CIA Operation "Pliers" Uncovered in Venezuela

Originally posted by Polite American
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

You seem to have alot of animosity towards the CIA and the U.S. for that matter I am interested to know why? As far as I know I don't believe the CIA has ever butted into any banana republic's politics..besides maybe Haiti? just curious as to where the animosity is coming from. What say you?

Probably because of people like you and hotwings

[edit on 29uThursday07/27/20 by paul76]

Originally posted by paul76
This thread surely demonstrates the best of America and the worst of America.

I'm truly flabbergasted by some of the backward ridiculous opinions of the war mongering idiots who choose to lead life in menace and not peace.

I truly am speechless!

I am just curious as to what you consider war mongering? is it because a few of us Americans still have some pride in our country and its citizens? Is it because we still know that CIA operatives are also humans and are just strictly following orders, to say that the CIA are a bunch of monsters is not fair to the good and decent men and women that serve in the CIA.

I on the other hand am also speechless at the cowardly stance alot of you that consider yourselves Americans take anytime any American bashing begins to take place. YES EVERYONE HATES US...SO WHAT, DEAL WITH IT.
lukewarm has never worked for me.

Originally posted by NGC2736
What if I come to your house and tell your kids that they ought to sue you for being bad parents? What if I provide them with a lawyer, while I'm at it? What if I tell all your neighbors that the kids are worried because you're a pedophile? What if I bribe the social services to inspect your home? What if I call your boss and tell him you're a drunk? What if.....

This sounds familiar to what I've seen... folks going around claiming to be with the CIA or to be "Federal Investigators" doing these kinds of things. I mean, they were probably more likely time travellers or aliens but still... they said CIA... and the stuff that you describe in your post looks way too familiar!

I'd be interested to hear how you found out about stuff like that, because anyone I try to discuss stuff like that with says "I don't know what you're talking about".

Sometimes war or the prevention thereof makes savages out of the most noble men.

Thats not true in any way, thats how people deal with bad decisions that could have been delt better with. If someone truely leads by example(and is noble), others will do so naturally. War is for defence, not pushing views,ideology,religion,corporate belifes, and or greed.

So, you're willing to unequivocally trust the Venezuelan government? I'm sorry, but until I see the actual document, accompanied my John McConnell's finger prints, i'll give my country the benefit of the doubt.

reply to post by Polite American


Why do you ask a question which has already been answered in an earlier post in this thread already?

And the question should be "why I have animosity against the CIA, not the U.S." because I believe the U.S. should be as it was designed to be. The real idea behind the country... By the people and for the people; something which it is definitely not anymore. Especially since December 1913.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
reply to post by Polite American

 

Why do you ask a question which has already been answered in an earlier post in this thread already?

And the question should be "why I have animosity against the CIA, not the U.S." because I believe the U.S. should be as it was designed to be. The real idea behind the country... By the people and for the people; something which it is definitely not anymore. Especially since December 1913.

Since 1913? Oh, silly me. The fight and eventual triumph of the civil rights movement is meaningless. The protests which finally brought the United States out of the Vietnam travesty are laughable as well. Public outcry is encouraged by our Bill of Rights, and has been successfully implemented by every generation of Americans but, you're right, we haven't been a "real" free nation since 1913. /end sarcasm.

reply to post by LordBaskettIV


War is for profit. Practically every major war in the 20th and 21st centuries were escalated into being wars by people willing to profit from the wars. That's where you make the most money out of anything. Getting big countries in debt so that they can buy weapons to fight their wars. Countries that wage war take huge loans at banks to do so. The U.S. included. On those loans they pay interest the interest is guaranteed because it comes from the tax payers. This is one of the main reasons why there is war. The CIA is just one of the entities used to ensure that third world countries take or keep loans and to insure that corporate interest remain above those of the common people.

reply to post by PartChimp


Then you don't know what really matters...

Originally posted by TheBandit795
reply to post by PartChimp

 

Then you don't know what really matters...

I'm not quite sure what this is even supposed to mean. Civil rights don't matter? The freedom to protest and object to one's government doesn't matter? In case you didn't do any more research on the situation in Venezuela, student protesters there have been murdered by the Venezuelan police, and as for Chavez' comments on the situation? "It is their fault for behaving "violently"." How many "9/11 Truther" protests have ended in the public murder of its supporters? The United States is the most freedom driven nation on the planet, despite how our government may gunk up the situation.

reply to post by TheBandit795


I was commenting more on what war is actually good for(ie defence in the face of danger). I agree totaly that it is used for monetary gain by the current "powers"
, I was not defending them is any way. Sorry if I wasn't too clear on that, but we do agree here.


As to Chavez...
If Chavez is so bad, his own people with deal with him... or is that something only george washington(or americans) can accomplish? Like I said, it's none of the CIAs buisness, we don't live there. People here are acting like he is hitler, when he is not.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
reply to post by Polite American

 

Why do you ask a question which has already been answered in an earlier post in this thread already?

And the question should be "why I have animosity against the CIA, not the U.S." because I believe the U.S. should be as it was designed to be. The real idea behind the country... By the people and for the people; something which it is definitely not anymore. Especially since December 1913.

So what in the world does the Federal Reserve have to do with the CIA and your animosity towards it?

Thats stupid, who killed him is related to Sean Taylor the Redskin player. After all it says who KILLED him in past tense. Wouldn't be the first time by the CNN. After all we know the fiasco with the CNN on Bush. Whos side is CNN on anyways? I don't know. Perhaps Venezuela?

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

As to Chavez...
If Chavez is so bad, his own people with deal with him... or is that something only george washington(or americans) can accomplish? Like I said, it's none of the CIAs buisness, we don't live there. People here are acting like he is hitler, when he is not.

Nice thought for an idealistic world.

However, back to reality, the first thing a dictator does is make sure that it is almost impossible for anyone to challenge their power. So, your idea to let the people handle it is both naive and unrealistic. Have you not been reading the news about chavez's referendum? The main purpose is to allow him to retain power indefinately, plus give himself even more power.

reply to post by Polite American


Lol, what a loaded question! Totally off topic to the CIA being in Venezuela though.

Originally posted by SimiusDei


Well, it certainly appears that the CIA has not lost it's desire to deceptively push it's will upon the rest of the planet.

THIS, my fellow Americans, is the reason why so many countries hate us.

It's the lunacy of those that act ON OUR BEHALF that give the United States such a bad name.

The only source for this story is the Chavez government, the same government that is saying if you vote against the reforms that you are a traitor. Very convenient this document comes out, just before the election, proof that the evil American government, which Chavez claims to be protecting his people from, is trying to manipulate the election. It is the same meme we've heard before, that there is no possible way for the Venezuelan people to be against Chavez, unless there is CIA agitation. And if the Venezuelan people pass these "reforms" it will allow Chavez to better protect them from the evil Americans.

You are falling for exactly what Chavez wants you and the Venezuelan to believe. This, my fellow Americans, is the very definition of "useful idiot." The march towards authoritarianism is excused, because this supposed champion of the people is protecting his nation from the evil Americans.

But go ahead, believe he is a man of the people, just trying to protect them; but to do that, you'll have to ignore the coup he orchestrated, the shut-down of opposition media, the jailing and violence against opposition voices. But that's okay, right? Because he's protecting the people from the CIA.

[edit on 29-11-2007 by SaviorComplex]

reply to post by LordBaskettIV


Sir until you have been there and seen what good men have had to do to insure the freedom of the many you may not understand from where I come. It wasn't done from desire but from necessity. Sometimes the few must suffer for the many. Unfortunately we do not live in a utopian society.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

reply to post by centurion1211



That still doesn't make it our buisness, does Venezuela not have any neiboring countrys? Have the people of Venezuela petitioned the UN for help? When did we vote to let the CIA go to Venezuela...or de have zero checks and balaces now?

In the real world no dictator can stop a bullet, maybe those dead student protesters should have bought guns, or infiltrated the goverment themselves to inact change. Basicly, why is this our(the USA's) problem? Shouldn't bush be talking to Chavez outright instead of sending HIS GOONSQUAD? It's a two way street.

They're plotting to subvert the course of a democratic referendum and to go so far as to use force to destabilize the elected government.

I'm outraged and I've had enough of this type of crap being done in MY name.

Question for you, my friend.

How do you know this is being done in your name? How do you know this is even true? Because Chavez tells you it's happening?

I know you think you're a smart man. You think you are exercising the critical-thinking centers of your brain by hating the of the CIA, and thinking your country is the source of all evil and ill in the world. I would suggest focusing those same critical-thinking skills away from DC and towards Caracas.

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
reply to post by centurion1211

 

Basicly, why is this our(the USA's) problem? Shouldn't bush be talking to Chavez outright instead of sending HIS GOONSQUAD? It's a two way street.

Because chavez is making it the U.S. business by making threats, cozying up to enemies, and also being the source of illegal drugs that come here. He has also made it clear that he intends to acquire weapons that are more offensive rather than defensive in nature. Last, he believes that his brand of "socialism" needs to be exported to those nearby countries you mentioned and elsewhere. If it is so wrong for the U.S. to "export its ideals", then it is wrong for chavez.

And now most telling, you (and this goes for many here) advocate that the people of venezuela should step up and sacrifice their own lives if necesaary to stop their tyrant. At the same time you seem to feel Bush is that same kind of "tyrant" but seem willing to only "do something about it" by anonymously pounding your keyboards. No doubt that will bring about change here in a hurry. Not willing to take any personal risks for your own beliefs, as it were. [/sarcasm]