The issue of topics critical of Masonry on AboveTopSecret.com ##UPDATED 2009##

The illuminati do exist

and freemasons as well.

Originally posted by EyeTruthTv
The illuminati do exist

Yes, they do. The most direct lineal descendants are the Skull and Bones Fraternity at Yale. There are too many coincidences there to avoid the obvious conclusions. Secondly, CONSERVATIVE ANGLO-AMERICAN Freemasonry has been infected. One of the key things that all of you are missing -- and none of these Conservative Masons will tell you -- is that there are TWO distinct lineages of Freemasonry. One goes back to Britain and is fully in league with the British Crown, which is why we have the UK-USA Treaty, Project Echelon, etc. The second lineage goes back to France and it is a completely different form of Freemasonry. Just as legitimate, it accepts men and women; minorites of every color; LGBT; and even atheists and agnostics. After years of not being an active Freemason among the Conservative Masons, I began to do a lot of research and discovered that many of the things I was taught as a Conservative Mason were outright lies.

The United Grand Lodge of England is NOT the only legitimate standard to which "all Regular" freemasonry can be traced. France's Progressive lineage is just as legitimate, even if you Conservative Masons don't like having women, minorities, gay people and atheists in lodges. Secondly, unlike the Conservative Masonic Lodges which falsely give themselves the title of "Regular Freemasonry," we do NOT give our allegiance to any colonizing entity, such as...oh, I don't know...THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY??? Figure this out: Every Conservative Anglo-American Mason answers to his lodge. That lodge answers to the State or District (in the case of Washington, DC) Grand Lodge. Each and every one of those Grand Lodges answers to...who???

They answer to the United Grand Lodge of England. And the Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England is who??? It's Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (who also happens to be the Grand Master of the Boy Scouts, but that's a separate issue) of the Royal Family. And before him it was who? It was Lawrence Lumley, 11th Earl of Scarbrough. In fact, if you go back all the way through the chain of Grand Masters of the United Grand Lodge of England you will see that each and every single Grand Master was a member of the Royal Family of England, all the way back to Prince Augusts, Duke of Sussex in 1813; the REAL year that the United Grand Lodge of England was founded. 1717 was the founding of the Grand Lodge of London and is technically a FAKE date designed to make the UGLE look older and more legitimate than the Grand Orient of France.

Going back to the Illuminati Conspiracy, yes, they do exist. Yes, many of them have infiltrated the ranks of Freemasonry -- CONSERVATIVE Freemasonry. Why? Because in Progressive Masonic Lodges we are allowed to discuss Politics and Religion and weigh out what is in the best interests of humanity on an open forum unlike the Conservative Masonic Lodges. So an "Illuminatus" or Illuminatus - wannabe would not make it very long in a Progressive Obedience before he realized that his goals would never be fulfilled in such an institution. Thus, they join the Conservative Lodges, where his politics will never be questioned. That's how you get murderous, racist and bigotted assholes like Anders Behring Breivik in a Conservative Masonic Grand Lodge. HIS POLITICS WERE NEVER QUESTIONED. HE WAS JUST ASSUMED TO BE A "NORMAL" CONSERVATIVE - LEANING WHITE CHRISTIAN LIKE CONSERVATIVE ANGLO-ALLIED MASONS IN NORWAY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.

So YES, there IS a problem with Conservative Freemasonry, a HUGE problem. And the only true solution is to raise the columns of the anti-Illuminati. And who are they? Progressive Freemasons. We don't hide our politics, our religion (or lack thereof), our race, our sexual orientation, etc. We are truly FREE AND ACCEPTED, and we don't run around claiming that we are "Regular" just because we have hugely inflated numbers of halfway competent chubby white guys sitting around on a weeknight because there's no bingo in town. We give charities to institutions that are based on making positive changes to humanity and unlike the other institution we really don't have anything to hide.

Originally posted by ProgressiveFreemasonryUSA
Just as legitimate, it accepts men and women; minorites of every color; LGBT; and even atheists and agnostics. After years of not being an active Freemason among the Conservative Masons, I began to do a lot of research and discovered that many of the things I was taught as a Conservative Mason were outright lies.

I happen to belong to a jurisdiction which you, in your classification system, would consider 'conservative'. We allow men of every race as well as sexual orientation. You seem to be over generalizing to say the least.

Originally posted by ProgressiveFreemasonryUSA
Each and every one of those Grand Lodges answers to...who???

No one. Each Grand Lodge is sovereign.

They answer to the United Grand Lodge of England.

Completely, outrageously false.

And the Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England is who??? It's Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (who also happens to be the Grand Master of the Boy Scouts, but that's a separate issue)

The Boy Scouts don't have a Grand Master. His title is Chief Scout, and his authority once again extends only to England.

1813; the REAL year that the United Grand Lodge of England was founded.

I've never seen anyone claim otherwise.

...a FAKE date designed to make the UGLE look older and more legitimate than the Grand Orient of France.

You're the only one who thinks that "legitimacy" is measured in age. Odd, given that "Progressive Freemasonry USA" was founded a little over two months ago and is not the American obedience recognized by the GodF (that would be the George Washington Union). Looks like you're the one glomming onto a tradition you're not entitled to.

Because in Progressive Masonic Lodges we are allowed to discuss Politics and Religion and weigh out what is in the best interests of humanity on an open forum unlike the Conservative Masonic Lodges. So an "Illuminatus" or Illuminatus - wannabe would not make it very long in a Progressive Obedience before he realized that his goals would never be fulfilled in such an institution.

Right, it's much easier to fulfill a political agenda when you can't talk politics. Welcome to the world of "progressive" logic.

That's how you get murderous, racist and bigotted assholes like Anders Behring Breivik in a Conservative Masonic Grand Lodge. HIS POLITICS WERE NEVER QUESTIONED. HE WAS JUST ASSUMED TO BE A "NORMAL" CONSERVATIVE - LEANING WHITE CHRISTIAN LIKE CONSERVATIVE ANGLO-ALLIED MASONS IN NORWAY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.

How very fair of you. Are Conrad Murray, Michael Brea and Rashad Muhammad typical of the kind of man whose Masonic needs are not met by "conservative" Freemasonry?

and we don't run around claiming that we are "Regular" just because we have hugely inflated numbers

Well, at least that's certain.

of halfway competent chubby white guys sitting around on a weeknight because there's no bingo in town.

Who's the bigot again?

We give charities to institutions that are based on making positive changes to humanity

Because children's hospitals, medical research laboratories and child identification programs don't do this.

Is this where I come to say "Thank You to ATS -Secret Societies Forum"???

If so... "I, the Great Pinocchio, do Thank Thee ATS"...
I come to post to Anti-Masons, Non-Masons, and Freemasons.

Of Acacia Wood Was I Fashioned... With Sh!ttim For My Thoughs...
Adorned In Fine Gold! BUT! But I Am Not The Ark Of The Covenant!

Although... I did break a rock with a stick once...

My Dad was a Mason and one of my bosses was a Mason. They both laugh because of what they here being said all the time about them. There is nothing special about it. Ive been there when my dad attended. Its not what people think it is

The Only Thing True, Yet Funny, About Freemason Is That He Is Not:
9th -MASTER ELECT OF NINE:
1) A Bully!
2) A Coward!
3) A Whore!
4) A Beggar!
5) A Drunkard!
6) A Liar!
7) A Thief!
8) A Proud!
9) A Joker!

But Freemason Teaches:
4th Degree: "Geometry"
5th Degree: "Mathematics"
14th Degree: "Science Fiction"
18th Degree: "Science Of Nature"

I was thinking about secret societies.... if they are secret.. how come we know about them?

reply to post by pacifier2012


It is essential to put forth the idea... the grand design of that information allows for seekers to indulge in all the crafts and resources that allow one to develop in the mystery.
But... you might want to know:
1) It makes money...
2) It exposes the seeker... good or bad.
3) It allows the mind of the seeker to conclude and choose sides.
4) It hinders affairs and matters of the heart!

Isn't that a kind of konfidence against the third side(s), in order to make anti-legal benefits?

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Can anybody please tell me how i post a new Topic??
I just made an account and ive bin looking for a few hours but i cant find out where i have to click on to make a new topic ?!

reply to post by MrKilluminati


Should have just U2U'd off topic directions to newbie.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


#Bono #JimmyFallon #Freemasonry

freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com...

FW4ats
freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com...

What an amazingly honest, accurate and well-sourced site.

I am always amazed when people actually believe anything that the toolbag running that site says.

I am a freemason I would like to try and explain what I can. The freemasons are nothing more then a fraternity that does a lot of good in the public whether that be fund raising or just helping out others in need. The best way I have ever herd the masonic brother hood explained is like this
"A group of good men helping other good men become better."

There is not much difference between us and a fraternity you would fine on a college campus except this is with a different group of men.

The only way you can perceive Masons as good is if you are ignorant of Truth.

Lies take more power than they give from Truth to sustain existence as Truth.

You only see the light visible chaos or positive noise of the fantasy on the outside that obscures the invisible dark order or negative signal of the reality on the inside.

Think of the outside as the event horizon of the sun that hides the event horizon of the black hole on the inside.

All master empires of lies believed to be or promoted as Truth die...

So do worshipful master vampires when the blood they tax from the vulgar and profane slaves runs dry.

How you can come here claim to be a Mason and then pretend you are hidden from my all all seeing eye...Is not going to work.

Masonic instruction below...

“Be cautious in your words and carriage, that the most penetrating stranger shall not be able to discover or find out what is not proper intimated; and sometimes you shall divert a discourse, and manage it prudently for the honour of the worshipful fraternity.”

Translation...Lie, cheat, steal and don't squeal.

I do not require the "clew to the Sanctum Sanctorum" to see the invisible order hiding behind the visible chaos of the lodge walls.

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"When plunder (Taking more power than you give or absolute capitalism) becomes a way of life for a group of men (Absolute capitalists) living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a (Rule) legal system that authorizes it and a moral code (Religion) that glorifies it." --Frederic Bastiat

"I, George Washington, of my own free will and accord, in the presence of Almighty God, and this Worshipful Lodge, erected to Him, and dedicated to the holy Sts. John, do hereby and hereon (Master presses his gavel on candidate's knuckles) most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, that I will always hail, ever conceal, and never reveal, any of the arts, parts, or points of the hidden mysteries of Ancient Free Masonry, which may have been, or hereafter shall be, at this time, or any future period, communicated to me, as such, to any person or persons whomsoever, except it be to a true and lawful brother Mason, or in a regularly constituted Lodge of Masons; nor unto him or them until, by strict trial, due examination, or lawful information, I shall have found him, or them, as lawfully entitled to the same as I am myself. I furthermore promise and swear that I will not print, paint, stamp, stain, cut, carve, mark, or engrave them, or cause the same to be done, on any thing movable or immovable, capable of receiving the least impression of a word, syllable, letter, or character, whereby the same may become legible or intelligible to any person under the canopy of heaven, and the secrets of Masonry thereby unlawfully obtained through my unworthiness."

"All this I most solemnly, sincerely promise and swear, with a firm and steadfast resolution to perform the same, without any mental reservation or secret evasion of mind whatever, binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea, at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same."

My Grandfather was a Mason and he told a story of a good man that raped a vulgar and profane girl...and was let go by the judge because he was a Mason who was another good man.

"It is better that ten guilty escape than one innocent suffer."--William Blackstone

but with the brotherhood...Or the bro's before ho's religion of absolute capitalist power worship...It is a tad different.

It is better that ten vulgar and profane slaves are put to death than one worshipful master suffer.

originally posted by: HYPERTlGER
“Be cautious in your words and carriage, that the most penetrating stranger shall not be able to discover or find out what is not proper intimated; and sometimes you shall divert a discourse, and manage it prudently for the honour of the worshipful fraternity.”

Translation...Lie, cheat, steal and don't squeal.

the fact that you are quoting ritual from Britain dating to the 1700's is a bit irrelevant to all of us United States Masons.

My Grandfather was a Mason and he told a story of a good man that raped a vulgar and profane girl...and was let go by the judge because he was a Mason who was another good man.

My Grandfather said your Grandfather was making that up.

a reply to: ProgressiveFreemasonryUSA

Nice post.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In the UK there are lodges just for police, senior ones.

The Guardian did an expose on the Manor of St. James Lodge in 1997, there were similarities with the corruption of the case they were looking at.