us planes unleash 40,000 pounds of bombs

Originally posted by never_tell

that's the funniest thing i've heard all day... there must be so much sand in america these days... how are you all finding space to keep your heads in it?

I guess since you are not from America, you would not know about such things.
Plus, you don't even have your country listed under your avatar, so I guess you don't think much about yours either.

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


I'm still waiting for my disinformationist check to arrive in the mail. Can you give me a good contact where I can inquire as to its whereabouts?

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
Also I find it quite scary that the army personal use the excuse of following orders, meaning to me they have totally submitted their own souls to that industry, rendering anything they do no matter how immoral totally justified. How a human can let another direct one to kill one is beyond comprehension to me. The army does break these recruits, break them to totally be under control of their leaders. I have never understood how a free thinking human being could do this, let alone be a part of a group like this. DEFENCE is what they have been recruited under, yet OFFENCE is what they are about. Name 1 war the US has been in to DEFEND itself from? OH apart from "terror" that is.

Well, the unit I'm in likes to have their people think a bit outside the box. Not too many "broken troops under the total control of their leaders" here.

People join the military for many reasons. Doesn't matter which one they choose, but they choose to serve. You might think it's big laughs, but that's OK. No one is going to get upset over what a few people think about them.

reply to post by GT100FV


You didn't read my earlier post, in it it states the CIA (is a US faction no?) supported what happened there, and not just there all over the world. Why didn't they start a war there if so many people were been killed?

If you think I don't know what exactly the CIA did then and does now and who was in charge (then and now), and how they are related, please explain to me how the CIA operates and what exactly for?

watchZEITGEISTnow

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Could you be a little more specific? I can't answer you when you leave out what you are referring to.

reply to post by jerico65


I dont ever try to say I know what another person thinks. That is impossible and invalid.

OK, so you're in the army (so you say), if the orders came through to kill US citizens on US soil would you comply?

watchZEITGEISTnow

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


I'm in the Army too, and you just don't get orders like that for one. Secondly nobody in the US military would say "roger that" and go kill another American. You have a profound misunderstanding of what kind of people are in the military, or how it functions.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
OK, so you're in the army (so you say), if the orders came through to kill US citizens on US soil would you comply?

That doesn't even deserve an answer, and really doesn't have much to do with the subject at hand.

Just another thing I want to add... it's not an argument, but rather a correction.

Some of you are clearly confusing the WEIGHT of the bombs with the YIELD of the bombs.

Especially early on in the discussion when comparing cruise missiles with bombs... BIG difference.

The weight of the bomb is the actual weight if you were to place it on a scale.

The yield of the bomb is the force exerted outward from the center of the blast.


IE: A 50 Kiloton warhead, doesn't actually weigh 50,000 tonnes.

I know I'm dumbing it down, but enough people have screwed it up that I feel I have to clear that up.

So I am guessing now, if you are both in the US Army (you both say so), that say hypothetically if martial law was declared, and use of force against your people was ordered to the point of shoot to kill you would not respond? You would directly disobey that order? (and I hope you would). Hypothetically what would happen to you if you did disobey a direct order like that?

watchZEITGEISTnow

Originally posted by interestedalways
Some of us aren't sure who the Bad Guys are.

The majority of the Iraqi's did not want this war. They don't want us there and many of them ARE innocent of any crime.

But, but, they supported the terrorists of 9-11 (Bush inferred). And they had weapons of "mass destruction" (Colin Powell's U.N. testimony [not under oath]. Osama Bin Laden is still out to get us, (dead three years?).

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


You're gonna have to be more specific with your hypothetical situation. No service member is gonna start executing citizens, not even if martial law were declared. Deadly force would be used for self defense, or to protect facilities/installations, or other people only(in other words - no Kent State or Tianiamen square type scenarios). It wouldn't be a case of an offensive mission, shooting up communities to keep them in line. You wouldn't have to worry about martial law unless Washington DC got hit with a nuke, biological, or chemical weapon that took out most of the government command and control.

[edit on 11-1-2008 by GT100FV]

What is the point?? seriously...
Why are we even in Iraq in the first place?
Its just killing innocent people - where has it got us? Nowhere
There has been no improvent to ANYTHING since we entered Iraq, in fact, there's probablt been more of a loss with all the people and soldiers who have died, if anything.

Laura x

4thDRWhoFan...
That is the best damn avatar Ive EVER seen! Have to be careful not to drink anything when I look at it cause Ill crack up so hard itll spurt out my nose....

Anyways back to subject....
40,000 lbs? Thats it? Im kind of at a loss here cause yes the result on the ground was hell but but...I mean...damn...when I hear "massive bombing run" I think about the non-stop wave after wave Linebacker and Linebacker 2 campaigns from Vietnam and the Luftwaffe turning Stalingrad into a pile of cinders...

Im kind of sure but I think I got the mission names from Nam right. Pls correct if not...

I truly feel fully and succesfully desensitized at the moment....realistically I do believe the targets were ligit. Happy sigh...

I realize and fully understand and accept as absoloutely AWFUL the fact that innocent ppl have been turned to unrecognizable chunks amongst the rubble..sad sigh..need more prozac..I think..makes me moody and forget things sometimes but who needs free will?

Is there anything in Iraq that would require waves of B-52s? Anybody? Seriously...

The name of this game is keeping oil OFF of the market (if peace in Iraq prevails the oil starts flowing abundantly and supply goes up, price goes down; simple economics). Oil price around $20 per barrel while Saudi's economy was in shambles, before the occupation - Six years later almost $100 a barrel, and the economic woes in S.A. are over and the kingdom are more secure than ever. Contracts constantly upped and renewed, a virtual deregulated meccah where the rich get richer and everyone else goes unemployed and lucky even to have running water, working sewage and uninterrupted power...

Yep it's working! and did anyone notice that the bombs were dropped just as it looked like oil was bigging to slip? Go back to $50, are you kidding? Can't have that now can we?

If you haven't already check out Greg Palast and his recently updated book "Armed Madhouse".

"The majority of the Iraqi's did not want this war. They don't want us there and many of them ARE innocent of any crime."

Generally the country being bombed would prefer, believe it or not, to not be bombed.

Also, as for this nonsense about the U.S. bombing civilians in this raid -- It was actually delayed thirty minutes so as to evacuate spotted civilians in the area, when spotted via drone.

Continue on with your anti-American rampage now.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

I have a hard time understanding some peoples line of thought. No doubt the people I do not understand, do not understand my line of thought. So who is right, who is wrong? Well both sides would be biased to their own opinions I would say.

However, in war, bombs get dropped.

Who they kill is determined by "us, or them" .. There is no inbetween there is no gray about it. Its them, or us.

If a bomb kills civilians, thats just to bad. Perhaps we should not have gone to war, no doubt, but we are at war, and thus all else is quite honestly besides the point.

So in your opinion if an Iraqi went to Timesquare and blew up 1000 civilians then would that be justified move in war?

obviously i would not condone this.....





[edit on 11-1-2008 by Sandals24]

40,000 lbs of bombs would equate to 80 each 500 lb bombs.
or whatever mathematical division you would feel is appropriate

40,000 lbs of ordnance could also be 500 each 80 lb bomb-letts

the explosive power is another factoid, interesting to the war dept. bean counters


logic might lead one to estimate that in the southern section of the city
there might be about one or two dozen sites that were used as havens by the AQ insurgents... 1 day of sorties by 10 aircraft could drop those 80
laser guided bombs on those 12-24 targets in time for the pilots and flightlines to have a normal day

[edit on 11-1-2008 by St Udio]

Originally posted by interestedalways
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[edit on 10-1-2008 by interestedalways]

i watched this video yesterday before signing off. i took it to bed with me and the memories of it still lingers with me today.

i am a mother first. what ever i do in life eventually comes back down to my children. i just cannot imagine losing my son or my daughter.

thanks, interestedalways, for getting to the heart of the matter.

Originally posted by skyshow
The name of this game is keeping oil OFF of the market (if peace in Iraq prevails the oil starts flowing abundantly and supply goes up, price goes down; simple economics).

Wow, I guess you have it all figured out now. Let's see.......the initial reasoning was Bush wanted the cheap oil and he would take it by force to bring prices DOWN to help his poll numbers and reduce gasoline costs. Now you are sayinig its to bring UP the prices.

Look, you cannot have it both ways and your theory just does not hold up against logical reasoning.