Pakistan says sunroof, not bomb or bullets, killed Bhutto

Black Project - Well,yes. A ContreCoup type injury can cause intense and rapid swelling within the skull, causing pressure to build, destroying brain tissue and can kill. Think of standing in front of a wall and banging you head into it. You will have damage in the area of your forehead, but as the brain slams into the back of your skull, then forward again, you have multiple sites of injury. Now the brain is encased by your skull, but it's surrounded by a thin layer of fluid (CSF type). That is maintained at a constant pressure. The injury will damage blood vessels and cause swelling (fluid and blood).
BUT...
The injuries described by the ER docs over there describe something entering her brain. It could have been with such force that maybe a combo shrapnel and a head "bump" could cause it.
I personally think she was shot.

Where's the footage? Down at the lab being 'doctored' i imagine.

Since this is a conspiracy site, please let me induldge the following thought: the gunman/bomber was a decoy. The real assassin sent by Musharraf took a pre-determined vantage point and, using a scoped rifle, shot a large caliber bullet made of ice into the back of Bhutto's head. A lot of damage and no bullet to be found.

Seems like the swelling scenario would take some time and offer doctors some chance of alleviating the pressure. How much time typically would you think someone with this type of head would have before death.

Thinking about typical sunroof..they retract toward the back so if as wording describes she struck that and she was facing the front of the car then I guess that would be the back of her head.

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Its giving me shivers down my spine and flashbacks of the scene from JFK on Capitol Hill where Donald Sutherland blows the lid on the plot to Costner...three points:

1)who had the power to scale back Bhuttos security after the first unsuccessful attempt, to allow the assassin that close to her motorcade?

2)who had/has the power to manipulate the media coverage of the event and speculative-analytical aftermath?

3)what could be gained from such a high-profile public death?

I have thought that maybe Musharaaf was involved. I don't know though. He's not exactly the most stringent anti-democratic individual I can think of over there. Although it is a fact that he is a dictator, when compared to others, his track record isn't nearly as obliterated.

With that being said, Bhutto may have very well been on her way to getting elected in as leader of Pakistan. Honestly, I'd be looking at the other opposition leader as a suspect. I can't call his name right now, but, he would definitely be unders uspicion in my book.

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Nawaz Sharif is the guy you're thinking of...and he's been strangely low-profile since his last attempt to enter pakistan on the 10th sept

Originally posted by citizen smith
Nawaz Sharif is the guy you're thinking of...and he's been strangely low-profile since his last attempt to enter pakistan on the 10th sept

Yeah, that sounds about right. I saw a short blurb from him on the news yesterday, but I really couldn't make out what he was saying.

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BP - two issues are here.
1 - Time. It was against her. The response time to get to her and get her to surgery was not fast. She was at the center of a large crowd. The location was bad for her, good for the killer. And for time - minutes is all you need to cause sufficient damage that will lead to death.
2 - Location is the other - again - lower in the head (high neck) is going to kill you faster. Just think if you were to cut a small vein in your arm - you will bleed for a while, it will stop and all is well. The capillary system (and artery and vein) it very intense in the brain. Most of the oxygenated blood from the heart goes here first. So, you get injured, you bleed badly, it has no where to go, and you die.

Hd21,
Thanks for expert answers!
BP

It was apparently in the temple area......and they are saying it was a lever on the sunroof that caused the fatal blow...

Others in the vehicle did survive ( I'd like to hear their versions!)

This also claims there is a video of the blast itself....and that a 'post-mortem' of some sort was done.....??

"If she had not come out of the vehicle, she would have been unhurt, as all the other occupants of the vehicle did not receive any injuries," ministry spokesman Brigadier Javed Cheema said.

He said the post-mortem on the populist opposition leader, whose funeral earlier Friday was attended by hundreds of thousands of mourners, found her mortal wound came when she tried to duck after the bomber attacked.

The bomber also apparently fired three times at her but missed, Cheema said.

When she ducked, she hit the lever of the sunroof of the car that was to speed her away from a campaign rally as she was gearing up to contest parliamentary elections set for January 8.

"The lever struck near her right ear and fractured her skull," Cheema said. "There was no bullet or metal shrapnel found in the injury."

Cheema showed a brief video of the moments before the attack and the blast itself but it was unclear.

Source:
afp.google.com...


One photographer's account and photos (just stills).

Look, folks, my point is simple. It really matters not if it was an "accident" or not. It is apparent to any clear minded individual as to what his/ their intentions were, and they accomplished it. Any assertion other than that is pure speculation and apologetics for people who really have no excuses other than hate.

What's the difference?

If you're standing on the edge of a cliff and a herd of buffalo is stampeding at you and you jump, it was still the buffalo that caused your death, even if you died from falling off of a cliff.

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Precisely, my point.
Some are trying to act as if to say, "See, it really wasn't the guy who blew himself up that killed her, but the blow to the head. It was an acccident." BS...

Although it is still the gunmen that caused her death indirectly, it is still very odd that there was such discrepancies in the story.....


First its a sniper, then there is a video of a handgun with blood and she was shot in the neck and chest, now there is no bullets??? What happened

Good point. SoT. The simple matter is she is dead. In the long run, I do not believe it was in Musharaf's best interest to kill her. Nor do I think Al-Qaeda is responsible. Maybe somewhere in the middle. I am worried about the Nukes in that country since it appears it is in for some turmoil. It would be a good excuse to start warmongering.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
The real assassin sent by Musharraf took a pre-determined vantage point and, using a scoped rifle, shot a large caliber bullet made of ice into the back of Bhutto's head. A lot of damage and no bullet to be found.

That is my impression of what went down (never heard of ice bullets before though :up but without the footage its nigh impossible to know for sure. I dont pretend to know enough Pakistani politik to even guess who set up the deed. The place just seems too hot with too many vested interests.

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Well, you see, that is the danger of Musharaaf's regime falling. If it does, that country become complete chaos. When 9/11 happened, at least Musharaaf had enough foresight to tell his military to hide the nuclear arsenal. He knew all hell was about to break loose. I have much more respect for him than I do many of the other Muslim nations.

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Good point concerning nukes in this unstable time..should the UN send forces there ASAP? Also will this prompt any action by long term enemy India?

Maybe, because the 'official' gunman was behind the car and Bhutto, they had to somehow explain an entry to the temple of the head from the front without implicating a second gunman, aka Kennedy style. So they came up with the sunroof lever.

And they buried her pretty quick with no autopsy. This definetely looks like another grassy knoll event..

Edit : Can't spell Knoll.. gnoll .. gnowl..

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