Are these pictures of real nazi UFO's ?

reply to post by spacevisitor


Hi spacevisitor, thanks for the links and your interest.

At the moment I am trying to not broaden the subject to much as it seems to encompass a huge field and each part probably dererves it's own thread.

Connections with other pictures are intrigueing as is the occult legends associated with german disks as the above video illustrates in fact once you get into this research it seems almost impossible to seperate the occult from the conventional but I will leave that to another day.

Originally posted by sherpa
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

At the moment I am trying to not broaden the subject to much as it seems to encompass a huge field and each part probably dererves it's own thread.

Connections with other pictures are intrigueing as is the occult legends associated with german disks as the above video illustrates in fact once you get into this research it seems almost impossible to seperate the occult from the conventional but I will leave that to another day.

Your right sherpa, no problem at all.

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This could settle the question of whether these photos are modern fakes or genuine photos from the first half of last century once and for all.

I was once surfing the German internet for pictures of these UFOs and came across on a German site what appeared to be a cutting from a contemporary newspaper. It showed a picture of a Haunebu with German markings being chased by an allied plane with a propellor engine.
The Caption read (in English) "Four days after the end of the war German aircraft still flying"

This would seem to be a cutting from an American or British Newspaper
published just after the end of the war. I have been unable to find the site or cutting again. Typing the caption into search engines reveals nothing.

The only British papers to have put their archive on the web are the "Guardian" and "Observer" and it doesn't seem to be in there.

If we could identify that cutting or better still find a contemporary copy of it
this would settle the question whether these pictures are modern fakes.

Perhaps someone in Journalism or with access to a press cuttings library could be of some service here.

(PS. I thought at the time the propellor plane didn't have a chance,supposedly a Haunebu could travel at 4000 mph!!)

reply to post by Bashibozkedi

I have found these 3 images that may fit into that category.










I think the last one could have been used in the context you mention but clearly it needs to be matched to that particular news report.


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Its possible that he came across a scale version of this

Sanger Amerika Bomber

or possibly even the full scale craft itself, but with parts removed.

I'm not saying thats what he saw, but it fits a large part of his description

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My gut feeling is that all three of those images are faked. Certainly the first one just "looks" like a bad photoshop job.

Would need to see bigger versions of the other two.

Originally posted by neformore
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Its possible that he came across a scale version of this

Sanger Amerika Bomber

or possibly even the full scale craft itself, but with parts removed.

I'm not saying thats what he saw, but it fits a large part of his description

Hm..good call neformore I think that is what I was thinking of I know I have seen it before.

Makes me wonder if that wouldn't have been a better solution than the space shuttle and look at the date 1936.

reply to post by neformore

Would need to see bigger versions of the other two.

And there lies the rub without knowing where they originated any detail analysis is a problem, enlarging them probably would not help.

Most of these photos are widely distributed but know one seems to want to brag about ownership or finders rights which could of course be significant.

Originally posted by sherpa
Makes me wonder if that wouldn't have been a better solution than the space shuttle and look at the date 1936.

There is definitely a family resemblance, don't you think?

If you've ever seen the old film "When Worlds Collide", there is a version of the Sanger used in it.

I'm not sure about a rocket sled back in '36, although if anyone could have done it I guess the German scientists at the time were best placed - but I bet its feasible now with maglev rails.

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
Sorry to say, but each time i read about the mysterious Nazi Ufos, i sigh.

The foremost and most important flaw in the story is pretty obvious - Nazi germany LOST WW2 as most are aware of. With a fleet of airfighters going Mach5-12, i bet it wouldn't have been carpet bombed that severely. Especially with the "Führer Sonderbefehl" on building those "ships".
On the more factual things, the documents are atrocious. The spelling and grammar partially make me shiver and, even when you take the madness and stupidity of the nazis into account, things like "110% readiness for duty" is no military jargon, especially in a completely militarized environment like Nazi germany. I guess, it's a german based hoax, but still a sloppy one. The "SS Geheime Kommandosache" document is a horrible fake, the capital K is an H, the writing of e is inconsistent and the used font of the SS these times looked more like this

And on a personal note, my grandpa was a ss sturmbannfuehrer in peenemuende and i strongly believe, he would have given me at least a hint about Nazi UFOs, especially at the times we talked about ufo and et.

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I agree with you that the story in general seems weak. But your comments are not very stable too.
First: Documents made up in wartime often differ from location to location. The "K" you call an "H" seems to be handwritten. It could be that there were no prefab document formats, since an operation like this would be "topsecret".
I have seen a lot of army documents with spelling mistakes. Not all soldiers are bright.

Second, this operation (if real) must have taken a lot of time. Hitler on occasion spoke of a secret new weapon that would help them win the war, maybe this was it?
Producing a number of saucers like this that would have to be capable of engaging in war and stable performance in a couple of years is near to impossible.
The germans lost the war because the plan was too big. They had too many enemies. If they had played it safe (like staying away from Britain and Russia) and slow, they would be the EU by now give or take a country (like Britain and Russia ;-)).

Is is a mystery. The only thing needed to proof it is rusty old saucers and witnesses. I heard no witness of these events. Did you?

About your grandfather. A lot of people did not have a clue of what was going on during the war, soldier, SS or not.
Look at what is going on in out time. Our own representatives in politics do not have a clue. That is why they are petty targets for warmongers and. Information rules. If you tell people everything, a country becomes unmanagable. So you give them only the information that you want them to base their information on.

My uncle rode on a bicycle with loadcard in front during a day in the war. There were guns in cases for the resistance he transported. He was stopped by two soldiers of the Wehrmacht. He thought this was his end. But they just wanted a ride. They sat on his cases and he almost pissed his pants givong them a ride. They sat on a case with guns on a weekday and they didn't seem to care, because they did not know and they weren't curious. Information rules the world. Most don't want to know.

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Reply to Sherpa.

Thanks. The third picture you post looks like the one in the cutting.Perhaps it is it. It is a pity that there is no caption with it. It would be easy enough to stick a caption on it and post it on the internet.

WHAT WE NEED TO FIND IS THE ORIGINAL CUTTING!

It seems to me that if one photo of these machines appeared in contemporary newspapers there must be OTHERS. Get looking everybody!

I have also seen a different version of the photo of the Haunebu on the ground by a house which is posted earlier. In this Version the HOUSE is IN
FRONT of the Haunebu. Of course one could create something like this with 3D rendering software but the same scene shot from 2 angles suggests veracity and seems rather involved for a simple hoax.

I have this picture somewhere and will post it when I find it.

reply to post by Bashibozkedi


This maybe the one you are talking about, apologies for not posting the link to the last set of photos I tried to edit but my edits do not always take.





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Link www.zamandayolculuk.com...

reply to post by neformore

If you've ever seen the old film "When Worlds Collide", there is a version of the Sanger used in it.

You mean this imdb.com...

Maglev now there's an idea

Reply to Sherpa

Yes That was the photo I was thinking of. You can see them both together
on this site:www.fast-geheim.de...

Which also has an interesting picture of two officers and a lady watching a
Haunebu taking off

reply to post by Bashibozkedi


Cool, nice find and that woman is probably supposed to be Maria Orsich or Sigrun from the VRIL society, (don't ask that could be a whole new thread probably in the paranormal group).

Thanks for the link

nice post, interesting pictures.

I wish I could read German; and had a copy of that book that is oppened lengnthwise, about halfway through the OP's set of pictures, because it's over 400 pages, possible over 500, is that 492 and 493, or 402, and 403?

Anyway, thats a rather larger technical book about German Ufo's either way, and if it's real, I'll say again I wish I had a copy, and could read german. Guess I could have it translated.

Any ideas on the name of the book those two pages are from?

Also the 3rd to last, and last look like the same picture, except the last was taken from a slightly lower angle, if you look at the clouds. That to me makes them "appear" authentic, but I'm not a photo expert. Then again, it could be a hunk of metal just shaped like a UFO to maybe try and scare the Allies when they view recon photos of these things on the ground, then they would attribute every UFO sighting to a Nazi aircraft. Maybe just propaganda and mind games. I guess most likely fake in one sense or the other.

Seems they were pretty well ahead of thier time with the flying wing concepts though. I reasearched the flying wing a bit and, May I ask someone who knows about the HO-229 ,flying wing; What's the deal with the big clunker of what looks like to be some sort of attenae, or radar array on the nose of the craft? Also did the craft ever see any action?

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Originally posted by Bashibozkedi
Which also has an interesting picture of two officers and a lady watching a
Haunebu taking off

Interesting because to me its just a clear show that its a fake

Here we have a super secret Nazi disc that no one has even seen the likes of, yet its apparently the evening entertainment for the man and his lady (and that's ignoring the odd angle of the disc).

The articles about the Nazi UFOs are just plain weird, I have to say that. They go on about how the Nazis had fleets of these numbering in the hundreds (with at least like 15 variants, more than what conventional aircrafts had), we know exactly how they work, they went to Mars and back, there where even those Nazi motherships with their own "Alien Debriefing Room" (no kidding, lol!). Yet at the same time, they just dont exist. They left zero technological legacy, unlike just about ALL other German vehicles. Where NONE of the famous Nazi scientists that went on to take us to the Moon involved in the this Nazi "UFO" project that must have occupied many thousands of people?

What's most amusing though is when writers go into such techno babble it sounds like they could build a Hanebu II on their own with one eye and their left thumb tied to their right big toe. Yet the poor and unintelligent rocket scientists obviously cant do it.

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They go on about how the Nazis had fleets of these numbering in the hundreds (with at least like 15 variants, more than what conventional aircrafts had)

Hm..been scouring the net for hours and I have not seen that could you post a link.

reply to post by sherpa

Well, maybe they werent that specific

But how can there not have been hundreds of them? Each Nazi UFO type had apparently at least 3 variants, each successivly bigger than the last. They where supposedly already working before the war.

Compare this to the ME262. Plans where made in 1939, a prototype flew in 1941 and by 1944 there where operational units. Not many where produced, like 1400. The ME262 could fly for an 1-1.5 hours at a speed of about 900km/h.

At the time the ME262 was planned, the first Nazi "UFO" was already flying. In the time it was prototyped (note that the final aircraft was very close to the original plan), multiple (a dozen?) disc designs where planned, prototyped and successfully flown with far far FAR superior performance. So finally, in the time over a thousand ME262s where produced and several hundred saw active service (due to supply shortage), did not a single one of the disc designs saw production or active service?

See the break in logic? Where these discs, supposedly capable of superior performance over even the very best of MODERN fighters so low priority that they where never produced? That's like the US armed forces putting the M1A1 on hold to produce the British Mark 1 instead.

On the positive side, the world would have a laugh.

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