Special Forces Convo : Originally Called 'For all those people who think the American Special Force

We won the Falklands, didnt we?.

Took you long enough, even with all the travel involved.

And your guys got their times mixed in grenada was it?

What

Ok this is getting stupid.

I agree, you and browha should not waste time discussing subjects you have little experience with.

Mate I dont know what your problem is.
I have already concedned that I was incorrect in saying the British SF were 'far superior' and 'comparable' to the US SF (AFTER I had previously agrued the opposite).

Instead of proving what a 'biased idiot' I am, you are just making yourself look like a right tit and a complete moron, by not being able to understand something as simple as;

'I came
I argued
I conceded
I stand corrected'

What is so hard about that?

Originally posted by COOL HAND
We won the Falklands, didnt we?.

Took you long enough, even with all the travel involved.

And I thought Vietnam was supposed to be straight forward?

How about the Korean War?
How about the most recent Gulf War? That's still kind of going on, even though officially hostilities were called to an end.

Originally posted by browha
Mate I dont know what your problem is.
I have already concedned that I was incorrect in saying the British SF were 'far superior' and 'comparable' to the US SF (AFTER I had previously agrued the opposite).

Instead of proving what a 'biased idiot' I am, you are just making yourself look like a right tit and a complete moron, by not being able to understand something as simple as;

'I came
I argued
I conceded
I stand corrected'

What is so hard about that?

The fact that it took you this long to admit.

Originally posted by COOL HAND



I agree, you and browha should not waste time discussing subjects you have little experience with.

Just because you're in the army (well, Navy in your case) doesnt mean you automatically know everything about the special forces.
I've spent basically 6-8 years reading about them. Joining the Armed Forces doesnt make you a military expert. Quite contrary, your average soldier (Especially in America) is rather dumb. I'd hate to fight next to criminals who opt out of prison sentances by joining the Army. What a crap way to run an army.

And I thought Vietnam was supposed to be straight forward?

Tell that to the French.

How about the Korean War?

What about it, you guys were there as well.

How about the most recent Gulf War? That's still kind of going on, even though officially hostilities were called to an end.
Again, what about it? Your guys are there too.

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by browha
Mate I dont know what your problem is.
I have already concedned that I was incorrect in saying the British SF were 'far superior' and 'comparable' to the US SF (AFTER I had previously agrued the opposite).

Instead of proving what a 'biased idiot' I am, you are just making yourself look like a right tit and a complete moron, by not being able to understand something as simple as;

'I came
I argued
I conceded
I stand corrected'

What is so hard about that?

The fact that it took you this long to admit.

Mate I admitted it AGES ago, about the 5th page of posts. Read the frigging thread.
It's the fact that it's taking this long, and still going, for you to realize that I admitted it ages ago that I find rather funny.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
I agree, you and browha should not waste time discussing subjects you have little experience with.

Well yeah, atleast i admit i got no experience. You CLAIM to have worked with them. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
And I thought Vietnam was supposed to be straight forward?

Tell that to the French.

How about the Korean War?

What about it, you guys were there as well.

How about the most recent Gulf War? That's still kind of going on, even though officially hostilities were called to an end.
Again, what about it? Your guys are there too.

Korea and Iraq were/are fought by a majority of your troops. I feel sorry for our boys who are being told what to do by your commanders, because they are so bloody incompetent.

I never heard about any British in Korea. A source would be nice.

France didnt care about Vietnam, that is why they lost it.
They didnt travel half way round the world to fight what was basically an 8-10 year war and at the end of it just pull out.

Originally posted by TheSwordMaster

Originally posted by COOL HAND
I agree, you and browha should not waste time discussing subjects you have little experience with.

Well yeah, atleast i admit i got no experience. You CLAIM to have worked with them. Good luck with that.

I claim to have an IQ of 165. Hell I can show you my online tests if you want. That's more proof than you can offer about you being in the Navy.

Just because you said it doesnt make it true.

[Edited on 25-2-2004 by browha]

Korea and Iraq were/are fought by a majority of your troops. I feel sorry for our boys who are being told what to do by your commanders, because they are so bloody incompetent.

I never heard about any British in Korea. A source would be nice.

I am going to be like you and point you to Amazon. If you need anything more I would be more that happy to help you.

France didnt care about Vietnam, that is why they lost it.
They didnt travel half way round the world to fight what was basically an 8-10 year war and at the end of it just pull out.

France was wiped out by WWII and had not yet completely rebuilt it's armed forces.

Well yeah, atleast i admit i got no experience. You CLAIM to have worked with them. Good luck with that.


I claim to have an IQ of 165. Hell I can show you my online tests if you want. That's more proof than you can offer about you being in the Navy.

What the hell does your IQ have to do with this discussion?

As far as my Naval credentials, what do you want to see?

Just because you said it doesnt make it true.

At no point did I ever make that claim.

Mate I admitted it AGES ago, about the 5th page of posts. Read the frigging thread.
It's the fact that it's taking this long, and still going, for you to realize that I admitted it ages ago that I find rather funny.

I did read the thread "mate," why the hell do you think I decided to start poking holes in your thread? You made another one of your rants, and that is where I entered the fray. I could not take your line of crap anymore.

Well yeah, atleast i admit i got no experience. You CLAIM to have worked with them. Good luck with that.

You also got no ability to write good.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
We won the Falklands, didnt we?.

Took you long enough, even with all the travel involved.

Yes you did indeed smack around some poorly trained conscripts. Bravo.
Poor Bastards.

Originally posted by TheSwordMaster
Ok, i will try to find those books, if you promise me you read these
Andy Mcnab - How to pass the SAS training manual
great info on how though the selection is, before i read this book i was pro-seals, but that book changed my mind totally.

Kevin Connor - The Ghost Force; The Secret History Of The SAS
The complete history of the SAS

and maybe mike curtis's Close Quarter Combat. It gives detailed info on how the SAS beats the Deltas on many occasions.

CQB by mike curtis ??? Close Quarters combat is a HtH manual (a so so one at that)

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Well yeah, atleast i admit i got no experience. You CLAIM to have worked with them. Good luck with that.

You also got no ability to write good.

Oh im sorry. maybe its because english isnt my native language.
but its good you get right to the point of the discussion.

Well there has been some warring going on here,but its good to see somebody raising the SAS banner high in the air.

There are numeous SF teams and units thought the world,but in my opinion the SAS are the most Elite Fighting unit,and no amount of arguing or debating will ever change that.

I have seen both countries training regimens and the SAS Selection and training is very very tough,you can be booted off Selection for basically no reason at all,for example the DS take one look at your ugly mug and doesnt like it you could be out,and complaining or sighing...."Boom" you are out on your arse.
The training is not only physically demmanding but mentally crushing.
Any lack of respect or slackening in the prospect trooper is more than enough of a reason to be RTUd.

I witnessed a few of the SEALs during their "HELL WEEK" and their lack of discipline during training shocked me no "SIR" or any acknowledgent of the DSs words or tutoring....but hey it could be a NAVY thing....but that wouldnt last 2 seconds in the British Army or the NZ and I am prtty sure the Aussie Army either.

You need to read deeper into the "Beating the clock" SAS mind set,a unit of single minded soldiers with "Winning" their ultimate goal hence WDW (Who Dares Wins) that which the winged dagger adorns the magical Beige beret.

I have personally met "Andy Mcnab"(Which of course is an alias,as is Chris Ryan) in New Zealand in November of 1998 and he was a facinating person,and sombody good or bad.....had the skill to enter into the "Ultimate Force".

People have condemned his book Bravo Two Zero in favour of Ashers book,as Asher wanted to boldly prove Vinces innoncence as a supposedly frowned upon soldier.
I never read into Andys book any real spite towards Vince* or any of his fallen comrades.
In fact I question Ashers motivations towards making the book,"Hey Andy and Chris" are cashing in why cant I type attitude is definately out there.
And he definately has a bais towards the Arab people as he has spent a lot of time with Bedouins.
And he questioned Andys captors about his imprisonment.......Did he expect them to say they had broken every rule in the POW handbook....FFS.. of course they arent going to say they beat crap out of him 24/7.

That said Michael Asher is a very accomplished man and was the first to cross east to west on foot and camel across 4500odd miles across the Sahara.
In 20 years he has covered,more than 20 tousand miles without the help of any man made machines.
But then again money is a powerful motivator.

the British SAS are also very security concience,my close and departed friend "TROOPER A"(T.N*).
Tried for years and years of letters to Hereford,to regain his campaign diary from his service with the malayan scouts(Under mad Mike C) and also served with the NZSAS,to no avail, they ignored his requests as a deing old man....he never got his diary....pillocks.

All he ad left was his medals and his maroon beret,original berets were white then maroon(Red Devil style)and then the current beige.

I have a lot of respect for the likes of GSG9 and DELTA and of course the SEALs,but in my opinion the SAS and the Royal Marines and the Paras are some of the finest if not the finest soldiers the world has ever known.

Not that I am bais or anything though...







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There are numeous SF teams and units thought the world,but in my opinion the SAS are the most Elite Fighting unit,and no amount of arguing or debating will ever change that.

Great, another SAS grouppie.

I witnessed a few of the SEALs during their "HELL WEEK" and their lack of discipline during training shocked me no "SIR" or any acknowledgent of the DSs words or tutoring....but hey it could be a NAVY thing....but that wouldnt last 2 seconds in the British Army or the NZ and I am prtty sure the Aussie Army either.

Where did you witness this?

BTW they call the "intructors" at BUD/S. Next time you "witness" their training make sure you listen and I am sure that you will hear it.