Ramblings of Finnish school shooter

Oh and from the killers manifesto,the last line:

"HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks! "

(caps from manifesto mods)

Sounds like something the neo cons or nazis would say-the guy says hes against gangster governments,then says this?

And then to top it off he kills a group of people who have approximately jack squat to do with the NWO and big corrupt business/governments.

Really great way to go,that'll teach those NWO bastards,eh?

In fact he has stooped to the level of the very "elites" he claims to hate so much...They are quite good at murdering innocents as well.

What a waste of oxygen this kid was.
How can anyone support the guy?It just baffles me.

reply to post by MrDead


I don't know, maybe this sounds harsh, but I'd rather the killer be dead. Even though they will never understand the reason for it, at least the families of those murdered can rest, heal, and possibly move forward with their lives knowing that the killer is not still alive somewhere. Even if the killer were still alive in a vegetative state it would, I think, be a sort of quiet torture for the families of the slain. Kind of like the endless dripping of a faucet. Momentary silences punctuated by the memory that their loved ones are dead and the killer is still alive or being kept alive somewhere. Seems better that the poor bastard would be out of his misery so that the others would have a better chance of being relieved of theirs. Just my opinion, of course.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse

Please explain-I do not understand your strange comment.

The only person I insulted is a dead mass murderer.
And I stand by what I said about him being a twisted loser,maybe you think hes just great-but I don't.
So VERY sorry that I make you sick.

great stuff there, really, made me laugh hard.

Hey,we have something in common then Radekus,we both laugh at each other.

My main point about the whole thing is really this:

Whatever the guy said in his "manifesto" does not excuse the permanent grief he has caused by his actions.
Also,he totally contradicted what he says in his manifesto by his actions in my opinion.
You go ahead and stick up for him if you like.
Whatever floats your boat.

i've been looking for lyrics for my new song, i think this guy just wrote

and the best part is, no royalties to pay

reply to post by smart420


Your post got me to thinking. Simply put, if advertisements have an affect on what people buy and do not buy, if books have an affect on the way people think, if rules, regulations, and laws have an affect on people's behavior, why wouldn't music, music videos, and video games have an affect? Generally speaking, teenagers who listen to rock music dress like their favorite rock artists, same goes for hip hop, same goes for classical music. Children play out their fantasies of being cool and important all the time. Some take it too far. Just as adults are known to do. Girls dress like their favorite TV and music video stars. Boys do the same. Yes, and even grown up adults do the same. Only adults try to align their looks with proven survivors like business people, politicians, doctors and lawyers, even if one is not necessarily any of those things. But it's all fed by the same usual cultural sources; environment, society, and entertainment. Of course, parenting and mentoring goes a long way, so a significant amout of a child's behavior can be attributed to that. But if a child latches on the lyrics that a rock star sings, and then latches on to the rock star as being one who knows better than the "stupid parents and teachers", then that is no different than an adult who gets high on Dr. Phil and Oprah. Music itself does not do anything in particular, it's how the whole music experience is packaged. With images, art, manifestos in the form of liner notes, music videos, advertisements, peer pressure, and so forth, it all adds up to that those likely to be persuaded by it will be persuaded by it. Especially those kids who are looking for an experience better than the one they get at home and in school.

Of course music and music videos and video games have an affect on the behavior of people. The results are just not the same across the board. Scientifically there would be said that their is no noticeable correlation between playing violent video games and acts of violence carried out by people. More to the truth is that some folks are vulnerable to the suggestions offered in violent video games. But you know, going postal in a video game might seem like a good idea to someone that's dissatisfied at school or work. And where there wasn't a fantasy before, a fantasy now exists for going postal where one goes to school and works. And so maybe the suggestion can be strong enough to take seriously and carried out. Now, for sure a video game designer would say that while a game suggests that you go to work an blow everybody away in the game, it does not suggest that one do that in real life. Well, again, it depends on who is playing the game and interpreting the messages and information. Not scientifically conclusive, sure, but people know that firefighters and policemen generally think about becoming such when they are very young after being exposed to TV melodramas CHiPs and Hawaii Five-O, New York Undercover, Miami Vice, whatever. Future ballerinas want to dance when they've seen ballets. Children become doctors, lawyers and scientists like their parents. And half the young nation dresses and behaves like Beverly Hills 90210 because they all tuned in during prime time. And then there's the few that are attracted to the darkness, the dark characters, for whatever reason.

Blame mental illness, blame environmental factors, blame music and video games or whatever, but the fact is that the cultural environment makes it possible for desirable and undesirable identities to form, develop, and mature. There's no need to pick out any one factor when many factors have obviously played a role in our development and behavior.



[edit on 8-11-2007 by Areal51]

Both Schizophrenia and dangerous Sociopath Tendencies tend to reveal themselves in male children between 12 and into the mid-twenties. Mind control has nothing to do with this. Some study of basic Psychology would give insight.

I survived an incident where I was held hostage for an hour by a similar individual. He stood outside my office door trying to get at me until so many people showed up he left. The police did not respond because they did not take me serious enough. 15 minutes after he left he ran into a group of homeless people in an alley and killed three of them with a knife. (Note: The lack of a gun did not hinder him)

I was being trained for Counseling people trying to quit Drugs and Alcohol at the time and was able to have a couple of extended conversations with my Superior who was a lauded Clinical Psychologist who ran the facility. He gave me quite an education about these personality types and after reading this Monsters ramblings I see a remarkable similarity to the words this man spoke while holding me hostage.

The person who tried to kill me was a patient where I worked and had attempted to kill another Employee. He had just been released from prison that day for that offense. His reasons for coming after anyone he deemed to be in authority in that facility were eerily similar to this Kids writings and reading it gave me goosebumps. I even had a picture on my wall of him given to me by the Staff in case he were to return someday. He had an upside down Cross on his forehead and Aryan Nation Tattoos on his arms.

One of the danger signs is a delusion of superiority and the feeling they posses knowledge and most importantly wisdom that others do not. They consider others beneath them and unworthy of their concern. To these people the average person on the street is a non-person and killing them is as meaningless as killing a mosquito on their arm. In this Monsters writings you can see a classic example. I think it would be appropriate to call it a God Complex. This very website would be like a magnet to these individuals. Thank God most never act on these impulses in such a graphic manner, but the potential is always there. There is no cure. Only being Institutionalized for life can protect society from these vile beings. Unfortunately they are often left in Society due to preemptive action being forbidden by our laws. An often fatal error in how Society views Mental Illness.

If you could get into the minds of the Parents you would probably find they knew their Son was a ticking time bomb for years. They will probably say otherwise as the Parental Instinct is so powerful. The warning signs were probably ignored for a long time.

The Internet, TV and Video Games are not the cause in my opinion. They are however a magnet for these people. Like I said this very board would probably be nearly irresistible to them. A future Mass Murderer may well be posting on this and other threads at ATS. Anyone on this thread agreeing with this Monsters Writings has the potential. Unless of course they are just Trolling for an argument.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Both Schizophrenia and dangerous Sociopath Tendencies tend to reveal themselves in male children between 12 and into the mid-twenties. Mind control has nothing to do with this. Some study of basic Psychology would give insight.

It is very important to make the distinction between sociopathic behavior and psychopathic behavior.

Definitions: Sociopath: A person with personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and a lack of conscience.

Psychopath: A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

Profile of Sociopath
Profile of Psychopath part 1
Profile of Psychopath part 2

There's plenty of overlap but the main distinction between the two is a proneness towards violent behavior. The attribute of violent behavior is distinction of the profile of a psychopath, whereas this attribute is not present in the profile of a sociopath.

Your story, Blaine91555, seems to relate more to an encounter with a psychopath rather than that of a sociopath. The Finnish School Shooter clearly fits the profile of a psychopath.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Hey,we have something in common then Radekus,we both laugh at each other.

My main point about the whole thing is really this:

Whatever the guy said in his "manifesto" does not excuse the permanent grief he has caused by his actions.
Also,he totally contradicted what he says in his manifesto by his actions in my opinion.
You go ahead and stick up for him if you like.
Whatever floats your boat.

I think people miss out when I post my opinions in the beginning.
I agree with his views but not his actions. These people are gifted and
should be recruited, they are philosophers and artists, it would be
nice if one day I could fund some sort of institution for them, where
they can improve on their talents, away from harm. Oh, the things
I would do if I had money... Every time a kid gets rounded up for
threatening to shoot up a school, they would end up there. It's no prison
by any means, I consider it a place of sanctity, away from human judgment,
a place of debate. Maybe I'm insane for imagining this. What do you think?

Originally posted by melatonin

But I'm not surprised that some ideologues are using this to justify denigrating non-belief.


[edit on 7-11-2007 by melatonin]

I'm an ideologue, eh? I wonder how many Christians on this board would agree with you in your assessment of me. Dare I say, not many? I suggest you refer to this thread that I posted not too long ago:

The Islamic and Christian Attempt to rule the World

Yeah, but I'm an "idealogue."

[edit on 8-11-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by Areal51
The Finnish School Shooter clearly fits the profile of a psychopath.

The only problem with such a diagnosis is that no one used that word to describe the perp BEFORE his rampage. If he was a sociopath or a schizophrenic, everybody seemed to have missed it.

[edit on 8-11-2007 by starviego]

I'll say this:

What a crazy mofo.

reply to post by starviego


Well, in pictures that accompany the BBC article he appears bearing a firearm and wearing a T-shirt that says "Humans are Overrated. Those are clues, though not in themselves conclusive. I didn't read the manifesto, but he is quoted as having written, "eliminate all who I see unfit" and "death and killing is not a tragedy... Not all human lives are important or worth saving." From those statements alone there seems to be enough to make the case that was a psychopath. Definitely now that damage has been done. But I understand your point. It's possible that he was great at hiding who really was. A couple of the links I posted talk about that.

If you do some further research on your own you will find out that some CEOs and politicians can share the same traits as sociopaths. Chilling.

Any bets that someone somewhere tries to blame this on Halo 3, Doom and Rap music?

Where's Jack Thomson when you need him?

Originally posted by Radekus
How else could
he have gotten this message through so the entire world
could hear? Ramble on a megaphone inside a mall?

the answer is no single person or even group can 'get the message out' to the entire world, because even with internet video, only a very small minority will be reached directly.

the rest will simply listen to media outlets, which means that for everyone watching the real thing, at least a dozen people embrace the sanizized, official version, ie. a net loss AND he gave the establishment more ammo against everyone. something to consider beforehand.

ever wondered why some people are so vain, they believe they have to change the world singlehandedly within 3 minutes. how's that sane? wait - it isn't... waging war is a skill, anger, frustration determination all play a role, they are not the whole story, however.

Originally posted by Radekus
I applaud you, finally someone says it,
I really didn't expect someone to figure this out.
But it goes deeper, he wants revolution,
he wants to get rid of the ones in power (illuminati if
the word suits you), those in power make sure
to push for the extermination of the intelligencja
that can oppose them (the 3% that he mentions).
To do this, they push for the brainwashing of the
majority that compose society, using school and media.
People become narcissistic, egoistic, spoiled brats
that never grow up, and are conditioned to conform.
This conditioning is so powerful that they reject
complex and opposing views. The group he mentions,
the 3%, they are like a brotherhood of people who never met,
but who understand each other greatly. The group are subject
to the majority's violent opposition,
it is as if the majority were brainwashed to destroy the 3%.
What he calls for is for all the brotherhood to rise up,
to overthrow the elite, replace it, make a world worth living in.
I wonder what consequences this message will leave.

Wow it's kind of like talking to yourself. Except for a few in this post, they just don't get it. The US school shooter who did the mass shooting also said let the revolution begin. Coincidence?

This person who did the latest school shooting made it very clear in his well written, very intellegent posting, that this was not meant to be a school shooting, but a politically motivated attempt to start the revolution, and they still don't get it. Waking up the 96% is just not going to happen, they either don't get it, don't want to, or just are happy with the system.

This matrix like system of control that is killing off the 3% that he was trying to reach. (He really should have found a better way to do this.) I understand his motivation, but I also deeply disagree with his actions. Ofcourse his actions got the attention of the 3% and the 96%, but it's not the way to go about a revolution.

People need to understand that there is something to rebel agaist. Most people do not realise that they are nothing better than slaves in this society. I didn't understand that either, now I guess I do.

I don't think he was crazy, but I do think his actions were wrong. Based on the writings he left behind, he clearly states.

Long live the revolution... revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act.

We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can’t alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.

Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy... you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority... and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and don’t criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently.

To me it's pretty clear why he did it, and his motivations, and yet people will still be on about gun laws, music videos, movies, bullying, etc. He made it very clear why he did this.

I just don't agree with his actions, but his reasons if you read his writings he left behind, that the earlier poster had linked to, it's very enlightinging.

[edit on 9-11-2007 by Harassment101]

Originally posted by Long Lance

the answer is no single person or even group can 'get the message out' to the entire world, because even with internet video, only a very small minority will be reached directly.

the rest will simply listen to media outlets, which means that for everyone watching the real thing, at least a dozen people embrace the sanizized, official version, ie. a net loss AND he gave the establishment more ammo against everyone. something to consider beforehand.

ever wondered why some people are so vain, they believe they have to change the world singlehandedly within 3 minutes. how's that sane? wait - it isn't... waging war is a skill, anger, frustration determination all play a role, they are not the whole story, however.

Mabye his youth played a role in this. I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been awakened to this horrible reality at 18. I feel sorry for him. I do not agree with his actions, but I understand what he realised about the world and our current system. I don't think the world will ever fully be awakened. I don't think all the potentials or the brethren will ever be awakened at the same time. You get a few enlighted awakened at the same time, all within their own little spheres and then that's it. Also the world will mob them till they commit suicide or kill others, bully then with the same results, etc.

Few will take the time to try to wake up others, but it's such a slow process. Posting on forums like this, youtube, etc. Most just will never understand. The world really is full of sheeple, and we are trained to think we are so smart, and we are just brainwashed, enslaved, sheeple. Trained to laugh and mock people like him, who see the world for what it is. People like him are needed in the world, he was bright and intellegent. It is so sad that he choose these actions.

He could have written a book, but books like that are not read by the sheepish mass who know only consuerisum. That's why word does not get out. There has to be a way, and being intellegent he probably realised there really is not likely to be, the world has been like this and is likely to remain.

If you read what he wrote, he was not insane, but his choices and actions are not the ones that I would have choosen, and I do find them regretable. However maybe the wisdom of time helps.

Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it's rules, morality and codes of conduct. This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian,
monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don't realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a “god complex”, sure... then you have a “group complex”! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike.

[edit on 9-11-2007 by Harassment101]

op by harrassment"that this was not meant to be a school shooting, but a politically motivated attempt to start the revolution, and they still don't get it."

So why kill innocents at the school?How will that start a revolution?
You are right-I don't get it.

Plus hes dead now-so thats a bit of a cop out...he doesn't have to live to take part in said "revolution" does he?

The only thing that will happen from this tragic event is the gun laws in Finland,and possibly the rest of Europe will be tightened.

So what has the killer achieved?

Harrassment-you say hes not Insane...and then go on to quote him saying he thinks he has a "god complex!!"

HEHEHehehehaah-Love the sarcasm buddy.