us planes unleash 40,000 pounds of bombs

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Problem is,
These 'terrorists' are only terrorists becuase we deem them so.
Logically, being they are IRAQI's

What makes you think most are Iraqi's?

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan


You're avartar shows me exactly what kind of a person you are, those 3 "men" have killed more innocent people since WW2 than any other group of people on this planet. "They" are your heroes, they are the true face of terrorism, hell they even coined that phrase. Do some research on those "men". If you are not a neocon yourself that is. Right wing extremists. You do realise Bush's grandfather (Prescott Bush) was a nazi collaborator? Or that doesn't matter?
www.guardian.co.uk...

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reply to post by Agit8dChop


Supposedly, are you kidding me? Ramzi Mohammed Yousef was a Kuwaiti that is correct. Ramzi Yousef was of palestinian decent and was arrested in a Al-Q safe house in Islamabad in 1995.

He said he was proud to be a terrorist against the US and also said he took pleasure in the fact that no matter what happened to him that the Towers would eventually fall (I guess he was part of the us conspiracy way back in 93...Malarkey)

By the way he is the nephew of Sheikh Mohammed (senior Al-Q member)
deceased if I am not mistaken.....Somehow by your psot I bet you know all this.

You are right though it is all semantics....at least in America you can voice what your semantical view are....try that in Saudi-Syria or Iran and see how far it gets you.

I think you missed my point entirely.

The point is, We are americans, bombing Iraqi's in Iraqi... how is this not terrorism?
Especially when we LIED for the reason that got us there!

What an insult to peoples intellegence, claiming they are in fact the terrorists...

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so being a nazi collaborator but being an iraqi collaborator is good???

I would say Pol Pot killed more innocent people...heck probably most communist regimes have killed more of their people then civilians that dies so far in the Iraqi war

reply to post by birchtree


Why would you fight in a war that was illegal to begin with? It is true the US military can brainwash you to do things no human could imagine. I ask you to start to think for yourself, wake up to the neocon spin you have so been washed with. Listen to your people (the US public), LISTEN to what THEY are saying about the Iraq war. Don't use the excuse you are only following orders. Think for yourself about how the US Administration started this illegal war, and the toll it takes not just on the Iraqi people that have the deserverd right to be left alone and not invaded by a US army, but your fellow comrades that are dying daily, FOR WHAT? Freedom?? For if you believe the great lie that you have been told, you will do inexcusable things to your fellow man. Try to open your heart, not close it away that your "training" has installed upon you. Ask war veterans from ALL wars, ask what they think and feel about what they did, ask them if they are happy today?

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Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
You're avartar shows me exactly what kind of a person you are

It shows me the same about you, that you have no sense of humor.
The avatar is for your benefit to get a laugh because I'm sure you believe Cheney is in the drivers seat in this current administration.

those 3 "men" have killed more innocent people since WW2 than any other group of people on this planet.

Yeah, okay.
That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have read all week.

"They" are your heroes

Just goes to show how you make assumptions without evidence. While I am a conservative, this current administration is NOT and I disagree with a lot of the actions of this administration.

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by Harlequin

 

You going to have to show that the military indiscriminately used WP on all civilians. Don't BS me about seeing dead bodies with clothing still on while their bodies blackened if you never seen something like that when decomposed in 130 degrees. If you know anything about WP, they do burn both flesh and clothing. Not just flesh and leave clothing behind as I have seen many of the footage.

Delta I can only hope you are polishing up your boots and preparing to deploy for your 4th tour of duty. In my dreams I see you in a Humvee with no up armor protection doing daily convoy escorts in Bagdad. Cause I know a guy like you would want to be "in the sh*t".

You may want to research the UN's position on the use of depleted uranium. Come to think of it ...that might be a better job for you evacuating wounded from equipment which has just been destroyed by DU. Then if your lucky enough to make it back alive you will develop symptoms of heavy metal poisoning perhaps have a deformed child, then you will get very sick and other big men will tell you to stop whining about the VA not providing any benefits for your mystery illness...and on and on and on...

reply to post by marg6043


Well thank you, I have done three tours in Iraqi Freedom. So I have the right to say what I said. Spouses have the hardest jobs...Yes we dealt with things, but we are there, we know what is happening, the spouses deal with the not knowing. I am now at home and done with my military career.

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www.thirdworldtraveler.com...

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"You're quite right that the worst atrocities were in 1978, at the time of US support for Pol Pot (the famous piles of skulls, etc.). That's now undisputed among serious analysts. Presumably US support is the reason why the CIA, in its demographic study of Cambodia in the 70's, denied totally the atrocities of 1978, and claimed that the early atrocities (which it estimated at 50,000-100,000 killed, a ludicrous underestimate) had ended by 1977, and that few peasants really suffered. Published in 1980, and regarded as definitive by top US government specialists (including the leading State Department "Cambodia watcher," later US Ambassador to Phnom Penh), the CIA study was completely suppressed, because the conclusions were plainly intolerable to the doctrinal system. I have a brief comment about it in "Towards a New Cold War." Vickery, one of the very few serious Cambodia scholars, reviewed it in detail in the "Bulletin of Concerned Asian Scholars" and his book, and (if I recall) gives this explanation for the CIA's curious behavior, which is not alone. In late '79, when the facts were in, the leading US government scholar, Douglas Pike, also produced quite positive comments about the Pol Pot regime. For Lewis and the like, such apologetics are not useful, so they are suppressed. His comments are quoted in various places, including (if I recall) Ed Herman's and my review of all of this in "Manufacturing Consent."

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan


So what are you doing about it? Supporting its policies in Iraq??

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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I think you missed my point entirely.
What an insult to peoples intellegence, claiming they are in fact the terrorists

No, I don't think I did because you said it again.
What makes you think the Iraqi's are the terrorists?

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
So what are you doing about it? Supporting its policies in Iraq??

The war on terrorism is not one of the actions I dislike.

If every non American in Iraq put down their weapons the violence ends. Then there will be more democratic elections. There would not be an American military governor but Iraqis in power.

Originally posted by indierockalien
This is such a joke. It's pure genocide. "Insurgents" and "al qieda" are huge cop outs. The only thing that's there against us are native people who's lives have been ruined by our holier than thou meatheaded gi joes blowing up their homes and ramsacking what government they did have fir almost 5 years now. They aren't terrorists, most of them. They are just very very angry, and they have a right to defend themselves against our fascist armies. deltaboy, you need to get over your ignorance and your apathy, because it's just adding to the pile of dung that's completely screwed this world up.

Yep, anti American here. I can prolly juts "Giiiit out" as far as a lot of people are concerned. Obviously, it's that easy.

not saying im in favor of the war, but i dont living under Mr. Hussein was exactly a walk in the park. I mean strapping somebodies feet to the ground at tying their hands to a ceiling fan, then turning it on so it breaks their back isnt the act of a just and fair person

I've noticed another point that needs to be addressed.

People are stating "Bombs are dropped in war, deal with it" as if that was a valid point.

In a war against a nation, yes, bombing is a valid tactic, because the whole objective is to get the entire NATION to submit.

But this is not a war against a nation... we stopped fighting the Iraqi army back in the first week!!!!

The enemy is an organization, not a Nation. It knows no borders...

So why do you still think that bombing cities is a valid tactic?!


Heaven forbid Islamic extremists should find a home in New York... according to this logic, the National Guard would have to carpet bomb an entire district.

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


You seem to know a lot about Pol Pot and the CIA, so why did you say the three men in 4thDoctorWhoFan avatar killed the most innocent people since WWII?

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Dude how dare you even talk to me. You do not know one thing about me or what is there and how people react to us because your lib media wont show you that , because it is not news... I think for myself just fine, I have been there and seen. I dont need you to tell me what is going on, or who is lying about what. You suppose to know me from my one snippet here. Maybe you are brainwashed by the libs.

I never did one unspeakable thing to anyone while serving my country. I put the uniform on with pride. Yes and I still do serving my community as I ended my enlistment. I do not agree with how everything has gone, I have my reservations on how things have been handled and mismanaged but I am not going to listen to someone that has never been in my shoes tell me what I should believe

I am not even sure from your post that you can see beyond the politics of the war, but then again you prob do not have any real idea about what is going on there...

reply to post by birchtree


I can only imagine how happy you family most be to have you home safe and sound.

I wish you and your family the best.

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan


You are uneducated on this subject. Convinced now. No point explaining to you not only the false war your beloved Administration took you too, but the future it will bring to your own civil rights as an individual.

I am happy knowing you and your fellow supporters of war are in the minority (which it should be). I am also happy knowing there are MANY great people out there making a difference, and not taking what they have been spoon fed by their "elected" government as truth.

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