How "the law of attraction" works

reply to post by Tomorrow


Thanks for sharing...

Found the book and the author's site. (I have enough info though, but it never hurts to read more in the future )

www.amazon.com...

www.henrietteklauser.com...

Just wanted to mention two of the best books I've read that relate to this topic are: "Think And Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill and "The Secret Of The Ages" by Robert Collier.

Anyone else read these books? If so, what did you think of them?

edit: forgot to mention the teachings of Jesus Christ as well. You can't beat those.

[edit on 6/14/2009 by thehumbleone]

Hi Skyfloating,

Thanks for your reply. I know I shouldn't limit myself to one possibility, but here's the thing - it's a long story so please bear with me a while.

My ex broke up with me 4 months ago. It's been a hell of a dark tunnel I was in until I found peace, acceptance and understanding through reading a lot of stuff, including what is on this thread. I was agnostic leaning towards Buddhist philosophy (which is sometimes quite an impersonal worldview) until recently, when I decided to try out this idea of a personal God who cares for me. I surrendered in a sense, humbly, and spoke to Him, and I felt an instant lifting of burdens of my shoulders. It was a magical experience. So now, I seem to be leaning towards the Christian concept of God.

Anyway, back to my ex - nobody did anything wrong in the relationship. It was a long-distance thing, and she wouldn't be able to move back here for at least another 4 years. Perhaps I became too needy and distrustful, or she became too overwhelmed and couldn't juggle a PhD and a relationship, so she broke it off suddenly in the middle of a fight. It seemed terribly impulsive because things were going so well then.

At the time, I was so hurt and angry particularly at the way she did it, but looking back now, I still think of her fondly, with love, and I still believe we are very right for each other in the long term. I know I can make her very happy, if she would just give us a chance again. If I know this in my heart, is it already making use of LOA?

A part of me knows she still misses me and is probably heartbroken herself. My desire is for us to be back together, not like before, but even better... I know it, but now the only "obstacle" in the way is that our communication channel isn't really all that open like before. Should I use LOA to manifest the open communication or should I just stop at my "firm belief that we are good for each other" and leave it to the Universe to bring us back together?

Hope you (or anyone else here) can provide some insight. Thanks!

I'm confused about affirmations and what exactly they are. Why would saying to yourself, "I get 90% or better on all of my tests" be any more of an affirmation than writing down on a piece of paper, "I get 90% or better on all of my tests"?

What are all of the techniques that you guys have personally used and have had success with, and which ones worked the best for you?

Anyone have an answer?

Many times on my life I've experienced that so I think It's important to type here...

In NLP there's a concept called Future Pacing. en.wikipedia.org...
Basicaly It's a mental rehearsal to change behavior.

Now

I just discovered that I was using something like that, but without the need to replace the old behavior.
In other words, I was imagining just a line that I had to say to some person.

Thing is: sometimes I don't see that person everyday... sometimes I just saw her once on my life. Strangely the Universe tends to "conspire" in my favor, arranging events, so I can deliver - automatically - the line I made in my own imagination days before.

When I did mental rehearse I was not lust for result and I was not very concentrated also. It just happens.

When I imagine people saying things to me, the majority of the times they don't happen, same applies when I usually think that bad things will happen...but when It's me... the history is different.

Skyfloating already talked about the "movie script" one can make... and my technique is, maybe, a variation of that.

Also.. It's not that easy to grasp, because maybe It's not just me playing with my subjective "reality" and mental masturbating myself.

Seems It's the objective "reality" that perhaps is very plastic.

By the way... It's just a theory of mine... in the big laboratory that is life.

I'm still observing it.

It will be cool to see people relating with me.

[edit on 26-7-2009 by infobrazil]

Originally posted by greentea23
I was agnostic leaning towards Buddhist philosophy (which is sometimes quite an impersonal worldview) until recently, when I decided to try out this idea of a personal God who cares for me. I surrendered in a sense, humbly, and spoke to Him, and I felt an instant lifting of burdens of my shoulders. It was a magical experience. So now, I seem to be leaning towards the Christian concept of God.

Surrender to the most-high is the best thing one can do, imo.



At the time, I was so hurt and angry particularly at the way she did it, but looking back now, I still think of her fondly, with love, and I still believe we are very right for each other in the long term. I know I can make her very happy, if she would just give us a chance again. If I know this in my heart, is it already making use of LOA?

A part of me knows she still misses me and is probably heartbroken herself. My desire is for us to be back together, not like before, but even better... I know it, but now the only "obstacle" in the way is that our communication channel isn't really all that open like before. Should I use LOA to manifest the open communication or should I just stop at my "firm belief that we are good for each other" and leave it to the Universe to bring us back together?



Since you`re already in the surrender-to-God mode, surrender that issue to God too. Pray: "Thanks for showing me that this is already taken care of" and "Thanks for providing what is best for me".

The reason this is more powerful than ego-creation (which also works of course), is because the ego does not have the big picture. It only has its immediate wants, attachments, aversions. So whether this is truly your hearts desire is not really known.

If it really is your hearts desire, the-most-high / the field / the universe will have it flow in easily.

Put in another words: Anything that is really difficult to create is probably not aligned with that higher source/force.

Btw: Had you not already done that surrender-thing, I would have advised differently.

[edit on 26-7-2009 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by syntax132
I'm confused about affirmations and what exactly they are. Why would saying to yourself, "I get 90% or better on all of my tests" be any more of an affirmation than writing down on a piece of paper, "I get 90% or better on all of my tests"?

Both are equal imo. What I was critisizing is repeating spoken affirmations like a broken record.

What are all of the techniques that you guys have personally used and have had success with, and which ones worked the best for you?

More important than technique is inner attitude - wholeheartedness, dedication, sincerity. With that, any technique will work. Without it no technique will work.

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The law-of-attraction states that you get what you put out, that what you experience is a match to your overall energy-vibration.

Well, I suppose that worked with Gerry and Esther Hicks who were greedy and got lots of money from the gullible. Having worked on pyramid selling they knew they could con lots of people and had no moral conscience about it. Although to say that their energy/vibrational states were positive is disturbing…although I suppose an absolute conviction that you can get what you want at the expense of others came true for them.

www.amwaywiki.com...

A reality check here… Esther and Gerry Hicks did (like all the other sellers of the LOA or Secret) not attract money, fame and riches because of their exalted and wondrous vibrational state but because they are conning people….simple as that.

They did find a way to take something intricate, and put it into more simply applicable terms. Dont necessarily pay attention to the messengers, but to the message. The messengers are "only human" as are the audience. Both have their quirks and inconsistencies, as you have correctly sensed. If you are looking for an older and a bit more intricate "version" of the message, go back to the 1970s "seth books" by Jane Roberts.

Ok, let's look at some of the message from the mouths of these two, Esther and Jerry Hicks.

www.independent.co.uk...

"When you suggested, in Fort Collins yesterday, that if you think about a thing it will come to you whether you want it or not, and that a person draws their destiny to them; when I heard that, the words that came into my mind were: Auschwitz, Bialystock and Dachau. Are you saying that six million Jews invited extermination upon themselves?"
"We would never say they invited it wantingly or knowingly. But we unequivocally say that nothing happens to anyone without a predominant vibration that matches it." Just before Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, she says, "the people who did not want inconvenience left right away. People who are not accustomed to managing their life well, stayed."
"The poor people stayed."
"They are poor in vibration before they are poor in manifestation."

Esther and Jerry Hicks met in Fresno, California, in 1976; they married four years later. She was a book-keeper; Jerry, by his own account, had made a fortune by reaching the top echelons of Amway, a controversial multi-level marketing corporation whose product lines include cosmetics, jewellery and insurance. Critics claim the organisation has employed quasi-religious motivational techniques; certainly Amway [now called Quixar in America] has, like Abraham, generated substantial traffic on cult-watch websites. Jerry Hicks ascribes his business success to Napoleon Hill's seminal 1937 book, Think And Grow Rich.

"Well, if there is sincere desire, and you bring your belief into alignment with it, it can be. People say: could I grow back an arm that has been amputated... is this really possible? We say yes."
"Could the following of Abraham become as widespread as Catholicism, or Judaism?"
"We are at the heart of the majority of religions you would know."
"So other people are doing the same work?"
"That which Jesus Christ was, Esther is now. Not Esther alone. That which Buddha was, Esther is now. That which Mohammed was, Esther is now."

to be continued...

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(Its Jerry, not Gerry btw). The purpose of this thread is to take the LOA-idea to a higher context than that promoted by movies such as "The Secret" or Abraham-Hicks and similar. So I wont be opposing your expose too hard

[edit on 26-7-2009 by Skyfloating]

www.independent.co.uk...

To save quoting large chunks there is lots in this article that show the psychology of the man, his attitudes, previous violence and lies. For instance he cannot remember how many women he married?
So your vibrational state attracts the same vibration does it? So a scheming liar, cheat, and fraud gets to lie cheat and defraud ….makes sense in the reverse of what these ‘teachings’ say…lol

"So how was it," I ask her, "that you first came to transmit messages from Abraham?"
It started in the mid-1980s, she tells me, when the couple were living in Phoenix, Arizona.
"Jerry had been reading the Seth books [channelled messages from a spirit guide, written by the late Jane Roberts]. I was afraid. Seth spooked me. But I warmed to it. I'd lay on the sofa and Jerry would tickle my feet, and we'd read Seth for hours every day."

"They told me the name of my guide would be given to me in a clairaudient experience. Theo asked us to meditate; to sit in a room and focus on our breathing."
When they got home, Esther recalls, she and Jerry changed into their bathrobes and sat together, in wing-backed chairs.
"We put an étagère between us, because it felt so strange. Almost immediately I was numb. I couldn't tell my foot from my nose. Something breathed me. That's how I describe it. It was my first contact with Abraham. I was convulsing in ecstasy, making noises ..."
"What do you mean, noises?"
"Breathing noises."
"Ecstatic sounds," says Jerry.
"You mean like sex?" I ask her.
"Yes. The energy was so strong that my teeth were buzzing - zzzzz. Abraham were moving my head. Later I realised that I was spelling letters in the air with my nose."

www.money-health-relationships.com...

Each day for about two months, Esther spent about two hours translating for Abraham by the somewhat laborious means of nose movements. Then, one night in bed, Esther's hand began to thump on Jerry's chest. "That's not me" announced Ether, "It must be them". She felt urged to go to the keyboard. Her fingers were powerfully driven and she typed "iwanttotypeiwanttotypeiwanttotype ..." for a whole page before spelling out a request for her to spend a few minutes each day in this manner. A further two months passed with typing being the translation method..

It was while driving together on a freeway, that the next phase began. On a bend, in a middle lane between two 18-wheelers, Esther felt they were about to get sandwiched. She was scared, but at the same time she felt her jaw wanting to move, sort of like a yawn causes your mouth to move. She relaxed and the words "Take the next exit" came out. They did as directed, and spent hours under the overpass talking excitedly about what had happened. This was the beginning of Abraham-Hicks - Abraham speaking through Esther.

The bottom line is that these two clever nutjobs have a history of lying, cheating, fighting and have experience of making money by pyramid selling and manipulating people’s thoughts and their desire for their dreams to come true. So why would anyone expect truth from a liar, you will get only lies. Why would you love the message but not the messenger? Or are you saying that they merely stole the ideas in all other books on the subject. When have these two clowns (or was it just Jerry who was a clown for a living) proved that their ‘LAW’ works? They, like all the other proponents of it purely make money selling the ‘IDEA’ that it works. If you were so able to prove it you would give the ideas away for free. But then these two would be in a trailer somewhere not in the lap of luxury.

reply to post by oneclickaway


"LOA" was not invented by them. Their latest books just happen to popularize the concept so that it becomes available to the masses.

The "LOA" concept comes from the "New Thought" (check wikipedia for that). Movement of the nineteenth century. It arose with the Industrial Revolution. Predecessors of it can be found in religion and mysticism, especially in the ancient Vedas.

reply to post by Skyfloating

"LOA" was not invented by them. Their latest books just happen to popularize the concept so that it becomes available to the masses. The "LOA" concept comes from the "New Thought" (check wikipedia for that). Movement of the nineteenth century. It arose with the Industrial Revolution. Predecessors of it can be found in religion and mysticism, especially in the ancient Vedas.

I understand they did not 'invent' the LOA. Although correct me if I am wrong but the very term LOA is a modern one and the older texts spoke not of LOA but of many universal laws which all intertwine.
Then again these people did invent a dumbed down incomplete version of a possible truth after rewriting bits from other texts in order purely to make millions upon millions out of greed and sometimes delusion. They didn't just happen to popularise anything, it is a cynical move to make money on the back of gullible and often vulnerable people.
I am not sure the idea of growing an arm back is a great thing to have available to 'the masses. is it?

Originally posted by oneclickaway
I understand they did not 'invent' the LOA. Although correct me if I am wrong but the very term LOA is a modern one and the older texts spoke not of LOA but of many universal laws which all intertwine.

In an old text called "The Kybalion" they call it "The law of correspondence" for example, yes.

Then again these people did invent a dumbed down incomplete version of a possible truth after rewriting bits from other texts in order purely to make millions upon millions out of greed and sometimes delusion. They didn't just happen to popularise anything, it is a cynical move to make money on the back of gullible and often vulnerable people.
I am not sure the idea of growing an arm back is a great thing to have available to 'the masses. is it?

Well you have your beef with "the secret" and the hicks and whatever all of their names are. And much of it is indeed presented in a way that not the readers of it get rich but only the authors of it.

Hi Sky,

I was going to ask you about what you thought about Jerry and Esther Hicks but I see it was already brought up.

I have a question(s) regarding LOA. Some time ago I too stumbled on the secret and from time to time I try to meditate. Currently, I'm using a "bach to the future" mp3 I found in a post here some one created for ATS which uses binary beats . I think you would be familiar with this. I find this seems to really help me slip into a trance where I am able to visualize where I want to be more clearly.

My question is this:
How long/often must I keep it up before I would begin to see results? I'm guessing times vary depending on the amount of baggage one carries?

If this is true, then wouldn't one first need to let go of their baggage before the LOA can finally kick in? With that being the case, then we all know it may take years if ever at all for one to let go of their negative belief system. Psychologists, therapy, hypnosis... $$$

I have another question. Many times I do worry about things in excess but nothing materializes. Yet, other times I'm right on the money. (Current new boss) I knew he was going to get an offer and start rocking the boat. Why some and not others considering the framework for my energy is currently based on the "have not" ideal.

I would also like to make an observation. Now that we have facebook, we can all see how our friends live their lives in the lap of luxury. Constantly posting about where they've been, who they know, what their doing now, and on and on. Their lives are great, I would have to wonder if they have always been like that. I would also have to wonder about their upbringing as a child. |How much support they may have received from their families. Perhaps even sheltered somewhat from the evils of the world. No horror movies, no bad news on tv, the perfect Brady bunch or Huxtable family. Compare that to the have nots. Do you feel it makes a difference?

So in summary, how does one get rid of the baggage? How long will it take to change your belief system? After all, this belief system is the foundation for our adult personalities. Its far too late to change our personality, but i know you can change behavior. Eventually changing your behavior will result in slight personality shifts.

I think I answered my own question.

[edit on 26-7-2009 by FlySolo]

there is no expert on the "subject" that speaks of EGO. positive affirmations may help to start a path for some . There are many paths and techniques that have been followed through history that lead to the same place.

The movie the secret has helped change the lives of many in a positive way, and on a personal level i know of one or two people, it was easy to digest in a fast food culture. The best path is to read.

What I have done is read History... read about the cabal, the sufis, the hindus etc . My journey started with a book on celtic standing stones when I was a child. The book "Stonehenge as a Possible Lunar Observatory" by Alexander Thom and that lead to Pythagoras and on my path goes.

flaged,stared,baked n shaked,thank you my good man thats what i needed to know
not like the movie the secret where they kinda lye..not the visual thing
the feeling from the visualing is important ait?

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Good afternoon Skyfloating - I am a "newbie" to ATS (just joined today) and am particularly intriqued with your knowledge of metaphysics. I am attempting to bring a part of my life (my health) into alignment with our source energy. I read so much about the fact that in order to experience that which we want we have to already believe it or feel that it is already done. I truly believe that but no where do I found anything that tells you how to go about doing this or what it is we are suppsed to feel. How can a person know that they are truly immersed in what they want as opposed to just thinking that they are there? I personally have a problem with identifying what it is I am looking for because my health concern has been of such long standing duration that I cannot actually remember what it is like to be truly healthy! I think I know but then it seems just out of my reach and I revert back to my negative or "it will never work" mode. Do you or any of the members have any suggestions or what books or links might help me to actually bring this to fruition? I feel as though I am really close to a breakthrough and I have had good experience with just the general aspect (green lights, parking spaces, etc). I see positives in just about everything and am always in a state of gratitide (with little moments of disappointment here and there). The thread here is such a good thing and I think that my being open to this type of energy has led me to this forum. I feel truly blessed by things that have happened in my life and am just starting to realize it after many years. Sometimes it takes a really super critical situation in life to make one reflect. Thanks!

Originally posted by FlySolo
Hi Sky,

I was going to ask you about what you thought about Jerry and Esther Hicks but I see it was already brought up.
I have a question(s) regarding LOA. Some time ago I too stumbled on the secret and from time to time I try to meditate. Currently, I'm using a "bach to the future" mp3 I found in a post here some one created for ATS which uses binary beats . I think you would be familiar with this. I find this seems to really help me slip into a trance where I am able to visualize where I want to be more clearly.

One needs to be deeply relaxed before visualizing properly, I agree.

My question is this: How long/often must I keep it up before I would begin to see results?

Do yourself the favor and dont visualize in order to "make something happen later" but in order to enjoy the reality of something NOW. Being too results-oriented projects the manifestation of the intent into the future.
Then, let go of your juristdiction and leave it up to the Universe/TheField/God.

I'm guessing times vary depending on the amount of baggage one carries? If this is true, then wouldn't one first need to let go of their baggage before the LOA can finally kick in? With that being the case, then we all know it may take years if ever at all for one to let go of their negative belief system. Psychologists, therapy, hypnosis... $$$

This is correct imo. "LOA" does not work on people with too much baggage, too many belief-systems, too much information. The naivety of childlike-wonder and trust is what works.

It also does not work if its best on greed because greed implies lack and creates an energy-attractor-field of getting less, not more.

I have another question. Many times I do worry about things in excess but nothing materializes. Yet, other times I'm right on the money. (Current new boss) I knew he was going to get an offer and start rocking the boat. Why some and not others considering the framework for my energy is currently based on the "have not" ideal.

The factors involved are too numerous to answer that here. Anyway: It does not really matter, does it? What matters in this is that you have a specific intent that is not ego-based (greed) and envision it wholeheartedly.

I would also like to make an observation. Now that we have facebook, we can all see how our friends live their lives in the lap of luxury. Constantly posting about where they've been, who they know, what their doing now, and on and on. Their lives are great, I would have to wonder if they have always been like that. I would also have to wonder about their upbringing as a child. |How much support they may have received from their families. Perhaps even sheltered somewhat from the evils of the world. No horror movies, no bad news on tv, the perfect Brady bunch or Huxtable family. Compare that to the have nots. Do you feel it makes a difference?

You can see how they present themselves, not whats really going on. Huge difference. There are rich people who are happy, rich people who are unhappy, poor people who are happy, poor people who are unhappy.

So in summary, how does one get rid of the baggage? How long will it take to change your belief system? After all, this belief system is the foundation for our adult personalities. Its far too late to change our personality, but i know you can change behavior. Eventually changing your behavior will result in slight personality shifts.

Having a basic intention to grow spiritually, to be kind and of goodwill towards others and to enjoy yourself will go a long way to have many other things happen naturally - by themselves.

Originally posted by Stillalive
flaged,stared,baked n shaked,thank you my good man thats what i needed to know
not like the movie the secret where they kinda lye..not the visual thing
the feeling from the visualing is important ait?

Yes, the feeling indicates whether energy is flowing or not.

Furthermore, the movie "The Secret" presumes that you get what you want. But more specifically, want implies lack and needs to be reduced. So choose goals/visions that are wholehearted and not based on lack/greed.