Forbidden Egyptology

reply to post by Skyfloating


Really? "These are cogs! From Ancient Egypt!" Well, I don't find the claim totally unbelievable, but I do want to be able to verify it. Now you are the one posting hte image and claiming they're cogs. The objects in the picture could be anything, from cogs, sure, to weird dining plates, to like I said, proof of Egyptian ninjas. You don't give a single shred of information about the objects other than what you assert they are, and that they're in a Cairo museum.

You are doing your research and presenting it to an audience because YOU are the one making the case and claims. A picture alone is not data. It needs supporting information.

reply to post by Skyfloating

A note to skeptics/debunkers:

I am skeptic of claims that are not backed up by any background info (origin, study, mainstream theory). Calling something a cogwheel is a claim, for example.

A picture without serious analysis proves nothing. You don't have a case. Neither do I. We need experts.

Originally posted by nablator
We need experts.

This thread is for those who dont trust the experts. The picture of what I call "cogwheels" could be anything of course. Neednt be cogwheels. But as we´ve seen earlier, the "experts" will not allow any interpretation that deviates from the mundane. The UFO-like object earlier was called "a vase".

This thread was not made for the opinion of experts indoctrinated into the mainstream. It was made for the alternative viewpoint, by the alternative viewpoint with alternative viewpoints.

If I want mainstream explanation of "experts", all I have to do is pick up a copy of a mainstream book or magazine. Something I and many others here have done many times...without results that satisfy us.

Note that there is nothing incredible in the egyptian cogs. They had this technology in Roman times.

reply to post by nablator


Duly noted.

I was wondering where they might have gotten the idea from and what they might have needed them for.

reply to post by Skyfloating

This thread is for those who dont trust the experts.

I don't trust experts. I don't trust anyone.

The UFO-like object earlier was called "a vase".

Occam's razor. Maybe they don't know what it is.

This thread was not made for the opinion of experts indoctrinated into the mainstream. It was made for the alternative viewpoint, by the alternative viewpoint with alternative viewpoints.

You need experts to discuss alternative explanations vs mainstream explanations. Proving to an expert he has no idea what he's talking about is fun and surprisingly easy. Most egyptologists have little knowledge outside their field. That's why they refuse to consider alternative theories of pyramid construction promoted by architects and engineers.

My point: skeptics are useful, and expert skeptics are twice as useful. Without them this would not be a discussion forum. If you'd rather bash experts without opposition, you don't need ATS.

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reply to post by nablator


agreed

And as far as opposition is concerned, opposition is fun. Which is why I oppose opposition that opposes.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Well, in that case, Egypt was built by inter-dimensional yetis, all named Bob. You can't disprove it, it must be true. All hail Bob!

Dargo, thank you for the link on the coneheads. It is just what I have been looking for. I find it very interesting that for as long as archeologists have known about this race, so little has been published in popular journals. Few want to talk about it. It has only been I think since about 1995 that the Peruvian skulls have been put on display.

What is it about them that the powers that be prefer to keep them hidden?
It has been suggested that the heads of religion are responsible for the secrecy. How exactly would this impact them? Couln't they point to them and say, "See we were right, these are the Nephilim or Giants or those Sons of God."?

The same site has and article Extraterrestrial sentient life in the Galaxy.
I will add that I think there is life thruout the Universe, and that it is all of similar construction to that of the Earth.SENTIENT LIFE IN THE GALAXY

I have read that civilization in Egypt (& elsewhere) seemed to have appeared fully developed; that is that there is no evidence marking its evolution from stone age onward. The red and blonde haired mummies & coneheads seem to have accompanied this phenomena.

boy oh boy...."the red and blond haired accompanied this phenomenom"..

all you have to do is follow the nile north from it's southernmost points (where the blue and the white nile meet) and you can still find and see pyramids from their crudest form (south), improving more and more as their travels reached egypt. there is no great mystery. the few blond
haired mummies simply attest to the fact they were'nt as racist as
humans are today. their "racist" behavior was more associated with
non-civilized peoples they called "barbarians", not based on color.
sure there are a few non-africoid mummies, 98% after alexander the plunderer, but make no mistake, the proof is in the pudding.

it may be very well possible they were in communication with other
non-earth entities, i don't know. but i do know that their civilisation began
at the "mountains of the moon" and eventually culminated in egypt.


it is also known, both the greeks and the romans owed their knowledge of
gods and all the sciences to the vast egyptian learning centers in various locations. there is no mystery.

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This is possible already put forward but that is really no big problem I think.
It has to do what I find personally very strange, and in a way unbelievable, but maybe someone has a solid explanation for it.

How come that right from the beginning in 2630BC when the first pyramids where build, they [the Egyptians] started immediately with the building off pretty good big ones, except the one in Meidum.
So, first the pyramids of Djozer and Sneferu, and immediately after those the absolute Top of the Bill Khufu, and after Khufu the complete mess of Djedefre, then again two big ones Khafre and Menkaure and after that only mess.
See the time table of the chronology of the construction of most of the major pyramids.
Each pyramid is identified through the pharaoh who ordered it built, their approximate reign and its location.

All images are from en.wikipedia.org...

The first pyramid build

Djozer c. 2630 - 2612 bc Saqqara

Then the famous first bent Pyramid

Sneferu c. 2612 - 2589 bc Dashur

Then in the same time period also build by Sneferu the Red Pyramid which is the 4th largest pyramid in Egypt after the Giza pyramids

Sneferu c. 2612 - 2589 bc Dashur

Then in the same time period also build by Sneferu

Sneferu c. 2612 - 2589 bc Meidum

Then only some 23 years after the first one whas build, they build the absolute biggest one of all is build with no inscriptions at all??? If it really is pharaoh Khufu or Cheops who has build this exceptional wonder of the world, why would he have not let decorated it from top to bottom, to speak of all his divine deeds???

Khufu c. 2589 - 2566 bc Giza

3 Inscriptions
The Inventory Stele, mentioned earlier, was supposedly written by the priests of the cult of Khufu during the 26th dynasty to praise the deeds of the ancient king. However, it makes no claim whatsoever that Khufu built the Great Pyramid. A very strange omission indeed if Khufu really did build the Pyramid.
Moreover, 4th dynasty inscriptions found at Giza confirm that Khufu was building the mastaba fields for his high officials to the west of the Great Pyramid in ‘year 5’ of his reign. Is it really likely that Khufu, having initiated the largest, most complex and innovative pyramid-building project in Egyptian history, would have allowed any work to be carried out in building mastabas? Can we seriously believe that Khufu would have put his great venture at risk by diverting resources to the building of such mastabas in the fifth year of his reign, bearing in mind that he did not know whether he would live long enough to see the completion of his pyramid? The idea is ludicrous. The inscriptions only make sense if the Great Pyramid was already built before the time of Khufu.

Source; www.eridu.co.uk...

The same timeframe, and look what whey build

Djedefre c. 2566 - 2558 bc Abu Rawash

The same timeframe, and look what whey build then

Khafre c. 2558 - 2532 bcGiza

Emidiatly after that one

Menkaure c. 2532 - 2504 bcGiza

17 years later and on and on it is really a one big mess, how is that possible?

Sahure c. 2487 - 2477 bcAbu Sir



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Originally posted by Skyfloating
The following statement reportedly made by Marvin A. Powell, Assyriologist of the Northern Illinois University is most surprising though (rough translation): "Of the 500 000 cuneiform tablets, only 20% are published. Another 80% are translated, but we havent published them yet. They contain a lot of information on Astronomy, foreign planetary systems, visitors from the stars, and data on the origins of mankind. By publishing them we would only provide fodder for the Daniken-crowd" (audience laughs). (Note: Daniken of ancient-astronaut fame).

A superb and CLASSIC example of censorship by omission. *insert clapping smiley here*

Bet you it goes on all the time and what gets me is, What's the point?... Why?

If you really value the advancement of knowledge why do such a spectacular ostrich impression?

Those who seek knowledge should not be afraid that what they may discover might threaten what they already know... whatever side of the 'argument' you're coming from.

Nice posting Skyfloating

your answer is right there. "MOST of the MAIN pyramids.

theres so much more.

[edit on 17-2-2008 by last time here]

reply to post by Dagar


Why? Well, in years of visiting ATS ive seen that cover-up is perpetuated by only a few, while the majority simply parrots what it has learned in school.

A decade of indoctrination into "what is reality" in school coupled with a naive and unquestioning trust in authority.

Nice posts everyone Thanks for adding quality from both sides of the fence.

ha ha ha ha o.k.

i admire your intelligence to the upmost, however i will
have to disagree with the insinuation of ignorance..

reply to post by last time here


I had to look up the word "insinuation".

Hawass and other new agers


In the opening post I uncovered Hawass relationship to an ET-Chaneller.

What was known before this, was that Hawass is also friendly with the Edgar Cayce (another channeller) people:

Cayce and A.R.E.

THE ancient egypt authority who debunks new-agers on a regular basis is friends with those he ridicules in public.

I consider this proven.

[edit on 17-2-2008 by Skyfloating]

well now..that was interesting indeed!!!!!!

hawass & cayce eh?????

i'm listening learned one!!

remove double post


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