Are these pictures of real nazi UFO's ?

reply to post by merka


I know the whole thing is preposterous impossible, however I do believe they had flying disks albeit conventionally powered.

I think they found them to be to unstable to mount weapons and development was late because resources were diverted to conventional weapons platforms, desperate times call for desperate measures they were pulling anything and everthing out of the woodwork to turn the tide.

The Ho or Go 229 is a good example of late development due to resource shortage they could of actually gone into service but the jet engines required were earmarked for the Me 262 and Arado bomber the GO 229 was at the end of the queue which is a shame because I think it was a better aircraft then the 262, it certainly looked cooler anyway

I certainly think there is enough evidence to support a working prototype of the Josef Andreas Epp Omega Diskus and I think that is what witnesses were seeing, it didn't see service though.

There may well of been other projects that have not seen the light of day especially if they were SS controlled I read somewhere that group were the first in the record burning race, the Diskus I have read was burned on the runway in Prague.

And then of course there are the photographs I am sure many are faked but as stated before I want to know where and when they surfaced, one author called Henry Stevens states that he actually handled an original negative unfortunately I can't find an email address for him at the moment otherwise I would have no hesitation in contacting him.

Following on from my idea of trying to find contemporary newspaper reports or photographs of these machines(that is assuming that they existed), copies of all british newspapers are kept at the British Library in
Colindale available to personal callers or online to members of Higher and Further Educational establishments only.

Does anyone reading this thread, who is interested in these matters, live in North London or is a member of a British University or School? (I don't and am not, unfortunately). If so why not check it out?

I assume the same facility exists at the Library of Congress ,probably more so as the USA has a better Freedom of Information Act, than we benighted Brits.

I am now off to see what I can find online there.

Sherpa-Thanks for the Turkish site-lots of interesting stuff on there!

British Library :www.bl.uk...

reply to post by Bashibozkedi


Good work Bashibozkedi I appreciate your efforts, by the way couldn't you have a shorter easier name.

Just kidding glad you enjoyed the link.

Since I have not made any further progress tracking the origins of the photographs I offer this link that illustrates the timeline of this subject via news reports from 1947 to present.

Make of it what you will.

greyfalcon.us...

I still haven't found the newspaper cutting I was looking for,but check out this link to a contemporary article in the New York Times which I found.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS!!

lesmysteredelaww2.oldiblog.com...

PS Sherpa- I am quite happy with my name, thank you very much. It means "stray cat" in Turkish. Literally "Cat Without a Master" which I hope sums me up!

reply to post by Bashibozkedi


Well I have to admit it looks interesting.

However rather bizzarly I have failed to find that story in the New York Times Archive.

PS Sherpa- I am quite happy with my name, thank you very much. It means "stray cat" in Turkish. Literally "Cat Without a Master" which I hope sums me up!

Ah..that would explain it then, it's no wonder you enjoyed that Turkish site

I am not sure if anyone earlier mentioned the things I'll write so please forgive me in advance, I just scan through the posts for keywords and links.

Here are some of my thoughts: it is said that the members of the Thule society have "channeled" advanced knowledge of Vril energy from some distant civilization back in the early 20th century. Is this information true or not is hard to say, aside from anyone believing in "channeling" as a mean of obtaining reliable information.

What I feel is (at least somewhat) factual is Viktor Schauberger and his work because things he had done were physically present in the 20th century. Besides his immense knowledge of water, trees and soil, there are those stories about him being summoned to see Hitler and help out Germans through his vortex research.

Whether Thule did build saucers based on Vril energy or not is up for debate but they must have built something based on Schauberger vortex technologies (and on conventional engines) if we are to believe Schauberger's own writings and those of his biographer Callum Coats, who mind you is quite a buff when it comes to knowledge about Viktor.

Where it gets tricky, in my humble opinion, is immediately after the WW2, namely Project Paperclip. I believe that the Americans have sanitized a lot of information and it is not inconceivable to think that counter-intelligence had an important play in the decades following the project through dissemination of false information about what exactly was brought along with the Nazi scientists from the occupied Germany.

There could be multitudes of layers of lies and deception in the materials we have access to with just bits and pieces of truth scattered here and there. Let's not forget that this whole Nazi UFO issue could be a huge smokescreen for something totally different. Nazis have researched many other fields beside propulsion systems and aerial vehicles.

First thing that comes to mind is psyops, mind control and other population controlling/mind altering applications. Matter a fact, these fields have been in research for almost 40-50 years at that point (1945) so use your best judgment on how far they came (and how much we don't know about it).

But, not to diverge from the topic, has anyone posted links to photos of UFOs prior to 1940s? I know there were some documentaries that were showing them and it would be interesting to tie those with the Nazi UFOs because there had been photographed sightings of UFOs back in the 1920s, 30s and early 40s.

Some of those photos did look good and general shapes of the crafts were similar in some ways to Nazi UFOs. One way or the other, someone or something was flying these advanced vehicles back when zeppelins were still a viable transportation option for long distances. Was it the Thule society who built those craft before WW2 or not, that's to be determined, though we should take any written/photo document with a grain of salt because of what I said above about psyops.

They are real, all of them. The Aryan Nation is going to rise up and destroy all. They have a base in Antarctica below the ice sheet and are just waiting for the right time to turn us all into Reptilian clones. This is foretold in the scriptures of BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by TEMELUCHUS
waiting for the right time to turn us all into Reptilian clones. This is foretold in the scriptures of BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Just my opinion.

Well, you obviously based your opinion on a “solid” scripture.
Just my opinion.

I believe many of these pictures is from a or several films and or clips, provided to a Bulgarin ufologist in the late 80's or early 90's, he was later to move to the US. His name was Vladimir Tersziski. Not sure of the spelling of the last name, so don't bet any money on it.

This man is mostly known for video interviewing Bielek, Nichols et al, also in the early 90's. (he's now missing)

For some reason, he was given these films by the Thule Gesellschaft (sp again). I have in my possession a VHS to DVD transfer in which mr Vladimir in some very obscure (early 90's?) US television programme shows slides from the films, and discusses the unknown Nazi WW2 advancements in unhorthodox flying craft designs.

I can't vouch for which of these images posed here are from these films however.

The Thule group had close ties with the Vril society, and I believe at least the former worshipped a "black sun", which supposedly is some form of astronomical phenomenon, from which one can draw great powers.

These groups of course later reformed an already existing German political party and changed its name to (translated) National Socialist German Workers Party.

It appears that it is likely that they based the grounds on their workings on books; works of pure science fiction - two of them if I am not remembering incorrectly. These books talked of races living inside the earth, I believe one of them was called Vril.

One should however remember when resarching these claims, that the Nazi's indeed did launch an expedition to a small baltic island, for the reason that it was believed that its location would provided the best oppurtunities for viewing the ROOF OF THE WORLD - yes, at least the people responsible for this project believed this planet is a planet inside another planet.

They also based much of their activities on information provided by two female channelling mediums, who allegedly told of some form of master race residing far away in space; of course one goal at least was further contact with this race.

There are at least a number of books on the topic of "Nazi UFO's" for the interested. A Mr. Goodrick-Clarke is somewhat an authority on the subject.

Of course, there is also the rumours of physical alien contact with the Nazi's. Hermann Oberth (sp), Nazi science genius working with Wernher Von Braun, was in fact quoted as saying when referring to the astonishing Nazi technical advances, that they recieved help "from other worlds".

In Al Bielek interviews, it is stated that one alien race provided assistance, since they were loyal with the aryan race the Nazi's were trying to recreate, there was a long time since I listened to that interview, but that's a vague summary.

And yes - it appears likely that in fact there is a vast Nazi complex under the Antarctic ice. It really does.

Just days ago, the Camelot Project (www.projectcamelot.org) recieved a large and indeed strange document, from a german UFO organization who in their turn had had it mailed to them anonymously.

It (written in german) appears to be the testimonial of a young man more or less born and raised in this underground base.

Also, do not miss this article from Nexus Magazine; www.nexusmagazine.com... , also on the subject, alleged testimonial from a WWII British SS soldier gaining entrance to the complex.

There was also at some point sent a letter from a WWII survivor Nazi soldier, back to "his friends" in Germany; in which he spoke of the base.

And, there exists a video lecture with Randolph Winters (Billy Meier protege), in which he shows the pictures I talked of, that I think is from the Vladimir Thule film - and Randolph in fact says these craft are from a South American Nazi base. He bases this info on Billy Meier info though, so be vigilant. But he also shows an image I hadn't seen before - in which several of these craft can be seen mounted on strange landing/taking off equipment.

"It (written in german) appears to be the testimonial of a young man more or less born and raised in this underground base. "

If you get me the link I can do a summary translation of it.

reply to post by amigo


Hm..I was wondering if I should get into this on this thread because it detracts somewhat from the original question of provenance on the photos, but here goes.

Here are some of my thoughts: it is said that the members of the Thule society have "channeled" advanced knowledge of Vril energy from some distant civilization back in the early 20th century. Is this information true or not is hard to say, aside from anyone believing in "channeling" as a mean of obtaining reliable information.

The word Vril in that context has it's roots in a science fiction novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton called "The Coming Race" also reprinted as " Vril: The Power of the Coming Race" published in 1870.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Mythos is:

"The Vril Society began around the same time as the Thule Society when Karl Haushofer founded the "Bruder des Lichts", which means Brothers of the Light.
This organization is sometimes referred to at the Luminous Lodge.
This group was eventually renamed the Vril-Gesellschaft as it rose in prominence and united three major societies:

The Lords of the Black Stone, having emerged from the Teutonic Order in 1917

The Black Knights of the Thule Society

The Black Sun, later identified as the elite of Heinrich himmler’s SS

Whereas the Thule Society ended up focusing primarily upon materialistic and political agendas, the Vril Society put its attention on the "Other Side."

A local medium named Maria Orisc began getting messages in an unknown language and couldn’t transcribe them, so began meeting with key members of these societies, along with another medium named Sigrun.
Accordingly, the messages were coming from a being from the star Aldeberan, which has two planets which form the ’Sumeran Empire’.
In the Sumeran empire were two classes of people - the Aryan or Master race, and a subservient race which had developed in a negative fashion as a result of mutation from climatic changes.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

So you know where this is going, Aryan master race, ideology, a dangerous thing.

But, not to diverge from the topic, has anyone posted links to photos of UFOs prior to 1940s? I know there were some documentaries that were showing them and it would be interesting to tie those with the Nazi UFOs because there had been photographed sightings of UFOs back in the 1920s, 30s and early 40s.

No they have not, sounds like a plan though perhaps you could post some.

reply to post by Loengard


[quote[It (written in german) appears to be the testimonial of a young man more or less born and raised in this underground base.

I think this is what you are talking about :

www.projectcamelot.org...

Welcome to ATS.

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Stop This! It is Getting Silly!!

To prevent this thread getting too serious,here is a bit of light relief.

Go to You Tube And type in "Volkswaffe" and see what comes up.

Not only is it hilarious but it shows what professional fakers can do on these subjects with really good CGI.

ENJOY.........

reply to post by Bashibozkedi




Yeah that caused a major setback, many years latter they had to go back to the drawing board.

I just have to jump in here to address some of the posters who question the German production capacity near the end of the war. In fact, Germany was producing more than enough fighter aircraft to keep the allies off their backs. The problem was they didn't have any experienced pilots to fly the planes. This was especially dire with respect to the jet planes produced as they were very difficult to fly compared with the conventional fighters.

Just check out the FW190, Me262 and Me109 production in 1944 and early 1945.
en.wikipedia.org...

Anyway my point is they had the planes, just not the pilots. You shouldn't dismiss these types of aircraft based upon the notion that Germany didn't have the capacity to produce them. They did; and may have. Viktor Schauberger comes to mind here.

I didn't read the whole thread so if someone already mentioned this then ignore me.

For anyone who is intrested in a Historical analysis of the Foo Foghters -- here is a link to the thread-- Foo Fighters of WWII - Link to old thread

reply to post by merka




For the same reason we have different types of cars and the military has different types of vehicles. They all serve a different purpose. Not every vehicle in military is a tank..wouldnd't work well for some missions. Not every car on the road is a small dinky car..sometimes you just need variation for different purposes..That and they probably were developing multiple ways/variations of technology to see which was most effective.

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
That and they probably were developing multiple ways/variations of technology to see which was most effective.

You do realize that the Nazi UFOs are claimed to have flown to Mars and back? Compared to your average BF109 Messerschmitt, I'd call that pretty damn effective! Even if we just take "moderate" claims into account, that still leave us with a VTOL disc capable of flying for a day at 5000+ km/h.

So no, its not exactly like cars. Unless you where thinking on a T-Ford compared to a flying De Lorean capable of going back and forth through time?