Forbidden Egyptology

Originally posted by Buck Division
What were the pyramids for? If you say they were built for religious purposes, I’m going to ask you for evidence. (Edit: see my footnote below.)

Pressed for time right now so short answer.

First, you would benefit from browsing the TourEgypt site I linked above.

Even the pyramids built earlier than the G.P. have temples associated with them. They are mortuary temples. It is for this reason that people assert that the pyramids were meant to be tombs. The step pyramid, for example, has a temple next to it that tells us as much.

There is a temple beside the G.P. as well, but according to that site (above) it hasn't been excavated yet.

There are other, excavated temples for the other pyramids at Giza which indicate the other pyramids are also tombs and/or Earthly abodes for the souls of dead kings, when they visit from beyond.

No time now to link you, but you can find all this info you want at TourEgypt.net.

Harte

reply to post by Skyfloating


I dont think Dr. Hawass is allowed by the government to reply in a positive or neutral way to questions about "alternative egyptology". Recently I spoke to a friend of mine who had been to egypt to find out about the spiritual meaning of the pyramids. When he tried to talk to locals they reacted scared. He had the impression that talking about these things would be dangerous for the people living there.

Originally posted by ambushrocks

I dont think Dr. Hawass is allowed by the government to reply in a positive or neutral way to questions about "alternative egyptology". Recently I spoke to a friend of mine who had been to egypt to find out about the spiritual meaning of the pyramids. When he tried to talk to locals they reacted scared. He had the impression that talking about these things would be dangerous for the people living there.

Another poster already tried to deny the fact in this thread, but it DOES have an effect on modern egyptology that the country is strictly and most conservatively islamic.

They are far, far away from being interested or willing to look at material that would contradict everything they have learned and taught.

On a recent visit to egypt I had a muslim tour guide "explain" to me how the ancient egyptian customs and beliefs were islamic or matched what islam teaches...and he was quite serious about all of it. All in all he was a nice guy, but...that was the most bizzare distortion of history and ancient religion I had EVER heard. Us ET-theorists are tame in comparison.

reply to post by Buck Division


Schoolbooks/Mainstream will define most of history in terms of religion.
The reason for this is twofold:

a) Before the emergence of modern science, religion = science. Therefore everything taught was taught with theological filters/glasses on.

b) Mainstreamers have a hard time imagining that such a thing as a "flying device" or "communication over a distance through the air" (wireless communication) can exist. For them, its all "science-fiction", so they must ascribe things like

"religious allegory"
"religious vision"
"religious cult places"
"religious tombs"
"afterlife cult"

to stuff that would easily be explained in technical terms.

reply to post by Harte and post by Skyfloating

I appreciate the direction, Harte and I will study that link.

This is an awesome thread, Skyfloating. I restarted from the beginning, and managed to plow my way up to around page twelve last night. When I finish digesting all the links and entries, I'll try to propose my own theory, if I think it is valid, or if it is even possible.

Keep posting, and I will be reading and thinking.

reply to post by woodwytch


So how can the rest of us channel aliens? Since we can't get secondary evidence, why not have everyone start talking to them individually? How many of them do you reckon are waiting around for us to talk to - might we need to make a schedule, or could there possibly be some sort of Q in the realm of channeling where we could all stand in line?

reply to post by JoeTheThird


Since woodwytch hasnt been involved in this thread since page 1/2, you might not get an answer here. But I´m sure you will in one of her threads.

I thought I'd freshen this thread up with an actual mystery about Egypt:

The Egyptian labyrinth was so named by the Greeks after the legendary complex of meandering halls designed by Daedalus for King Minos of Crete (wherein the Minotaur dwelt). Herodotus wrote of the Labyrinth in the fifth century B.C. (History, 2.148-49):

Furthermore, they resolved to leave a memorial of themselves in common, and in pursuance of this resolve they made a labyrinth, a little above Lake Moeris, and situated near what is called the City of the Crocodiles. I saw it myself and it is indeed a wonder past words; for if one were to collect together all of the buildings of the Greeks and their most striking works of architecture, they would all clearly be shown to have cost less labor and money than this labyrinth. Yet the temple at Ephesus and that in Samos are surely remarkable. The pyramids, too, were greater than words can tell, and each of them is the equivalent of many of the great works of the Greeks; but the labyrinth surpasses the pyramids also. It has 12 roofed courts, with doors facing one another, 6 to the north and 6 to the south and in a continuous line. There are double sets of chambers in it, some underground and some above, and their number is 3,000; there are 1,500 of each. We ourselves saw the aboveground chambers, for we went through them so we can talk of them, but the underground chambers we can speak of only from hearsay. For the officials of the Egyptians entirely refused to show us these, saying that there were, in them, the coffins of the kings who had built the labyrinth at the beginning and also those of the holy crocodiles. So we speak from hearsay of these underground places; but what we saw aboveground was certainly greater than all human works.

SNIP

And what of the structure of the Labyrinth itself at Hawara? There is nothing left. W.M. Flinders Petrie wrote (Ten Years Digging in Egypt, pp. 91-92):

Though the pyramid was the main object at Hawara, it was but a lesser part of my work there. On the south of the pyramid lay a wide mass of chips and fragments of building, which had long generally been identified with the celebrated labyrinth. Doubts, however, existed, mainly owing to Lepsius having considered the brick buildings on the site to have been part of the labyrinth. When I began to excavate the result was soon plain, that the brick chambers were built on the top of the ruins of a great stone structure; and hence they were only the houses of a village, as they had at first appeared to me to be. But beneath them, and far away over a vast area, the layers of stone chips were found; and so great was the mass that it was difficult to persuade visitors that the stratum was artificial, and not a natural formation. Beneath all these fragments was a uniform smooth bed of beton or plaster, on which the pavement of the building had been laid: while on the south side, where the canal had cut across the site, it could be seen how the chip stratum, about six feet thick, suddenly ceased, at what had been the limits of the building. No trace of architectural arrangement could be found, to help in identifying this great structure with the labyrinth: but the mere extent of it proved that it was far larger than any temple known in Egypt. All the temples of Karnak, of Luxor, and a few on the western side of Thebes, might be placed together within the vast space of these buildings at Hawara.

SNIP

The case of Amenemhet III's funerary temple being the labyrinth is circumstantial at best. There is no trace of the funerary temple's plan, only its perimeter. It is not located at the corner of a pyramid, nor does it have underground chambers. The only evidence in its favor seems to be its questionable proximity, about 15 miles, to a lake called Moeris (the neighboring Crocodilopolis is not compelling as several other towns bore the same name). For the lake shore to reach the temple, Medinet el Fayyum would necessarily be submerged. It may well be that the labyrinth described by Herodotus and other ancient writers has not been discovered, and lies yet hidden somewhere beneath the desert sands.

Source: Larry Orcutt's Catchpenny Mysteries of Ancient Egypt

Much more at that site about this subject and very many others.

How many here have heard of the Ancient Egyptian Labyrinth? Is it still there?

Orcutt's site quotes several other Greek historians on the subject that came after Herodotus.

Many here like to imagine what may lie beneath the sands of Egypt. What of this gigantic complex, larger than all the temples in Egypt put together?

Harte

you guys have me glued to this thread as an addict is glued to
vietnamese heroin!!!!!

groan.....

Another poster already tried to deny the fact in this thread, but it DOES have an effect on modern egyptology that the country is strictly and most conservatively islamic.

Unitl the mid 20th century almost all Egyptogists were not Egyptian nor Muslim

Even today a large percentage are not Egyptian or Muslim.

reply to post by Harte






Thank you harte, i now have something else to ponder and research on top of everything else.

No really, thanks.

mojo

The following statement reportedly made by Marvin A. Powell, Assyriologist of the Northern Illinois University is most surprising though (rough translation): "Of the 500 000 cuneiform tablets, only 20% are published. Another 80% are translated, but we havent published them yet. They contain a lot of information on Astronomy, foreign planetary systems, visitors from the stars, and data on the origins of mankind. By publishing them we would only provide fodder for the Daniken-crowd".

I believe you can take this for humor - making fun of the fringe is part of a number of mainstream scientists styles.

Is what he said true? Not at all

The Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative (CDLI) represents the efforts of an international group of Assyriologists, museum curators and historians of science to make available through the internet the form and content of cuneiform tablets dating from the beginning of writing, ca. 3350 BC, until the end of the pre-Christian era. We estimate the number of these documents currently kept in public and private collections to exceed 500,000 exemplars, of which now nearly 225,000 have been catalogued in electronic form by the CDLI.

hmmm that would mean then are nearlly at half catalogued and up on the net - what happened to the "80%" and hiding the rest?

CDLI link

Lets look at what is being claimed: That the world conspiracy that controls archaeological knowledge is hiding materials - so why is Powell talking about it openly? He is still active so he wasn't killed or disappeared - how is that possible which such a massive conspiracy?

Now materials is he talking about - probably these which are part of the CDLI above too.

Assyrian Library

web.utk.edu...

The Library database

Yet more links to Assyrian Cuneiform

Additional readinhg

Fincke, 'Babylonian texts of Nineveh', 2003-04
Frame and George, 'Royal libraries of Nineveh', 2005
Parpola, 'Assyrian library records', 1983
Reade, 'Archaeology and the Kuyunjik archives', 1986

Oh and I would love to see the original quote reference to that.

Here is a challenge what is the actual information found in those cuneiform tablets? It is known, why don't you research it (just the board catagories) and tell us what really in them.

Back in a few days/weeks

reply to post by Hanslune



Mainstream scholars, scientists and archaeologists aren't capable of making jokes Hanslume.
Here is the proof that they are humourless, stick in the mud, conspiratorial illuminati.

mojo

reply to post by mojo4sale

Great link. I just about fell over.

I can't add much to this thread, just wanted to say it's probably thread of the week in my opinion. Haven't been this interested in a topic presented on ATS in a while...

looks like the coverups are somewhat acknowledge by people within the profession and not just catching the curiosity of casual observers...

I'm sure whatever truths there are about pre-history and the technological, nuclear civilizations that existed before us will always be covered up by well paid 'skeptics' (sold-out scientists).

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
whatever truths there are about pre-history and the technological, nuclear civilizations that existed before us will always be covered up by well paid 'skeptics' (sold-out scientists).

As much as i would like to believe in lost civs, alien intervention and advanced ancient cultures, simply stating that there is some conspiracy by thousands of scholars and archaeologists over hundreds of years just doesn't cut it i'm afraid.
Show me the money!

[edit on 22/2/08 by mojo4sale]

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
looks like the coverups are somewhat acknowledge by people within the profession and not just catching the curiosity of casual observers...

I'm sure whatever truths there are about pre-history and the technological, nuclear civilizations that existed before us will always be covered up by well paid 'skeptics' (sold-out scientists).

There has never, ever, been any evidence found at all that would indicate a "technological, nuclear civilization" extant prior to 1945.

There is no evidence for any "coverup" either.

It would be better to talk reality than daydream on line like this. Takes up e storage. It's like filling your refrigerator with bricks and crying that you can't keep your food fresh.

Harte

Kids, you can repeat all you want "there is no cover-up! None at all! There is no conspiracy!"...

...you shall remain naively, blissfully unaware in your childlike trust of all being well and good in egyptology.

Shout out "nothing to see here! move along!", but its no longer working.
People want answers. Times are changing. No arrogant scholar, parroting journalist or paid grailkeeper can stop it.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Unitl the mid 20th century almost all Egyptogists were not Egyptian nor Muslim. Even today a large percentage are not Egyptian or Muslim.

The CIA World Factbook, from which Wikipedia took its numbers, says that 86% of egypt is muslim.

This was supposedly given to or stolen from native peruvian indians by padre Crespi of Peru. It has been labelled as a hoax because there were no elephants in south america and because crespi was known to sell fake junk-metal to tourists. However, not everything he owned/sold was fake - some of his collection is now in the museum of Lima - ,and none of his fakes look as good as the piece depicted in the picture. Also, the pyramid looks more egyptian than south american.

The only thing that keeps me curious about this piece is that it

a) Contains a writing that is not known and does not have any known equivalent in the world
b) There seem to be some scholars that say america had elephants afterall: Men and Elephants in America...this would coindide with the mormon belief that elephants existed in the americas...12 000 years ago.
c) As far as I can tell nobody has actually bothered to examine it.





Most internet-info on this is unfortunately only available in spanish, but researchers might find more by typing "padre crespi pyramid" or "stan hall crespi" into google.

[edit on 22-2-2008 by Skyfloating]