How "the law of attraction" works

Originally posted by FungShuiMyLife
Hi Skyfloating. I consider myself with a strong interest on the subject of the law of attraction and it doesn't seem to work very well for an odd reason? Any advice?

Study it some more, there are plenty of Internet-Resources. And if, after extensie study, it still doesnt work discard it and do something that works for you.

You should ignore all this rubbish, and like me be negative.

You people follow this all you want, you will not find answers here.

Originally posted by idle_rocker
I have a few matters in my life I'm working to resolve so I wrote down four major affirmations that I keep in front of me daily. I held to the reasoning that they should not be too specific but specific enough to get the job done. I'm wondering when is the best time to let them go? Does one just get a feeling that it's time? And, does one truly ever let them go? I seem to try to let one of them go only to find myself dwelling on it again. Is this due to lack of training?

Dont let go of the focus, let go of the desire (=lack).

AHHH.

Well, I finally read through all 65 amazing pages, and I must say THANK YOU, Skyfloating. I've been using LOA and some of your methods for a while now and have gotten some good results. Great job summing it up in your last post. I don't always agree with some of your posts on other topics, but I truly am glad you've shared your knowledge of this subject here.

I'd like to add a couple sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, which show the power of our beliefs.

"When you beseech Allah in supplication, be convinced that He will answer you." (Narrated by Tirmidhi)

"Allah says: I am as My servant thinks I am. I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assembly better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm’s length, I draw near to him a fathom’s length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed."

And one verse from the Qur'an:

"Never despair of Allah’s mercy. No one despairs of Allah’s mercy except the unbelieving people." Surah Yusuf (12), 87th Verse

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That # works. And It can take minutes, days or months.

"Flowers attract bees, trash attracts flies."
"The present determines the present."

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I want to ask Skyfloating what she thinks about this from the Wikipedia article on The laws of attraction:

The success of the film (The Secret) and various books led to increased media coverage. Oprah Winfrey devoted two episodes of her show to discussing the film and the law of attraction. Talk show host Larry King also discussed it on his show but criticized it for several reasons. He pointed to the sufferings in the world and asked: "If the Universe manifests abundance at a mere thought, why is there so much poverty, starvation, and death?"

King's remark is similar to a criticism that the law of attraction only works because most of the anecdotes cited in books and movies are about people who live in a culture that has paths to allow people to overcome adversity, while this is not true for much of the world

I just saw that film and realize that all of the principles of The Secret or The Laws of Attraction are found in The Bible and have been taught to Christians for 2000 years. But since I was interested in this "new version" of these old spiritual laws I went looking for more info on it.

Is "The Universe" (which I believe is actually God himself) limited to bringing about a certain reality for the person exercising these Laws if the person is in an environment that has virtually nothing like the poor 3rd world countries?

How does this work.. if I am in Ethiopia and try to create through the LOA something not found in the country.. lets say fertile ground, a hot meal, clothing heck even a BMW..(you get the point)

How is the LOA going to get me these things? What are the limiting factors?

For the Christian using these Laws from the Bible the answer would be that God will allow you to have that which He deems good for you to have and He will provide what you need - yet not necessarily all you want. If a BMW is in His Will you will get it.. but you may just get a cart pulled by a donkey.

How does this differ with the Law of Attraction as you understand it?




[edit on 14-8-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Something else I want to know.

What do you think about the Law of Attraction software like Attractor Genie?

Are there any free LOA software tools that you would recommend?

thx for the thread Skyfloating~!!

I don't' have time to write what I just realized but, from a Christian view, this 'secret' COMPLETELY contradicts what every person that has come to the christian faith.. (and s/b warned to seriously tread carefully) and that is... our heavenly Father, is the SINGLE point of blessing, NOT our thought patterns...

there is a lot more i have to say but unable at the moment.... I'll leave with this one point.. it's not about our thoughts, it's about Faith!

Mat 6:24 You cannot be the slave of two masters! You will like one more than the other or be more loyal to one than the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
Mat 6:25 I tell you not to worry about your life. Don't worry about having something to eat, drink, or wear. Isn't life more than food or clothing?
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds in the sky! They don't plant or harvest. They don't even store grain in barns. Yet your Father in heaven takes care of them. Aren't you worth more than birds?
Mat 6:27 Can worry make you live longer?
Mat 6:28 Why worry about clothes? Look how the wild flowers grow. They don't work hard to make their clothes.
Mat 6:29 But I tell you that Solomon with all his wealth wasn't as well clothed as one of them.
Mat 6:30 God gives such beauty to everything that grows in the fields, even though it is here today and thrown into a fire tomorrow. He will surely do even more for you! Why do you have such little faith?
Mat 6:31 Don't worry and ask yourselves, "Will we have anything to eat? Will we have anything to drink? Will we have any clothes to wear?"
Mat 6:32 Only people who don't know God are always worrying about such things. Your Father in heaven knows that you need all of these.
Mat 6:33 But more than anything else, put God's work first and do what he wants. Then the other things will be yours as well.
Mat 6:34 Don't worry about tomorrow. It will take care of itself. You have enough to worry about today.

The Holy Bible CVE

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Since your energy-field vibrates at the same rate of the stuff you have your attention on most of the time, applying loa for riches in Ethiopia is more difficult - but not impossible. It just requires more effort.

Secondly, yes, what us new-agers call "The Universe", Christians call "God".

Thirdly I think stuff like "attractor software" is limited in that "outside sources" have less efffect on you than your own inner choices. Maybe your self-made mind-images are better than those coming from software.

Originally posted by Komodo
thx for the thread Skyfloating~!!

I don't' have time to write what I just realized but, from a Christian view, this 'secret' COMPLETELY contradicts what every person that has come to the christian faith.. (and s/b warned to seriously tread carefully) and that is... our heavenly Father, is the SINGLE point of blessing, NOT our thought patterns...

This is a misinterpretation of LOA imo. LOA acknowledges that "Source" (God) creates but that a human has the free will to choose what he puts his thoughts on

I have always been personally confounded by this concept.

Even re-reading this thread two years later, I still have no idea how to implement this in my life. I get that the very act of "wanting" puts me at a disadvantage, a state of separation from that which I want, but I still can't help wanting it.

But, from a collective unconscious perspective, I can totally see how the U.S. - as a whole - is so screwed up.

Input = output.

Originally posted by Komodo
thx for the thread Skyfloating~!!

I don't' have time to write what I just realized but, from a Christian view, this 'secret' COMPLETELY contradicts what every person that has come to the christian faith.. (and s/b warned to seriously tread carefully) and that is... our heavenly Father, is the SINGLE point of blessing, NOT our thought patterns...

there is a lot more i have to say but unable at the moment.... I'll leave with this one point.. it's not about our thoughts, it's about Faith!

I am replying to you because I am the one who claimed that The Law of Attraction is mirrored in Christianity. To my knowledge, Skyfloating did not.

Have you seen the movie The Secret or read up on the law of Attraction very much?

I do not want to turn this into a theological discussion, but just to share a few points on why I believe this Law of Attraction is mirrored in the Bible.

I was raised Baptist and later studied many other Christian denominations.

Yes, Faith. Faith that God will provide. He is the source. But faith can take many forms.

Pat Robertson wrote about such laws in his book The Secret Kingdom. which tells someone how to operate in the Kingdom of God. A Kingdom of abundance and prosperity. Much of this book is very close to this Law of Attraction.

Other Christians have opinions on this from study of the bible.

With all the discussion lately about the Law of Attraction and the success of the book, The Secret, many people are wondering if these principles conflict with the teachings of the Bible. This article will highlight why they are compatible, show you what Bible verses support the law of attraction, and encourage you to change the way you think.

WHAT DOES THE LAW OF ATTRACTION MEAN?

In the simplest terms, the Law of Attraction says you will have that which you think about the most. So, if you dwell on positive things, you will experience even more positive things. If you dwell on negative things, you will experience more negative things. Let's see how this lines up with what the Bible teaches.

THINK POSITIVE THOUGHTS

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philipians 4:8

So, here we have the Bible instructing us to think about things that are positive. However, this particular verse doesn't say why. Let's see if we can find any passages that give us a clue as to why we should think about positive things.

THE EFFECTS OF THOUGHT

For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he. Proverbs 23:7

The above verse from Proverbs shows that our thoughts create who we become. As we think, so we are. If our thoughts have that much impact on our lives, then we better give some attention to them. But, how do we know what our thoughts are? Thought happens on such a subconscious level that we're often not even aware of it. So, how do we know if we are thinking about good things?

WHAT WE THINK IS HOW WE SPEAK

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. Luke 6:35

A true test of what our predominant thoughts are is to listen to the way we talk. Whatever is in your heart (your thoughts), will come out of your mouth. The scriptures have a lot to say about our tongues and the need to tame them.

SPEECH DIRECTS OUR LIVES

For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. Indeed, we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. James 3:2-4

Again, this scripture is showing the relationship between our words and the direction our lives take. They are connected in a way that cannot be undone. We cannot speak carelessly and think it won't have a profound effect on our lives. Because, what we speak is what we think. And what we speak is the direction our lives will take.

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith Mark 11:23

The above scripture clinches it all for me. It shows a clear relationship between what we say, what we believe in our heart (our thoughts) and what will occur in our lives. If we say positive things while at the same time truly believing they will come to pass -- then they will.

THOUGHTS ARE SEEDS WE SOW

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. Galatians 6:7-9

Whatever we sow, we can expect to reap. This is true in natural things, as well. If we plant a watermelon seed, we expect a watermelon to grow, right? We don't expect a pumpkin to grow. Why would it be any different with our thoughts? If we sow positive thoughts, we can expect to reap positive things. If we sow negative thoughts, we should expect to reap negative things. But, this suggests that our thoughts are seeds. Does the scripture support this? Yes, it does:

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. I Peter 1:13

Obviously, the loins are the place of creation -- the source for seed. So, when Peter is encouraging the early church to "gird up the loins of your mind," he's telling them to protect their thoughts -- to remain sober and full of hope.

CONCLUSION

These teachings certainly support what the Law of Attraction says, so there does not appear to be any conflict between the principles of the Law of Attraction and the principles of the Bible. As has happened in the past, people can take these principles and try to mold them into something to suit themselves, rather than what God has for their lives. These principles work for the believers and unbelievers alike, just as it rains on the just and the unjust. The difference being that the believer's life should be submitted to God and their ears should be listening to His voice to direct their paths. A submitted believer should have no conflict between what the Bible teaches and what the Law of Attraction teaches.

About the Author

Lorraine Grant operates Open Your Eyes, an information portal for Christians seeking information about the Law of Attraction from a Christian perspective.

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Jesus mirrored these things in his teachings:

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

King James Bible

In the movie The Secret, they do say all the same things that The Bible teaches like to be thankful in your daily life for the things you do have and not dwell on the negative things around you.

Many of Jesus's Miracles were done with spoken word which is a manifestation of his thoughts or by touch. But we understand it was not these acts but faith that allowed the miracles, either Jesus's faith or someone else's. That faith or belief first has to be in the mind. Of course it had to be in accordance with The Fathers will.

We understand if these laws do work, they should not lead us away from Christ, but perhaps by the same token, if people can see that these laws are represented in the Bible it may lead others to Christ, or at least plant a seed. Far too many people today say there is no practical teaching in the bible for today's society. I beg to differ.









[edit on 16-8-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Interesting thread, but i tend to be on the same track with this as larry king.

Why is there so much suffering in the world if only wanting something is supposed to manifest it?

In my life i could say the complete opposite of LOA has been true. A year ago i was living happily with my lovely wife and studying hard. I was sure my life had found its purpose and i was not even asking anything since i had everything i needed. I could see us grow old together and live happily ever after. Then suddenly she passed away, and my life is a wreck.

Was not what i did exactly what LOA describes? I could feel, i could see, i knew the future that was supposed to be.

Nowadays i tend to think that we really have no clue about the way the universe works, and stuff like this LOA is just praying on the fact that sometimes things turn out the way we want them to.

[edit on 8/16/2010 by above]

Originally posted by above
Interesting thread, but i tend to be on the same track with this as larry king.

Why is there so much suffering in the world if only wanting something is supposed to manifest it?

In my life i could say the complete opposite of LOA has been true. A year ago i was living happily with my lovely wife and studying hard. I was sure my life had found its purpose and i was not even asking anything since i had everything i needed. I could see us grow old together and live happily ever after. Then suddenly she passed away, and my life is a wreck.

Was not what i did exactly what LOA describes? I could feel, i could see, i knew the future that was supposed to be.

Nowadays i tend to think that we really have no clue about the way the universe works, and stuff like this LOA is just praying on the fact that sometimes things turn out the way we want them to.

[edit on 8/16/2010 by above]

deeply sorry for your loss....

you know what, LoA doesn't really take into account, life in general IMO; it creates this 'bubble of security' which can and has caused more harm than good. I had a good friend this happened to as well and he was devastated because regardless of how much good thoughts he thought, couldn't stop the enviable.

20+ years ago, and it's the same message as it was then, think good thoughts and you'll have whatever you need, nothing can harm you.

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hmmmm.. most of those are out of context.. especially ..

Jesus mirrored these things in his teachings: Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? King James Bible

this entire portion of scripture actually starts in 6:5.. which is talking about prayer..

When you pray, don't be like those show-offs who love to stand up and pray in the meeting places and on the street corners. They do this just to look good. I can assure you that they already have their reward

CEV

Hey guys, I'm new here (this is my first post, yay!) I've been lurking around for a year now and this thread really got me hooked!

I've been practicing the law of attraction recently, and I think it's working.. but not fully? Like for example.. I'm trying to get this girl, ever since I believe I already have her, she's been popping out everywhere, like I just came back from a club and she was there, however she was in the executive section and I wasn't sure if I should have went for it or not. It didn't feel right, and the law of attraction states that I shouldn't do things that I don't feel comfortable with, is that correct or should I have went for it?

I'm still new to this law of attraction stuff And thanks again for the great thread!

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Skyfloating,

Interesting thread to say the least!!

I wanted to ask you a question about LOA. Is it possible for somebody to utilize this technique without actually knowing about it??

But this is all done in the sense and tense (present tense or past tense) of it already being real, solid, substantial, important, normal, appreciated (rather than needed, wanted, longed for). Basically, one focusses for while (in this manner), and then "lets go of it". "Letting go" not in the sense of loosing interest, but in the sense of no longer requesting or requiring it (afterall, you have to pretend its already real).

The reason I ask is because of the following scenario...

Rich people have the luxury of "thinking" about money and can "let it go" (as in: it is already a fact) much easier then people who live from paycheck to paycheck.

Is it possible that the rich become ever more rich because they unknowingly utilize the law of attraction to obtain more money?

Peace

Def. going to come back here and read up on it.
I can say this...whether its law of attraction of just "random occurrence"
awhile back i wanted a jeep so very badly...i hardly ever seen it on the road. For some reason i went to the extent of fantasizing about it, and meticulously thinking about it more than i realized. Then all the sudden.
Jeeps were literally everywhere. NEighbors bought one, took walks same house i passed by had one all the sudden. Driving and i get cut off by one. It got to the point when i would drive i would tell my girlfriend i BET YOU i am going to see 2-3 jeeps by the time we get there. Sure enough... 9times out of 10 it happened.
Its an interesting thing when you are mindful of it

Excellent thread.

Still reading up on it all.