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reply to post by Harte


If people are saying that Stitchin has translated the tablets incorrectly then it seems to me that they should know what those tablets say...

Is it Stitchins claims that he's the only one who could translate the cuneiform?

There must be other scholars who have been able translate them, no?

Brings me back to Marvin A. Powell's comment (provided earlier in this thread):

The following statement reportedly made by Marvin A. Powell, Assyriologist of the Northern Illinois University is most surprising though (rough translation): "Of the 500 000 cuneiform tablets, only 20% are published. Another 80% are translated, but we havent published them yet. They contain a lot of information on Astronomy, foreign planetary systems, visitors from the stars, and data on the origins of mankind. By publishing them we would only provide fodder for the Daniken-crowd".

[edit on 19-2-2008 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by Harte

"The Yonaguni "monument" has been addressed extremely thoroughly in the past right here at ATS. In those threads you'll see plenty of reason to believe that the formation occurred naturally.

I look at the Kimura pictures and see stairs. I read your statements that say "these are natural formations". I am in conflict between seeing what my eyes see and reading your words.

Unless of course, those pictures are deliberate hoaxes. (website already referenced)

[edit on 19-2-2008 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Found this while looking, but I'll keep looking for the arefact I'm talking about, but for now...enjoy

www.larryhunter.com...

Interesting, to say the least.

Originally posted by PhotonEffect

This one is curious:
That, after the interbreeding, the Gods would destroy the earth and remove all of their technology and left the earth for humans to develop themselves without interference.

To be more precise...the tale is not so much that technology was removed but that it was forbidden to import technology from the Gods chariots to earth in the first place.

Instead, the "Son of Gods" (renegade group) gave humans certain tools/knowledge against the will of "The Gods".

Those that survived after the flood had a little bit of knowledge left, but not much.

This is similar to me "knowing" about a Television set but not being able to build one myself.

The Enoch books are not a pleasant read. Should you read them anyway someday, note that they are jumbled together...not to be read in a linear fashion. Simply substitue the word "Gods" and "angels" and "sons of god" with "extraterrestrials" and it all becomes quite apparent.

Then its understood how "snow" lie on the ground after one of the aircraft took off.

If however you´re too lazy to read it, I will be posting passages from it here sooner or later.

Originally posted by Harte
All,

Sitchin has never demonstrated any ability to translate any ancient language other than Hebrew - which he likely learned for his Bar Mitzvah.

Even his Hebrew is often wrong.

He cannot, IMO, translate cuneiform at all. He takes other's translations, changes some words around, and claims the results are the only correct translation, thus claiming he is the only person on Earth that can properly translate cuneiform.

All this while steadfastly refusing to demonstrate that he can actually translate these writings, after having been challenged to do so on more than one occasion.

Harte

Is that so? That would be a scandal of international proportions. A bestselling author of non-fiction who bases his entire work and career on his ability to translate cuneiform...and he cant translate it at all.

I dont know. If I had no idea of a subject I wouldnt tour the world lecturing on it and write several books about it.

You are suggesting the guy is a monumental fraud.

While Im not a great sitchin fan myself, I have to question this.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Harte
All,

Sitchin has never demonstrated any ability to translate any ancient language other than Hebrew - which he likely learned for his Bar Mitzvah.

Even his Hebrew is often wrong.

He cannot, IMO, translate cuneiform at all. He takes other's translations, changes some words around, and claims the results are the only correct translation, thus claiming he is the only person on Earth that can properly translate cuneiform.

All this while steadfastly refusing to demonstrate that he can actually translate these writings, after having been challenged to do so on more than one occasion.

Harte

Is that so? That would be a scandal of international proportions. A bestselling author of non-fiction who bases his entire work and career on his ability to translate cuneiform...and he cant translate it at all.

I dont know. If I had no idea of a subject I wouldnt tour the world lecturing on it and write several books about it.

You are suggesting the guy is a monumental fraud.

While Im not a great sitchin fan myself, I have to question this.

It's your right to question me or anything else you see.

Where do you suppose Sitchin learned cuneiform?

Sitchin has a college degree in economics history. He has never, ever published anything other than his ancient astronaut books. Nothing.

That means he's never published a translation of even the smallest line of cuneiform script, other than what he claims in his ancient astronaut book.

Despite being challenged several times to show that he can do so.

Your quote of Powell notwithstanding (and I doubt that you can actually find where Powell actually said this,) you should be aware that everything Sitchin has written about supposedly comes from his own translations of cuneiform tablets that have not only been translated by others (decades ago), but all translations of which are available right now with the click of a mouse, at Sacred-texts.com.

So even if Powell did say that, it is not germane to any discussion of Sitchin, who has only "re-translated" (with his own ends in mind) work that others have already published.

I look at the Kimura pictures and see stairs. I read your statements that say "these are natural formations". I am in conflict between seeing what my eyes see and reading your words.

Unless of course, those pictures are deliberate hoaxes. (website already referenced)

No, they're quite real. But scale has not been included in most of them.

I realize what the formation looks like. But what look like stairs vary in height from 2 or 3 feet to 6 feet high. These are no stairs.

If you look at aerial photos of the nearby island of Yonaguni, you can easily see that this island has the same morphology (naturally formed shapes) as the so-called "monument." The island is covered with squarely fractured limestone formations everywhere that is not obscured by dirt or vegetation.

Did ancient man also "build" Yonaguni?

This was the first thing Schoch says he noticed when he got there - that the nearby island had the same shapes. The island of Yonaguni is part of the same formation. Limestone, as you probably know, is laid down over time in a horizontal pattern - a "grain"if you will. The limestone at yonaguni (maybe sandstone - I forget) has a natural perfectly flat surface in every case when it breaks or erodes away. According to Schoch, the stone is also fractured vertically, practically perpendicularly, to these horizontal planes. There are still very, very many such fractures visible there that have never been broken off, so this is not speculation about how it "might" have formed, these formations can be seen there right now, almost perfectly vertical cracks in the stone.

Now, if such sedementary stone breaks off or erodes, the horizontal surface that was part of the "layering" remains on top of the stone that's left. If the fractures in the stone are vertical, such erosion or otherwise removal of stone results in extremely regular faces, mostly perpendicular to each other, remaining.

This is the sort of thing you see in the underwater photos, as well as above water on the island nearby.

Schoch, who has dived there, notes also that the formation is carpeted with marine growth which adds to the illusion of perfect smoothness, BTW.

Note that Schoch (Boston University Doctor of Geophysics and author of a couple of books about ancient advanced civilizations) is the guy that dates the Sphinx to around 8,000 years old "or older." Do you think that if there was a chance, that he would simply say "Naah" to Yonaguni?

Harte

reply to post by Harte


Thanks for taking the time and effort.

Yes, I know that Schoch is a scientist gone fringe, yes I know he´s the originator of the alternative Sphinx dating. And yes I know that he disagrees with the Japanese issue. And yes I know I have posted better stuff than that. However, I bring it back up here again, because it left a lot of questionmarks in my mind when first seeing the pictures.

As far as Sitchin goes, you may be quite right. My theory on him is a little different: He has looked at the already-available translations of babylonian cuneiform and added his own interpretation to it (similar to what I do with the ancient texts).

Originally posted by Skyfloating
As far as Sitchin goes, you may be quite right. My theory on him is a little different: He has looked at the already-available translations of babylonian cuneiform and added his own interpretation to it (similar to what I do with the ancient texts).

But Sitchin claims otherwise - an important distinction.

Perhaps you should publish - Sitchin certainly makes enough off this guff.

But, then again, he actually charges you to read his latest "article"on his website.

You would probably never stoop to such activity, would you?

I'd rather do telemarketing myself.

Harte

reply to post by Harte


I few years of ATS-writing and debating and one is certainly equipped to publish better stuff than some out there.

I cam across an intriguing study regarding pre-dynastic history. One aspect of this study involves The Turin King's List

The papyrus, now 1.7m long and 0.41m high, comprises on the rear an unknown number of pages that hold a list of names of persons and institutions, along with what appears to be the tax-assessment of each.
It is, however, the front of the papyrus that has attracted the most attention, as it contains a list of gods, demi-gods, spirits, mythical and human kings who ruled Egypt from the beginning of time presumably until the composition of this valuable document.

Bold mine.

The list is comprised of the names of egyptian kings, starting with King Menes of the 1st Dynasty, and the length of their reigns in years, months, and days. However above the list which starts with King Menes the list also contains the names of a number pre-dynastic kings, such as Osiris, Seth, Horus, Thoth et al followed by demi-gods with their respective reigns in years next to their names.

Here's where it gets interesting. The duration of some of these reigns are thousands of years in length, and when added up represent a time span that covers some 36,000 years prior to the 1st dynastic king, that of King Menes ca. 3100bc.

Read the study here:
www.ianlawton.com...

more to come...

[edit on 19-2-2008 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by Harte
So even if Powell did say that, it is not germane to any discussion of Sitchin, who has only "re-translated" (with his own ends in mind) work that others have already published.

Fair enough with regards to Stitchin.

Since it was I who brought up Powell's comment on this page then I should clarify that it was more to point out that if in fact what Powell said at this convention was true then there are cuneiform tablets(some 500,000 of them) that have been translated by experts other than Stitchin. In other words he ain't the only one translating these things.

So forget then the oh-so controversial Stichin translations for a moment....

Now we have this guy Powell, (albeit hearsay) stating in front of some experts in the field that there are ancient tablets with some pretty controversial information on them and that they're being deliberately kept from the public record because of that information... hmm.

Also, just a thought:

Is it Stichins translations or more his interpretations of the Sumerian texts that is so controversial?



[edit on 19-2-2008 by PhotonEffect]

reply to post by PhotonEffect


Yep. Everywhere I look it is confirmed that first the Gods ruled, then the half-gods (ET & human mix) and then the descendants of the half Gods.

Whats more, theyve probably tried to keep the bloodline intact over the hundreds of centuries, but I doubt they were able too (as some conspiracy-theorists believe).


Concerning Sitching: Ive always had the suspicion that he is interpreting cuneiform rather than directly translating, just like Harte confirms. So its safe to say that the interpretation is whats controversial.

There are three ways to interpret "The Gods flew down from the heavens and intermixed with humans"

Theology: "A religious allegory"

Science: "A fairy tale"

Alternative/Us: "ETs had sex with humans".

Here is a little known aside:



Egypt is in the process of reopening some of the 2,000 year old and older
Gold mines in their territory. [use search engine for verifacation...]


reflect that the ancient Anninuki used human slave labor to mine Gold

is this an ~Echo~ of history?
and by 2012 the mines will again be in full production?

Originally posted by St Udio

Here is a little known aside:

Egypt is in the process of reopening some of the 2,000 year old and older
Gold mines in their territory. [use search engine for verifacation...]

reflect that the ancient Anninuki used human slave labor to mine Gold

is this an ~Echo~ of history?
and by 2012 the mines will again be in full production?

Who cares about 2012?

Some of these mines were being inspected and evaluated for possible production in the mid-1990's, in fact, one has been in operation since 1997:

According to a report carried by the Wall Street Journal in February, the Egyptian government has given Centamin title to 5,000 square miles of the Eastern Desert. The company became aware of the region's potential by studying the map, found at Luxor in 1820 and now in a museum in Turin, Italy, which shows the locations of pharaonic mines. Sixteen have been identified, but the map indicates there may be as many as 104 others. Centamin began reprocessing the debris left by ancient miners at the Sukari mine in 1997. More than 153,000 ounces of gold have been recovered there. Initial estimates suggested there may be 2.1 million ounces at Sukari, but it is now thought that there may be as many as 10 million ounces worth about $2.98 billion. In Centamin's 1998 annual report, chairman Roland Bocso described Sukari as "one of the prime gold projects on the world's mining scene." At a conference in Cape Town this February, El-Raghy said that the entire Eastern Desert may hold 55 million ounces ($16.39 billion).

From: Archaeology Magazine article dated 1999

There were never any aliens that forced humans to mine gold. That's a line of hooey made up by a con-man trying to make a buck off the gullible.

Harte

Hello sky. Fantastic post. Flagged and star. I’m not sure if you came across this web site. I know its full of a lot of religious stuff, but i have Posted you the main 4 links that deal with the pyramids. They have some interesting things to say on the method that took place to build them. That’s all have to contribute. sorry.

www.bibleufo.com...
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reply to post by Skyfloating

As far as Sitchin goes, you may be quite right. My theory on him is a little different: He has looked at the already-available translations of babylonian cuneiform and added his own interpretation to it (similar to what I do with the ancient texts).

I missed that you said this already a few posts up before I repeated you.

I'd tend to agree with what's been said here regarding Stichin's interpreting rather than his translating of the tablets. It would seem to make more sense in light of his background.

[edit on 20-2-2008 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by iammonkey
That’s all have to contribute. sorry.

Don’t be sorry iammonkey, thanks for this link, very interesting.

Yes, I agree. Some very interesting points that are made on those pages iammonkey.

Good info, thanks.

You guys are amazing...all of you.

I havent even digested half the information and linking posted here.

Its nice to see ATS-members collaborating on research (from both sides of a discussion).