the next move, you guys should just go ahead and start the full out public discrimination campaign against all Christians, eventually demonizing them and beating them in the streets, locking them up in camps and killing them?

Is this the direction we're going? Go ahead and reply and say "I sure hope so." because I'll reply back and say, "Me too, for the simple fact that I'll get to own a couple of your discriminating arses before you lynch me up .. best believe that. But i preach non-violence, but I will defend myself and those who need to be defended.

Shame, shame on those who have hatred in their hearts..

I am a Christian, and you hate me and those like me for that reason more so than I hate outright worshippers of Satan, people who ritually sacrifice human beings okay. You hate me more than I hate them, on a belief basis. That should tell you something, and its that more of you are full of hate than you realize and need to check yourselves.

[edit on 2/22/2008 by runetang]

It must realy suck being atheist in the USA.. jeez relax peple, be happy there is more then one.. may'be "jesus" is way more common then expected..so what? for as far as i know people are still interpeting the bible to this day, as for the koran and all those holy books, no wonder nothing is forsure or certain.. nobody can claim the truth with religion.

[edit on 22-2-2008 by ThemacX]

runetang, you sound very passionate about your position. But I do not think that anyone here is saying that Christians should be lynched. It is also my opinion that discussing different points of view is not the same as hate. I do not hate you because your belief system is different than mine, just as no one else should hate because others are different.

According to the FBI's own statistics, there are no known accounts of ritualistic torture or murder committed by so called Satanists, so don't go hating something that has no basis for reality.

runetang, I love you man

[edit on 22-2-2008 by mother_jung]

I'm sorry, religion IS one of the worst things that exist nowadays, but you have to keep in mind that the movie isn't about turning everybody into atheists, it's about freeing ourselves from spirituality-business.

I'll try to explain what zeitgeist didn't about Jesus and other avatars, might sound a little bit forced but from what I've researched is true, and it can be verified by one of yours, really credible, a guy named Edgar Cayce.

Jesus is the last one (at least until now) Avatar incarnated here (yes, we reincarnate), he's the one representing this era and probably we'll have another one when we enter the Aquarius Age.
Alike everybody think, his birth was planned, his parents were high members of secret societies at the time that were prepared and chosen by their, let me say, skills. When I say skills, I mean manipulation of chakras, extreme developed ways of meditating, knowledge of sacred geometry and many other subjects which Masons learn, in fact they can verify this whole post.
Jesus, since he was born, was known as an Avatar, he was trained and mastered the occult arts @ Egypt, specially studing
Buddhism, married, had kids and traveled to many other places, such as oriental countries. More info about this here: www.near-death.com...

And, he existed indeed, his teachings were totally subverted of course but fortunately not all of it. The bible itself is an compilation of occult books available at the time.

Why did I post this? I don't know, I just felt I had to. If anyone can verify this (Masons or AMORC members) I'd be grateful.

See ya.

[edit on 22/2/2008 by tunin]

my thoughts:

I watched 'Zeitgeist' around x-mas time last year. i had been avoiding it b/c i thought i'd seen it all. zeitgeist (which in german means 'spirit of the age') in my mind is nothing less than asymmetrical warfare on the human heart & mind. what really got me were the 'interregnums' between segments where the screen went grey and staticy. if you know anything about this kind of 'stuff' you immediately sense and see devious subliminal coding shooting up the optic nerve.

yet i understand the reason for this attack.

the 'illusion', the 'enchantment' must be broken one heart/mind at a time. since this is a war, attacks are conducted like any vital military operation: with EXTREME PREJUDICE.

the OCCULT WAR is the only real war. the war is for the very SPIRIT of humanity. the purpose of this war is to wrestle the Spirit away from the ego.

I suggest reading Whitney Striblers new book '2012 War For Souls'. in his own way, whether he knows it or not, this is what his book is about: transmutation (Spiritualization) of the ego.

i suggest seeing world events though the lens of Carl Jung and read his thesis on 'The Book of Revelations.' (the gist of it is: everybody must go though an apocalypse, which means revealing [of truth], if we fail to 'rapture' ourselves, an external apocalypse/rapture will be forced on humanity, which will result in Armageddon, and then we're banging sticks & bones together for the next 10,000 years.)

the ego sees change as death and will fight to the end. this war is about each and every person's ego fighting the transmutation. this is the Great Conspiracy. it is us. the world institutions are simply a reflection of our own internal struggle. ***YOU ARE THE CAUSE, YOU ARE THE CURE***

films like 'zeitgeist' pummel the ego, saying 'see, all that you've been told is a lie!' then the ego, which is our everyday consciousness, starts to wonder what else is a lie, like perhaps the very nature of reality itself.....

The war will not end until every ego has ben spiritualized.

Warriors join the battle.
Unity awaits.
STRIKE HARD!

i agree completely with the OP

im not christian or anything, but i do see the NWO' using movies like zeitgeist to further their goals of 1 world gov't

it makes perfect sense, bravo-excellant thread OP

im 100% with you on this

the NWO wants us to hate Bush, christians etc.

Thats why im refusing to fall for it.
Im not gonna let them drag me into a war. Hell no.

So the Roman Empire, while still pagan, one day just up and decided to create a fictitious jewish guy for the basis of their belief. Not only did this change the state religion from pure paganism, it changed it to monotheism based on
some carpenter's son from Israel, one of their smallest provinces. They traded in their orgy parties and colloseum slaughters for a fictitious Jesus for no reason whatsoever other than, they decided to. Seemed like a good idea at the time, apparently. I just want you to know how absolutely unbelievable that is.

I cannot believe how easily people can be sucked into the Zeitgeist false christianity myth. Call yourself conspiracy theorists?

No doubt this post will attract witty retorts so i'll start by saying that I won't be bothering replying to such quips.

It's called credability by inferance. You believe the 911/banking/microchipping parts of the movie and assume that the opening 'SUN of god' nonsense is also true. I am certain as far as I can be that it is nonsense, and here is why.

I have been researching the figure of Jesus Christ for around 12 years now, have a mountain of books arguing both for and against him. However, serious scholarly books do not resort to such a facile idea that Jesus was mearly symbolic of the zodiac, or an amalgimation of other personalities for the simple reason that enough evidence exists to the contrary. The 'religious' consultant for Zietgiest - archeologist Acharya S would appear to be the main theorist of the sun theory. Although a simple allegory which might appeal to people with virtually no knowledge of the subject, there is no backup whatsoever for the claims made in Zietgiest or her books. There are plenty of books which discuss astrology and christianity - perhaps people could try reading a few?
And then Zeitgiest show relatively modern portrayals of supposed images of say Isis/Horus and try and create the impression that they proceed the Christ story and use it as 'evidence'!!

If, for some reason the long term agenda of the NWO has lasted over 2000yrs, which is claimed by people like David Icke, then there is absolutely no reason why a false christianity wasn't created in the guise of catholicism, from which many major christian traditions emerged, with the long term aim to demolish the story before the end times, a fabricated straw man argument if you will.

Perhaps the satanic conspiracy created catholicism so that they could encourage loss of faith in Christ prior to the second coming? Jesus wasn't a Christian. Christianity has perhaps indeed served it's purpose of controlling the population and causing conflicts and wars over the last 1650+ years (since the NWO under Constantines direction butchered the religion), but what a clever final twist in the tale to say that the main character never existed, just at the time that he is most needed. Wasn't this kind of scenario mentioned in the bible just before the end times? Hidden in plain sight.

What better way than discrediting Jesus just before he returns than by trying to convince people that he never existed? It's quite a clever scam really. Don't fall for it.

no more gorging till you heave. no more
open pederasty, lesbianism, homosexuality
(all still practiced in private anyway).

it makes perfect sense (not!), that a bunch o' folks
who had the entire world by the gonads, would suddenly,
for no explicable reason, become part of a monotheistic
sect that had more moral codes than you could shake
a stick at.

[edit on 22-2-2008 by undo]

Christians are so self rightious. They are hypocritical in the sense they say they come in the name of god and Peace, yet they then go into muslim nations and start wars there.

NO christian will ever want to hear the truth shown to them in a movie/doco such as Zeitgeist, and that is fine with me. They can live their hypocritical ways, hating and starting wars in the name of their god.

This doco is the red pill. This doco has done more to expose religion and its way it is used to control and manipulate the sheeple more than ANY in living history. If you don't like what I have to say, stuff you. Afterall ain't you supposed to "turn the other cheek"? In short, christians will never rise above it. Either will ANY religion where you must follow blind faith.

watchZEITGEISTnow

I Really dug this movie the first few times I watched it. Then I noticed that the 9-11 explanation seemed wrong to me. I don't know why but I've had a bad taste in my mouth for this movie since. I am interested in hearing a little more from the O.P. as to how they came to the conclusion that this was linked with the N.W.O.

I believe this could be a valid point, but I need more info on it.


Thanks!

Coven

I Hate that somehow "Christians" are at war with Muslim states. (What about all of the non-muslim countries we have attacked?) Well, last I looked, there are really not that many Christians in this country. As a matter of fact, we are probably the most progressive nation of our size on this planet. Christ's nod to pay Caesar his due was, I believe, a nod to the separation of Church and state. Don't blame Christians because of the Catholic Cult. I am not allowed to judge a group by its individuals or its ancestors, so why do Christians, (and be honest, you mean white as well) get treated differently. Want to call us oppressive? Go to Saudi Arabia, or Russia. or China, or Iran, or Libya, or Kuwait, or Jordan, or North Korea, or Cuba or 50 other places. That, my friends, is oppressive. Don't Blame me when My Lord's name is used in vain. I love my Brothers and Sisters. I am a flawed man who seeks redemption. I believe in aliens, ghosts and prophesy, as well as free will.

2500 years from now, people will be sitting at their computers, arguing the similarities between Jesus and Harry Potter. "Harry died and came back to life!" " Well Jesus was in Gryffindor!"

-Jason

[edit on 22-2-2008 by jasonjnelson]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
Christians are so self rightious. They are hypocritical in the sense they say they come in the name of god and Peace, yet they then go into muslim nations and start wars there.

NO christian will ever want to hear the truth shown to them in a movie/doco such as Zeitgeist, and that is fine with me. They can live their hypocritical ways, hating and starting wars in the name of their god.

This doco is the red pill. This doco has done more to expose religion and its way it is used to control and manipulate the sheeple more than ANY in living history. If you don't like what I have to say, stuff you. Afterall ain't you supposed to "turn the other cheek"? In short, christians will never rise above it. Either will ANY religion where you must follow blind faith.

watchZEITGEISTnow

There are many many christians who did not fight in the war or agree with it, for that matter. There are just as many people of agnostic, atheistic, buddhist and any other belief you care to name, who were either in agreement with the war initially or were soldiers in the war.

You are buying a bill of goods that is simply not true. Quit preaching hate, please. I haven't killed a person in my life and don't intend to either.
No one I know has killed a person.

Stop with the stereotypes.

I would just like to add this. I am a christian, but thats besides the point. Honestly, I do not really care if people think I am this or that based solely on my religion. I just wanted to bring up the point that a lot of posts stereo type an entire group (large group) of people when he/she states that christians think or do this and that.

Each person is an individual, and while they may share similar beleifs, that does not mean they all think the same or that they are all narrow minded (example: arguing with a christian is like talking to a rock, said by I do not remember who). It is like saying all muslims want to be suicide bombers just because some are. We know that this is not the case. Each muslim is a free thinking entity that makes his/her own decisions.

I especially enjoyed the "christians are at war with the muslims" comment. Come on, this war on terror is really a war for oil and power in a region where we want to monopolize power in. Religion is just a left hand waving to gain your attention while the right hand dips into the cookie jar.

It is 2008 people, by now I would hope that we have all learned some religious tolerance. Who cares what religion someone is.

it's funny but i don't even own a gun and neither does my hubby or any of my friends. we don't own dangerous weapons of any kind, other than an automobile which we wish we could run on alternative clean fuel sources. we don't promote war, nor agree with war. i don't believe in killing people. i don't even believe in the freakin' death penalty. now either me and everyone in my family (who are all christians) are some weirdo anomalie or this stereotype of christians is a deliberately planted campaign to saddle a select group of people on the planet based on their religious beliefs with every ill of mankind, whether it's true or not, and some people are actually falling for it.

the whole thing was a setup. before thie war drum started banging, and before the whole bush presidency, you never heard about what a huge population of christians this country supposedly has. in fact, most of the time the news was trying to convince the public that the majority of people were progressive atheists and agnostics and that the christians were the unpopular minority. and that the country wasn't founded on christians principles at all, but masonic ones and so on. now, all the sudden, the place is a really gunho christian nation with christians just dripping off the ceilings. and when the democrat gets back in, it'll go back to pretending the christian population is a small minority of irritants who make the rest of the planet miserable and therefore don't deserve to have a voice in this once free nation.

My friend said it best:

Zeitgeist stands arguably as the most important film to ever be released, and is a signet of what will truely be the information age, which can be the only resistance to an age of greed and corruption.

You’ve been given over time many words, mostly substantiated, surrounding the concept of “conspiracy theorists”. How everyone’s out to get them, central to which the government is out to get them. What is needed to know is not connotation, and is not blanket terms meant to destroy credibility. All you need is a rational mind and the ability to verify information. If something someone says is true, then there is a way to prove it.

Zeitgeist, insofar as my own abilities to follow reason and source, is not contrived, and uses true information. While there is conjecture, there is a thesis backed with supporting data that serves as the most potent piece of journalism I have ever seen.

Source: zurahn.wordpress.com...

By the way, he's the furthest thing you will ever find from a conspiracy theorist. It took a lot of coaxing just to get him to watch it.

[edit on 2/22/2008 by Yarcofin]

Originally posted by undo
NewWorldOver,

correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't you pagan?

Nope I have studied paganism and wicca though, along with Islam, Christianity, Krsna Consciousness (Hinduism).

I am always fighting to defend religion and religious people because I know that in all the religions that I have looked at, there is real knowledge and deep insight into human nature and the soul etc.

They simply explore the spiritual existence of man in different ways.