The issue of topics critical of Masonry on AboveTopSecret.com ##UPDATED 2009##

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


You all mean FREE Masonry. The 'lord' giveth and the 'lord' taketh away, we finally end up with nothing and so 'The Grand Architect', the same as built the pyramids, gets it all done for free. We then get FORCED into celibacy and are cured of ALL wordly desire losing all wordly goods in the process.

See The Legend of Hiram Abiff (or Abiv) Hire 'em and fire 'em.

Really it is irrelevant in view of Apocalypse/Armageddon and that is what we are all experiencing right now simply because the year is 2011 or 5772 in the Hebrew calendar. Hitler wanted 3000 years. Can't be done.

It is practically all over bar the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Thats all folks. Bugs Bunny, Loonie Toones and that is all we REALLY are, construction bugs, rabbi(t) men and bunny women.

'People' (bunny men and bunny women) are dying/disappearing, birds and animals are dropping dead and now millions of fish are dying 'mysteriously'. We are as an open book and he/it can drop you anytime he/it cares to.

We at least we tried and we don't want a WWIII with ABC WMD. You may remember that JFK spoke of a Worldwide nuclear war. That is why he was bumped off. Sorry.

Jesus becomes the leader of Apocalypse (Wikipedia Jesus Christ) and jews represent satan vengeance and death. Einstein stole E=mc² from Enrico Fermi and knew full well that he was contributing to the eventual end of everything.

The Sphinx is also known as Abu Hol in Arabic, The Father of Terror, hence terrorism.

Why we could not have one ENGLISH alphabet on this planet he/it only knows.

And who knows all the words in the dictionary anyway? Most of them should never have come into being especially all those referring to religion. How about a secular, civil, crime free and peacefull STATE?

America was largely built/run by the mob remember? Not by the Masonry. How easily we forget!

The Free Masonry, Vrijmetzelaars, Fréres a Trois Points, Franc Masonnerie, etc. builds Temples, Sun, Moon and the Stars, (see Astrology) but then homosexuals refer to public toilets as 'temples'.

Your religion/destiny? Check your star sign.

As for the Internet it is just another addiction like tobacco/drugs, etc. and untimately destructive.

I think that we might be better off without it. Who needs six billion opinions when the facts are already known?

The second passage of Mars (ancient name Nibiru) happened a few years ago and this represents 'The second coming.' It is this that has caused our soft planet to distort and sparked off tsunamis and increased earthquake and volcanic activity, changed weather patterns, jet streams, unusual rainfall, mudslides, etc.

I doubt if we are in the same orbit, it might now be an elipse orbit with elipse winters/summers, but I don't have any confirmation of this. Maybe you have?

Quite frankly I don't rate it as a creation and never wanted 'children' of my own.

ALL women are prostitutes according to a Vatican recent statement. The 'Promised Land' of Milk and 'Honey', etc. The 'Kingdom' of 'god. Thy 'Kingdom' (The 'Middle' Kingdom) cum as IT is in 'heaven'.

Here IT refers to the penis. Hah! "As you like IT" Shakespeare, sex and I.T.

Cheap tricks really.

Ian Chattan ex NATO SIS

Cèline Dion in her song 'Papillon' (Butterfly) says it all. We are the prisoners of a string of FALSE secrets.

Beware FALSE 'gods', etc.

Ian Chattan

reply to post by ianchattan


Um ok, Im not sure I made any reference to "all Masons" here, I just posted an interesting thing on a particular Order because I was new to the forum, and was preoccupied with the Egypt uprising.
Over the few weeks I have been at ATS, I have noticed a lot of diatribe against Christians by Masons. It probably stems from centuries of fighting between Masons and the Roman Catholic Church and everyone is defensive as a result. .
Like last night, all I did was post one quote by Jesus on a thread, and was attacked by a Mason. It was so untoward. It was a little bit funny in that I was being likened to snake handlers and people who drink poison, just from one quote. I was also attacked in the same thread by someone purporting to be Christian as well. I must be on to something if Masons, Christians, and seculars are all on my case.
It is understandable that Freemasons deny having Illiminati among their ranks, as it does give them a bad name. Nevertheless, there is a history of Illuminati involvement, and often Christians get it all mixed up and think it's all the same, and thus never realize the significance of George Washington having been a Mason.
Interestingly, I found an online text of the book "The Comte de St. Germain" with references to him as a Mason, and it does highlight a fight between the Church and the Masons.
www.sacred-texts.com...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Like last night, all I did was post one quote by Jesus on a thread, and was attacked by a Mason.

Um, no you weren't. Wandering Scribe isn't a Mason...

I just joined this sight and am delighted to talk conspiracy. I hope men who are Masons are allowed to engage in conspiracy discussions here. I do not mind being derided for being a mason, because unless you are one there is absolutely no way you know what you are talking about when it comes to the fraternity. But, I do know about the fraternity and, no, i am not brainwashed or a compulsive liar. I love that we get so much credit for running the world. My question is if not us, who would you like to run it? W.M. Sir J. M. Cardin, KT, RC, 32'

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Because of the oaths taken a Mason cannot, and if truly a mason would not, attack a Christian brother in thought, word or deed. 80 percent of the world's masons are Christians, as I am. I may not be a born again evangelical, but then again I did not need to be born again so late in life, as I gave Christ my heart at a young age. I didn't need to find God- he never left me.

reply to post by Skyfloating


If the conspiracy is to make all men equal regardless of religion, country or creed, and dispel ignorance and tyranny from the face of the globe, then yes we are conspiring and will continue to do so. Good luck in the fight against us. The Catholic church has lost the battle- many tyrants have as well. Who are you?

reply to post by ianchattan


Here is a secret for you. instead of breaking hiram abiff down the way you have to interpret its meaning, try CHI-RAM ABI.....this will give you the meaning of the name. This breakdown is its original and is found in the smaragdos tablet of Hermes Trismagistus. Hope it helps. Also, the word is sumerian origin and not coptic or arabic.

Originally posted by sirjohn
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

If the conspiracy is to make all men equal regardless of religion, country or creed, and dispel ignorance and tyranny from the face of the globe, then yes we are conspiring and will continue to do so. Good luck in the fight against us. The Catholic church has lost the battle- many tyrants have as well. Who are you?

Then why hide, if you are indeed so Noble in your cause ?

Why live behind secrecy if you have nothing to fear ?

Who are we ?

We are the people who do not feel the need to join silly little secret mens clubs to go about our daily lives.

We are the free thinkers who dont need layers of secrecy to make a judgement on religion.

your one statement at the end "Who are you ?" reveals your true nature, thankyou for that.

Then why hide, if you are indeed so Noble in your cause ?

Once again, who exactly is hiding?

Why live behind secrecy if you have nothing to fear ?

Does not knowing a few words and handshakes really bother you this much?

We are the people who do not feel the need to join silly little secret mens clubs to go about our daily lives.

So is it a silly little men's club, or is there something we're hiding?

We are the free thinkers who dont need layers of secrecy to make a judgement on religion.

What "layers of secrecy" does Freemasonry or its membership make "judgement on religion" from? (In the case of the former, none at all; Freemasonry has no position on any religion.)

reply to post by Dajjal


There is no secret. You can find a masonic lodge in the phone book, any lodge. Our Tilers don't have automatic rifles but old blunt swords. The secrecy is because masons have been killed and persecuted by people such as yourself for a very long time. Hell, even the modes of recognition are not secret anymore. During WWII any mason over the rank of Master, i.e. scottish rite or york rite, were killed along with everyone else. The fraternity estimates that number at 40,000. This was only 60 or so years ago. The only mystery in the lodge is the felling you have during the initiations and how they work in your life. But then we work ritual in church every sunday. I asked 'who are you' because i have yet to see a posting of meaningful discussion as to philosophy of masonry or any facts that we rule the world.

Before there was Facebook, there was the Republic of Letters. Defying national boundaries, the philosophers of the Age of Enlightenment gathered together in an intellectual community. Made up of luminaries like Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Carl Linnaeus, Isaac Newton, Gottfried Leibniz, and Denis Diderot, this early social network exchanged knowledge. Something that not is not generally discussed, however: the men mentioned above were not ordinary thinkers, but mystics and magicians. For more, see the Spider Clan blog-at Project Restoration.

I think Masons can make blatantly untrue claims as well.

That's called a conspiracy
but this good topic

Originally posted by sirjohn
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

If the conspiracy is to make all men equal regardless of religion, country or creed, and dispel ignorance and tyranny from the face of the globe, then yes we are conspiring and will continue to do so. Good luck in the fight against us. The Catholic church has lost the battle- many tyrants have as well. Who are you?

Skyfloating is a brother. He is also an integral part of this website. I suggest reading through some older threads with titles you think might seem interesting, to get a feel for who everybody is, and what they have to say. This site is an amazing place to learn about our craft. You have to wade through some muck, but there is plenty of great info in between.

Originally posted by sirjohn
reply to post by Dajjal

 

There is no secret. You can find a masonic lodge in the phone book, any lodge. Our Tilers don't have automatic rifles but old blunt swords. The secrecy is because masons have been killed and persecuted by people such as yourself for a very long time. Hell, even the modes of recognition are not secret anymore. During WWII any mason over the rank of Master, i.e. scottish rite or york rite, were killed along with everyone else. The fraternity estimates that number at 40,000. This was only 60 or so years ago. The only mystery in the lodge is the felling you have during the initiations and how they work in your life. But then we work ritual in church every sunday. I asked 'who are you' because i have yet to see a posting of meaningful discussion as to philosophy of masonry or any facts that we rule the world.

My grandfather was the finest, kindest, most moral man anyone of us could have ever known, as well as the most respected, and my best, maybe only, true friend. Like Walter Bruening (he was older), and also in Montana, he joined the Scottish Rites in roughly 1925. The full account of this is probably 50,000+ words, so I'll keep it simple and stick to the facts. He was also a staunch Episcopalian with a family bible displayed with births/death/marriages recorded carefully. However, between approx 1925 and up to a few years or until his death in 1968, he had a problem with violent outbursts at night such that my grandmother could no longer sleep with him. Cutting to the quick of the issue, here is that during those 40 years, he was "abducted" every single night, spare a few, by vile, stealthy little things I could not very well describe, but who I was able to outwait and fool into thinking I wasn't aware of them. Yep, just too bizarre to believe, but a fact that I kept quiet about, until 38 years later I was looking at depictions of these so called "gray aliens," and bingo. I can tell you that he was terribly afraid of them and fought them desperately, but to no avail, and he clearly never retained any conscious memory of these events. I never took a liking to tatoos, rings, or all the exotic symbolism in the Masonic paraphenalia, so I stayed clear, but will give you some accurate observations from the outside. The Episcopal affiliation was emphasised with fervent passion as were a conservative politics, but... my grandparents did not attend church, only Masons and Eastern Star, but those social functions were the hub of their entire life. It was also very plain that while they placed an emphasis on belief in God, they never regarded Christ as the deity whose sacrifice for their sins was contingent upon surrender and belief and never read the Bible. They were Norman Vincent Peale fans, logical, responsible, helpful, moral in every way. Later, I became a real born again Christian, meaning that Jesus literally came down and entered my heart. As much as I adored by grandfather, and he was a religious man, he was never a true, born again Christian, nor was there anything in the Masons or Eastern Star that would have made such a distinction.

By the way, those old, blunt ceremonial swords were good enough for that well known actor to use to hack his mother to death after he had attended one of the ceremonies. As for those "gray aliens," I can assure anyone that there is no possibility whatsoever that I imagined any of this or made any kind of mistake. I've never seen a UFO, and my nightly observations in 1959 are the only time I ever stared such vermin directly in the face, and I was fully awake and in my right mind. They do materialize in and out of physical existence, and they do abduct people and cause them severe trauma, maybe millions of them who are never the wiser unless my grandfather was an exception, and they do it for very specific purposes, not experiments. I can't say for certain that my grandfather's troubles had anything to do with the Masons, either, or the hundreds of cattle stripped of their better parts in later years that some claim to have been butchered by the same perps. But if you want my gut feeling on the matter, people who join up with these brotherhoods have unwittingly sold their souls to the devil, will have good lives on the surface, but will suffer terribly later. They inherit considerable social benefits by joining, they do good things for the community, they love their families, as did the Nazi soldiers, but they do not believe in the saving power of Jesus, and because of that, and without realizing it, they are doomed, not because of social persecution, but because the gift of God through Jesus Christ is eternal life, but the Masonic philosophy in subtle ways violates the conditions required for that.

As I understand it, Hitler's boys did try to exterminate the Masons, but only because these groups were rivals with his own Thule Society which was also a fraternity built along similar religious and philosophical ideas devoid of the true meaning of Christ as Jesus himself stated it. Otherwise, I'm not aware of the Masons being victimized in any way, but you can hardly use Hitler as leverage for a case of persecution, while there's considerable evidence of the shoe being on the other foot, by that I mean secret oaths and plans by Masons which are not healthy for the remaining body politic. I was the only one to ever catch on to what was causing my grandfather's violent spells during the night because I was extremely hypervigilant and prone not to sleep at night. This is partly because in the 2nd/3rd grades I had been beaten severely many times, very nearly to death on two of them, and also barely escaped a night time abduction in 1957. It would not have been possible for me to make any error whatsoever during the three weeks I observed these things happening to my grandfather in 1959.

Originally posted by cusanus


The Episcopal affiliation was emphasised with fervent passion as were a conservative politics, but... my grandparents did not attend church, only Masons and Eastern Star, but those social functions were the hub of their entire life. It was also very plain that while they placed an emphasis on belief in God, they never regarded Christ as the deity whose sacrifice for their sins was contingent upon surrender and belief and never read the Bible.

These sound like details of your grandfather's ideas and priorities, and have nothing to do with Freemasonry. In most jurisdictions, actually, the ritual would term such behavior un-Masonic.

I attend church weekly, teach the young men's program roughly twice a month, serve as an Assistant Scoutmaster in the church troop once a week and hold a Gospel-centered home evening with my wife every Monday night. Funny how people like you never know Masons like me.

he was never a true, born again Christian, nor was there anything in the Masons or Eastern Star that would have made such a distinction.

That would not be the place of Masonry.

By the way, those old, blunt ceremonial swords were good enough for that well known actor to use to hack his mother to death after he had attended one of the ceremonies.

Michael Brea was a schizophrenic suffering from money troubles. He attended one meeting of an illegitimate lodge and stole a sword. He was hardly a "well-known", successful individual possessed by whatever Freemason demon your theology thinks to exist, and it's dishonest of you to imply otherwise.

As for those "gray aliens," I can assure anyone that there is no possibility whatsoever that I imagined any of this or made any kind of mistake. I've never seen a UFO, and my nightly observations in 1959 are the only time I ever stared such vermin directly in the face, and I was fully awake and in my right mind.

Michael Brea would say the same thing about the demon inside his mother. (Not so much fun, is it?)

I can't say for certain that my grandfather's troubles had anything to do with the Masons, either, or the hundreds of cattle stripped of their better parts in later years that some claim to have been butchered by the same perps.

But you don't mind implying it.

But if you want my gut feeling on the matter, people who join up with these brotherhoods have unwittingly sold their souls to the devil, will have good lives on the surface, but will suffer terribly later.

Other than intangible "social benefits", explain how Freemasonry helps me have a good life in any way that wouldn't also condemn a church.

They inherit considerable social benefits by joining

I have yet to realize these. The only contact I have with Masons is my twice-monthly lodge meeting.

they do good things for the community, they love their families, as did the Nazi soldiers

How mature.

but they do not believe in the saving power of Jesus, and because of that, and without realizing it, they are doomed

Of course I don't. After all, your grandfather didn't go to church.

not because of social persecution, but because the gift of God through Jesus Christ is eternal life, but the Masonic philosophy in subtle ways violates the conditions required for that.

Such as...?

As I understand it, Hitler's boys did try to exterminate the Masons, but only because these groups were rivals with his own Thule Society which was also a fraternity built along similar religious and philosophical ideas

You understand it incorrectly. Hitler was not a Thule member, and his animus toward Freemasonry was along political and anti-Semitic lines.

Otherwise, I'm not aware of the Masons being victimized in any way

Then you've never been in the Middle East. Or Cuba. Or the Soviet Union. Or Franco's Spain. Or almost any other totalitarian government.

but you can hardly use Hitler as leverage for a case of persecution

90,000 dead Freemasons would like a word.

while there's considerable evidence of the shoe being on the other foot, by that I mean secret oaths and plans by Masons which are not healthy for the remaining body politic.

Feel free to quote supporting passages from Duncan's Ritual. Or, you know, throw around accusations like a middle schooler with the wrong boyfriend.

It would not have been possible for me to make any error whatsoever during the three weeks I observed these things happening to my grandfather in 1959.

Once again, it is entirely possible for you to make an error, and to assume otherwise is arrogant.

thank you very much ATS because of your courage to do what you are doing regardless of some "opposition" that thinks they have "more right" to present their views.

Like we are not told the exact opposite all the time on the TV and other media...

keep going.

Originally posted by masonica_esoterica

I fail to see the logic in how there is no set limit on how many antimasons can make blatantly untrue claims, and all support each other, or attempt to derail threads/troll (note that I am not claiming ALL antimasons do this) and they are all considered unique individuals who all come to ATS of their own free will and post their own opinion, but when a handful of masons refute certain claims, then their is to be a restriction of how many of us can post, we are told we are to star things that we agree with and not to post our own thoughts, and told that we are a "forum gang" when multiple masons post.

I post on ATS because I have general interests that mirror those of the sites.Historical/Archaelogical conspiracies, mystery/initiated systems throughout history, governmental conspiracies and coverups, use of alternative medicine as opposed to pharmaceuticals, philosophy,studying different world religions to draw parallels,etc...The fact that I am a Mason has nothing to do with why I have come to ATS, at heart I am a conspiracy theorist.However, it is irresponsible journalism to not allow one with direct firsthand knowledge to refute claims that they KNOW to be false.

Here is an example:

Assume that there is a terrible auto wreck, and you want to know details.Who would you rather get your details from, someone who knows firsthand from being on the scene of the accident, or someone who claims to know because of their brothers firends cousins uncle saying that he heard such and such....

Regardless I feel that the vast majority of Masons that post here have been more than patient and polite in their responses on these forums.

Maybe all of the Masons on ATS need to go on strike for a month off of the Secret Society forums, as our contributions are less than welcome, and let people wallow in the ignorance of their Satanic/UFO/Reptilian/Baphomet/Demonology theories.

The only Heiarchy of individuals that I see trying to control the information on these boards are a handful of indviduals on the staff of the site whose views of Freemasonry are hostile.

My experience with Masons is first hand and you're going to pay hell convincing me they are a harmless group of old men working towards a better society. Secrecy is not necessary if your intentions are good. I personally believe such secret societies are corrosive to society and should be outlawed,

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
My experience with Masons is first hand and you're going to pay hell convincing me they are a harmless group of old men working towards a better society. Secrecy is not necessary if your intentions are good. I personally believe such secret societies are corrosive to society and should be outlawed,

Which puts you in the same camp as some other stellar human beings, Hitler, Mussolini, Khomeni, etc. Enjoy the company.