CIA Operation "Pliers" Uncovered in Venezuela

Originally posted by Polite American

I will not argue the point that sometimes ulterior motives are given to quelsch the whining of some of those that would oppose our governments clandestine actions. but get this straight: AS LONG AS IT BENEFITS MY FAMILY, FRIENDS AND FELLOW AMERICANS (yes even you) I FOR ONE AM HAPPY that the CIA is doing their thankless job and will back hem 100%.

its not so much quelching the whining of people opposing, its more like they couldnt very well come out and say, "we want to out Chavez because he will not oblige our oil interests for pennies on the dollar, so we plan to secretly arm opposition groups to assasinate him so we can install a business friendly dictator and keep pumping oil at dirt cheap prices while you enjoy 3 dollar a gallon gas, and we record record profits next quarter."

if this is what it takes for america to be a successful world power, the bullying and suppression of others, how long do you think we can possibly last? Roman empire ring a bell?




[edit on 30-11-2007 by turbokid]

reply to post by turbokid
the roman empire fell because they overextended themselves and kept conquering countires and bring them under roman rule. the us is not doing this. the us is simply manipulating things behind the scemnes to achieve favorable reslts that benefits the us. and if it happens to also benefit the other country everyone wins.
and on this complaining about 3 dollar a gallon crap. i haveno problem with 3 dollar a gallon prices. ask around the world what they pay.
ever bought a gallon of milk? a gallon of orange juice? gasoline is cheap at 3 dollars a gallon. consider us lucky to only be paying this much.
IT COULD BE AND WILL GET WORSE

reply to post by Polite American


No, I think the Domino Effect stops here. The working class human being is going to work everyday, to support these Operations that the working class wouldn't support if they knew the truth.

We don't need the CIA sticking their noses in other peoples business.

We don't need the CIA spraying crop killing pesticides on people with farms to kill the coke plants.

Who voted them in, anyway?

reply to post by PartChimp


Uhm.. Nope. I think I was a little bit too harsh at that moment. Civil rights and human rights do matter. And it's obvious that Chavez doesn't care about human rights, and it's paranoid. But it should be up to the Venezuelians to solve their own problems untill they start asking for help. Untill now, the only ones asking for help are the wealthy socialites who were in power and oppressed the majority of the Venezuelian population before Chavez became president.

But the most important problem is and will remain the International Bankers and their death grip on the economies of the western world and (by proxy) on a great part of the third world because of them being in control of the money supply, having the power to devalue money at will; setting up systems that gets governments and people in debt as much as possible (which is economic slavery IMO), and threatening, imprisoning and/or murdering any government official who dares to take some of their power away (JFK anyone?). The last president to have some success against them without personal repercussion was Andrew Jefferson when he refused to renew the charter of the 2nd Central Bank of the U.S.. The latest Central Bank, the Federal Reserve has been succesful for almost 100 years on the other hand.

The is the biggest problem in the world today. The other problems, such as Chavez, and the wrongdoings of the CIA stem from this source of most problems. That and Chavez having full suppport of South American countries paying off their debt to the IMF, which is the part of the Central Bank of the world.

reply to post by Polite American


Check out my post right above this one.

The CIA is just a force used to keep this system in place where third world countries are subject to the rules of Western countries like the U.S. to ensure that these countries either take debts or stay indebted to the IMF and to ensure that big businesses can do whatever they want in those countries for their own profit. And I don't think that the U.S. is the only country employing such tactics.

And I hope you don't think that that's how the world should work.

[edit on 30-11-2007 by TheBandit795]

Wow it seems that some of you really believe that Chavez is the evil guy in this story.. You know why? Not because you have met the guy or that you are from Venuzuela, it's because your television and newspaper says so..

The "Chavez is evil" propaganda campaign is commanded by the same people who wanted you to believe that there are WMD's in Iraq or advanced Al-Qaeda bases in Thora Bora, that Iran wants to nuke the world and many many other lies. Dont you see the bigger picture?
Chavez is the only leader of a country who has the balls to stand up to the so called elite and say it in public like he does. Thats why they are still trying to get this democratic elected president out of there, he does not cooperate with the "elite" and does not share there ideologies.

THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED is a powerfull docu that every human on this planet should have seen. You will know why this CIA operation could be very real and how media controlled by the wrong people can be used to throw over goverments..
If you want to reply on this, just make sure you saw this amazing piece of history, otherwise you would just make a fool out of yourself and proof your ignorance. Please think for yourself, not blindly like a sheep.. .

reply to post by 137
All you have to do is listen to chavez speak and you will see that the man is a maniac and dangerous to U.S. interests. This alone is enough for me to support the CIA in anything they may have planned against this quack.

reply to post by Polite American


And what are the U.S. interests??

Originally posted by aaaaa
Chavez is a meglomaniac that thinks he is the next Simon Bolivar. He is that a "leader" that closes down opposition media and declares that anybody who does not agree with him in his country is a traitor. He runs goon squads that beat up people and is calling about everybody to the right of the Iranians "fascists".
He is the personification of evil in the western hemisphere, and misery and death will be his legacy.

LOL that description of Chavez sounds an awful lot like George W. Bush.

Originally posted by Polite American
reply to post by 137

 

All you have to do is listen to chavez speak and you will see that the man is a maniac and dangerous to U.S. interests. This alone is enough for me to support the CIA in anything they may have planned against this quack.

Have you ever listened to your own president or vice president? Or are you one of those "blind patriots" who just follows the leader without asking questions?

Just watch the docu i posted above its really an interesting piece of insight on this topic..

Originally posted by TheBandit795
reply to post by Polite American

 

And what are the U.S. interests??

Anything that will protect and benefit the U.S. and its citizens. Be it availability of an abundant oil suply to minimizing possible military attacks.
The spread of democracy and the downsizing of radical muslims...to share a few.

reply to post by 137
Any faults and/or errors that My president may or may not have done I can rest assured that he only had the best interest of this nation in mind. I can sleep soundly at night knowing that there is people employed by my government right now that have my nations best interest in mind. That is why we voted him/them into office.

Originally posted by John_Q_Llama
LOL that description of Chavez sounds an awful lot like George W. Bush.

Really? would you like to give me some examples of how President Bush has had "goon squads beat up people" or where he has called anyone that doesn't agree with him a "traitor" can you show us any incident where President Bush has closed down a media outlet that didn't agree with him?
Please provide some evidence for your statemens sir.

Originally posted by Polite American

Originally posted by TheBandit795
reply to post by Polite American

 

And what are the U.S. interests??

Anything that will protect and benefit the U.S. and its citizens. Be it availability of an abundant oil suply to minimizing possible military attacks.
The spread of democracy and the downsizing of radical muslims...to share a few.

While interfering with the internal matters in other countries may be beneficial to us, does that make it the right thing to do? Do the interests of the USA outweigh the interests of the countries where the USA meddles? And at what cost does the this need to "protect and benefit the U.S. and its citizens" come to fruition? The meddling in Iraq was supposedly to protect the world from Saddam's attacks with his collection of WMDs. Well it's pretty clear now that the Bush administration was deceptive in it's efforts to make turn the gears of war and meddle in the affairs of Iraq. Now there are a lot of dead Americans, a hell of a lot more dead Iraqis, who knows how much land contaminated by depleted uranium which will kill even more residents of the country, a great deal of hate building up toward the USA, oil prices have skyrocketed, and the success of the whole affair has been questionable at best.

So please do explain how invading Iraq preemptively has been good for the USA. Has the damage done to the Iraqi people and their lands, and the negative impact the invasion and occupation has had on the image of the USA been worth going in there for?

reply to post by Polite American


I haven't seen a president attempt to protect you the people in decades. And as for an abundant oil supply. You have more than enough oil in you own country for decades to come. And besides, Chavez (the crazy nut that he is) was offering the poor in your country cheap oil. Very cheap oil.

And there is no real democracy in the U.S. or in most countries as far as I know. As long as there are a few wealthy elite in command, sponsoring sponsoring and have full control of your politicians. You don't have a democracy. Let me repeat that for you. You do not have a democracy the way it should be.

Your president does not work for you, they work for Rockefeller, Rotschild et al. Who is Bush's secret advisor? Henry Kissinger, right hand man of Rockefeller.

Your former president either, his wife is now being endorsed by Rotschild. They are puppets.

In fact, any U.S. president that dared to stand up to these people was murdered. Lincoln, JFK. They were murdered because they wanted to stop fractional reserve banking.

It is up to you the people the fix this disease you call a democracy and set the country back the way to what the founding fathers intended it to be.

And stop using a criminal organization such as the CIA to further the agenda of your controlled government on that of other countries governments. The CIA have numerous times sponsored coups to overthrow democratically elected governments in other countries and installed big business interest friendly puppet dictators who have in turn oppressed millions and have murdered thousands off their own people.

Fascist America in 10 easy steps looks like the same kind of plan. View the video and you will see the stereotype. The creation of fear through an external threat is all the rage, pun intended, throughout historical analysis. Burning Dixie Chicks CDs, Nazis burning books, swiftboating candidates to make election fraud plausible, and hyped threats are all part of state sponsored internal terrorist tactics. Terrorism is not an actual invisible boogeyman, it is a tactic and strategy of war.

Although she may be speaking in some respects as a leftist gatekeeper, just as O'Reilley and others speak as neocon gatekeepers disguised as conservatives, Naomi does go into depth upon what is happening in the real world. Our neocons live in a fictitious world that they claim is what historians with be reading about, and that they create reality. In some respects that is true, when they implement chaos to restore "order." In fact they create chaos to sustain chaos and fear through mindless authority ruled by criminals.

The jury may be out on Chavez as a gatekeeper for socialism. As always, follow the money. Other useful research includes "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," and "Confessions of a British Spy."

[edit on 30-11-2007 by SkipShipman]

Originally posted by SimiusDei
Here is another story relevant to this thread.


Students Stage Anti-Chavez Rally


This actually fits the layout of the possible CIA plan. Could this be that plan in action? Or just a lot of Venezuelans SICK of Chavez?

Once again, it's a 50/50.

Here we see the meme again -- no one could possibly be against a socialist authoritarian who is oppressing his people and silencing the opposition, unless the CIA is behind it!

Originally posted by Polite American

Originally posted by John_Q_Llama
LOL that description of Chavez sounds an awful lot like George W. Bush.

Really? would you like to give me some examples of how President Bush has had "goon squads beat up people" or where he has called anyone that doesn't agree with him a "traitor" can you show us any incident where President Bush has closed down a media outlet that didn't agree with him?
Please provide some evidence for your statemens sir.

First of all you have taken my comparison of Bush to Chavez as a literal one. I said it sounded "an awful lot like" GWB. I'm at work at the moment, so gathering some evidence isn't easy because so many websites are blocked. I'll try to put something together when I get home though.

Originally posted by John_Q_LlamaSo please do explain how invading Iraq preemptively has been good for the USA. Has the damage done to the Iraqi people and their lands, and the negative impact the invasion and occupation has had on the image of the USA been worth going in there for?

Yes! it has been very worth it. That is a no brainer. U.S. soil hasn't been hit with a terrorist attack since 9/11 ! is that not a good enough reason for you?

Originally posted by Polite American

Originally posted by John_Q_LlamaSo please do explain how invading Iraq preemptively has been good for the USA. Has the damage done to the Iraqi people and their lands, and the negative impact the invasion and occupation has had on the image of the USA been worth going in there for?

Yes! it has been very worth it. That is a no brainer. U.S. soil hasn't been hit with a terrorist attack since 9/11 ! is that not a good enough reason for you?

This is where we begin to tread on different grounds. I question the legitimacy of the claim that 9/11 was indeed a terrorist attack. At the very least there are too many unanswered questions that the government could put to rest rather than playing the "national security" card. That secretive nature alone has some implications that leave me wondering what is being hidden.

Putting that aside, however, I would say that our occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the potential to invade Iran (which is already a democratic state) are what has put the USA in more danger of an attack. The benefits of the supposed national security netted by invading Iraq and Afghanistan is, in my opinion, are worthless in light of the shameful way the people and lands of Iraq have been treated. How can any person say that it is justified and acceptable to kill hundreds of thousands (if not more) Iraqi citizens while occupying their country to rat out insurgents, take their oil, and implement a democracy that is all but a failure? Not to mention the fact that all of this was done preemptively! Talk about a complete lack of respect for the sovereignty of other countries! It's sad that this was done in the name of democracy and safety and freedom, and the result for Iraqis has been anything but that.