Ramblings of Finnish school shooter

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
reply to post by Redge777

 

Woah!! Easy there Redge,
I wasn't saying "lets go all totalitarian Brave new world and spy on everyone."
(Although we are there already)
I was just saying that when video's as obviously unhinged as those by sturmgeist are posted,flags should be raised somewhere.
I mean these keyword searching systems do exist and are used,right?

I understand your point, and it can be used for good, if it is open and transparent so that people can see it is not just being said that is the purpose as it is used to premote a political agenda.

Tools like that can always be used for good or evil, I think if open they get used more for good.

However, every writer of horror films might be getting visits, its really easy with hindsight. Its hard to tell before hand. Then again I don't like horror films anyway

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse

So why kill innocents at the school?How will that start a revolution?
You are right-I don't get it.

Remember I do not agree with the actions. I dislike them a great deal, and grieve for the loss of all the lives, especially people that are needed for the revolution.

What this incident unfortunatly does accomplish however is, it get's the ones like me, talking to the ones like you. It give me a 2 second oppertunity to speak to you, to try to wake you up to the fact that we are in this system of control, that you probably don't understand. It gives me the chance to explain to someone like you, that a year ago I was the same, and I did not get it, I just did not understand it, and if someone like me (in the hear and now) had gone to someone like me then, I probably still would not have gotten it, or understood it.

It give the one's like me the chance to wake you up to the fact that the world is corrupt. Democracy really is not freedom, we are no better than slaves and just don't realise it. We are not salves in the sense that we wear chains, we are slaves of the mental sort. The things we are taught, our indoctranation into this system of control. We are not free and this world needs changing, but I can not do it by myself, I need the one's like you, who maybe want to start to understand.

I can show you the door, but you have to walk through it. (That sounded so cheesy when I first heard that line, and now it makes sense.)

You have to be willing to do research, understand new consepts, and open your mind to the very real possiblity that the things we have been taught, that we believe are just not what we were lead to believe. That's part of what this will accomplish. I hope.

Plus hes dead now-so thats a bit of a cop out...he doesn't have to live to take part in said "revolution" does he?

No he really doesn't. In fact maybe just like Jesus on the cross, he hopes his death, his symbolic marydom, will wake up, and inspire others. I just feel sad, because the world could have used a free thinking mind like his, but I understand how sad the truth of this world, must have made a young 18 year old.

The only thing that will happen from this tragic event is the gun laws in Finland,and possibly the rest of Europe will be tightened.

That and people like you calling him a nutter, and completly not understanding what he was trying to say.

So what has the killer achieved?

That remains to be seen. If someone reads what he wrote and is enlightened and writes a book, or starts a movement, or posts on a blog, or a forum, or tells others, then maybe something, but I have to still say I grieve for his life, and the life of the others.

I wish he could have sat around and had discussions with others, like I am trying to do with you, but the world is full of people who just don't get it. Not only that but the world is full of paracitic people, who feed off of destroying intellegent people like him, and I think he understood he would not have faired well, trying to get through to people of that nature.

I am glad you are asking the question however, there is discussion and debate happening, and I hope we can use this oppertunity to accomplish something good. By something good, I don't mean gun laws, or ways to get inside of the heads of people like him, so you can lock him up for life. I mean maybe start a school for people who question authority. Make people understand that there is something deeply wrong with the world, and get creative ideas on how we can fix it.

Again everyone has to choose their own path.

[edit on 9-11-2007 by Harassment101]

Originally posted by Radekus
I mean, obviously the elite are pushing for a 3rd world war, we need strong minded leaders now more than ever. This is what the elite want, they want the 3% to kill themselves off, makes it easier for the illuminati to stay in power.

I believe this completly, I actually believe alot of evils goals are to take those who do not compermise, or do not go along with evil, and get them sad or angry so they will join evil. We win by loving and forgiving our enemies, the real battle is a spiritual one of light and dark as far as I am concerned.

Harrassment-I totally understand the systems of control,corrupt governments,NWO ideas-and I too dislike the way the "free" world is going.
Many of my posts have been on topics such as the surveillance society,corporate crimes,and the masses being downtroden by the elites.
Many on ATS get cheesed off with me for going on about such things as CCTV,RFID,Eshcelon,Darpa net,NWO,False flags,etc etc.

The problem I have with this kid is that whatever he wrote in his manifesto is 100% cancelled out by his vile actions.

By his actions he is actually empowering those who he claimed to fight against.
The corrupt elites of the world actually look forward to events such as this mass murder,as it gives them the necessary fuel for expanding their control systems.

If this kid had done something peaceful to awaken the masses,I would have given him the big thumbs up.
The fact is he has played into the hands of those who want a totalitarian world system based upon the rules of elites and big business.
So thanks for trying to "open the door" for me to take a peek through-but in reality the door was blasted off its hinges a good while back for me.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
The problem I have with this kid is that whatever he wrote in his manifesto is 100% cancelled out by his vile actions.

Not true, everything he wrote is still fully relavent. However his actions are hard to equate with what he wrote, it's unfortunate.

By his actions he is actually empowering those who he claimed to fight against.
The corrupt elites of the world actually look forward to events such as this mass murder,as it gives them the necessary fuel for expanding their control systems.

They would be doing this anyways, wither it was faking 9/11 or some other method. They will move forward with their agenda.

If this kid had done something peaceful to awaken the masses,I would have given him the big thumbs up.

If this kid had done something peaceful, you would never have heard of it, and neither would I. Let's not kid ourselves. If he grew up to be an activist, he would likely be in jail, or getting gang stalking/Cointelpro initiatives used against him till he was dead, and we still would probably not have heard of him.

I agree with taking the peaceful path, but I know that it's a slow painful one, that accomplishes little, but it's the one for me.

The fact is he has played into the hands of those who want a totalitarian world system based upon the rules of elites and big business.
So thanks for trying to "open the door" for me to take a peek through-but in reality the door was blasted off its hinges a good while back for me.

I don't think he played into their hands, they already have the whole world in thier hands. (Or like to think that they do.)

The door thing, that may just be so.

Well,some peaceful actions do work to wake up many people.
Look at "we are change" as an example.
Or how about Ghandi?

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Well,some peaceful actions do work to wake up many people.
Look at "we are change" as an example.
Or how about Ghandi?

Yes and Ghandi, Jesus, Martin Luther King, Malcom X, and many others like them, were all assassinated for their efforts.

I think peaceful protest is great, but I also know that there is a time for every purpose. I think each generation has to choose their own path, be it french revolution, or throwing tea in the river and telling your oppresors where to stick it.

I think each must choose actions, appropriate to their times and circumstances.

Its really quite sad, I mean I know if that happened at my school, I'd be scared to go back there As for the killer I hope he survives and has the serve out the rest of his days as a vegetable.

Good points Harrassment.
Its just that in this world we now live in the powers that be have it set up so that any violent revolutionary ideas are swiftly put down by the states concerned,and are used to control and generate fear amongst the population.
So today I believe would not be a good time for a violent uprising.
I think to change peoples ideas we need to stick to the peaceful route.

I have actually thought about this for years-and used to think that violence is the only language those in power understand.Now I think more can be achieved through peaceful means,if enough people are on board(which is always the kicker).
Illustration:
10,,000 violent revolutionaries take over a financial district,for their backing of the latest illegal war.
Result? riot cops,CS gas,sonic/microwave weapons used,many die in the violence.Media goes full tilt against the "terrorists" who want to kill the economy.

Method 2: the same 10,000 people all get in their cars and park,blocking the roads to the district,peacefully.
Cops turn up and take days to remove all the peaceful citizens.
Media tries to spin it but fails.No violence.

Just my way of looking at it these days.I am not saying I would roll up in a ball if I was attacked,just that other non violent methods MAY have more of an effect on the system.



[edit on 9-11-2007 by Silcone Synapse]

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Well,some peaceful actions do work to wake up many people.

Peaceful actions like this flier from Westboro Baptist Church?
I don't know if I should laugh or cry...

What on earth have those nutballs got to do with this topic count?
They are hateful-not peaceful.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Ask them - they seem to be really good at pushing their agenda by using other peoples hurt.
Just felt that that, too, should be reported.

Ah,gotcha
wasn't sure what you meant-my mistake.

reply to post by Harassment101


I was awakened at 15, imagine what that does to you when adults keep telling u you're stupid and immature, then when you go to school all you see are immature children monkeying around in class and the hallways.
I think the elite are stupid or something, they should be recruiting these angry enlightened kids, not messing them up, waste of intelligence if you ask me. But, heck, I'm 20 now, and I wouldn't join them, I despise masons and the Illuminati, I know too much to allow my own talents to serve their purpose. I understand this kid's statements of survival of the fittest, men like us cannot find a suitable wife, so as to spread our genes. We are constantly put down by the system, and when we see happy people, especially couples, all we feel is jealousy and hatred. Stupid people pass on their genes while we, we're doomed to die off. I hate the system, for what it does to the young ones, they have not yet adapted to the system, and talk a lot, say things they shouldn't, before you know it, they are rounded up, have a court case about threatening people, and then fed drugs. Thats what it comes down to, if the fluoride in the water fail, and the rest of the drugs in the food got no effect, poison kids more with hard core drugs that have similar effects to '___', yea, that'll turn them into a vegetative state, how dare they have a mind of their own? The system we live in is disgusting, I hope people can see this more now.

Originally posted by Count

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Well,some peaceful actions do work to wake up many people.

Peaceful actions like this flier from Westboro Baptist Church?
I don't know if I should laugh or cry...

LMAO!!!!!!

That must be the funniest thing I have ever read!!!

Originally posted by Harassment101

the answer is no single person or even group can 'get the message out' to the entire world,

He could have written a book, but books like that are not read by the sheepish mass who know only consuerisum.

this dude was a nutjob...we are in the hey day of getting information out there.
he could have written a book but he didn't, cause he was crazy...

youtube was the perfect arena for his whatever...manifesto's, video's..

people that want to watch/listen to him will.
he could have narrated that manifesto set to pics or vids...

i have edited video's and uploaded them to youtube and some of them have hundreds of thousands of views.

how many of those people saved my stuff and changed it or uploaded it to another place and is getting hits there?
SOMEONE is seeing those vids.

i am just having a hard time following your logic..
he obviously was not that intelligent.
he be dead...thats not smart

Originally posted by Harassment101

What this incident unfortunatly does accomplish however is, it get's the ones like me, talking to the ones like you. It give me a 2 second oppertunity to speak to you, to try to wake you up to the fact that we are in this system of control, that you probably don't understand.

save it..
you don't need a rampage to get you and i talking about it for two seconds..
there are political forums..there is an infinate amount of places he could have went to write his 'intelligent' thoughts to get people talking for even 2 seconds...

myspace and youtube...facebook and putfile.

this did not NEED to be done to accomplish whatever he wanted to accomplish. if he wanted spread word to the sheeple, he sure has an arena for it.

how is it that a kid with cancer can write a blog that reaches millions and a 14 year old girl can start a web based business and turn it into a million dollar company but this dude couldn't pay $10 a month for
tardomanifesto.org and set up a page and forum and all that jazz. he could have sold buttons and hats spreading his word.

you need money to make money,
I'd like a tutorial from you on how to make
websites and have shirts made for me that I can sell
online, would be helpful. You know how to do that?"
All this starting with 0$ of course.

[edit on 9-11-2007 by Radekus]

Originally posted by Radekus
you need money to make money,
I'd like a tutorial from you on how to make
websites and have shirts made for me that I can sell
online, would be helpful. You know how to do that?"
All this starting with 0$ of course.

[edit on 9-11-2007 by Radekus]

well he didn't start with $0
he had a gun and web so he had some money....

you buy a host for $10 a month...you upload your page...might have to read a book to do it yourself or get on the net and hit up some rooms and find people with similar ideas and help you set up a page....

but for zero$0
start with a myspace page...
you can start with super intelligent blogs and you can search for other people on myspace with the same beliefs. you can have a donation thing on your myspace page.

i have a forum now and my old one we did shirts...
i took donations and i made more money than i paid a year in hosting the site...
it's really not hard at all. i am not saying you're gonna be some super sire like this that has a million hits a day but you can do it and reach people without killing others.

at my old forum i had about 300 solid visitors and a lot of guests. i took paypal donations...now, that is 300 of us talking about what the subject was...we passed and traded information, just like here.
then i am sure most of those 300 have other forums they visit(i know i do) and i talk to people on other forums too..
so it gets out there.
cafepress you an get shirts and mugs for nothing..

basically, if this guy was SERIOUSLY trying to get his word or message out, he would have SERIOUSLY tried and he didn't.

there are literally thousands of 'alternative' sites on the net that thrive on topics that you could not even imagine...i won't give any names here but i am pretty sure this dude could have hooked up with an already existing outfit and spread his word..

like i said, i edit vids on my laptop here and host them on youtube for free and some of them have hundreds of thousands of hits....


thehostplanet.com/

can get host space there for $6 a month
hit up go daddy for a domain whish is like $15 a year
now you're at $21 for your first month

set up a page(google)..you can get basic templates for free. link up a forum(freephpp possibly) where people can discuss. set up a link for donations.
carepress for merchandise for if/when it gets big enough

it can all be done in a day so now what?

gonna say i am lying..?

i have a forum going now...i talk with lots of people about lots of stuff.
we send things to each other..i sent coffee to a my budy in montana and he sent me some from there.
things like that..

figure it out dude...

my mom is a part of a certain mucicians group and some creative type lady there makes ladies bags with this dudes face and phrases on there and GIVES em away to her friends on the group....

so yeah, there you go...no murder....

just a little time at the pc..



in about 1 minute you can find a forum with a ton of people with ALT views like that....


edit*
i get shirts made at the mall ALL the time with zappa on them. i being in a pic on my thumb drive and they silk screen it on..it is cheap and cheaper if you get a lot. they do mouse pads and mugs, house mats and hats, etc...
if you REALLY wanted to, you could have a page and once it got enough traffic, you could probably spin a profit by taking donations for the site(to make it free for you) and then you get merchandise like that and sell it to them for cost+shipping+a few bucks...

you gonna get rich? probably not...but thats not the point is it.....

[edit on 9-11-2007 by Boondock78]

[edit on 9-11-2007 by Boondock78]

Boondock is talking sense.
Well said that man.

Good attitude