Ramblings of Finnish school shooter

Acute schizophrenia, huh? Many school shooters have a record of being mentally 'treated' at some point before their rampage, though they are almost never diagnosed as schizophrenic beforehand. And most of the surviving school shooters do their time in the big house, not the nut house. Tellingly, their shrinks are never even interviewed.


Charles Whitman, 25, the U of T tower sniper(8-1-66) was married at the time, and was not a student there, so I place him in the 'adult rampager' catagory. As far as I can figure, the first juvenile random-rager who shot up his school was Michael Slobodian, 16, at Centennial Secondary School in Brampton, Ontario(3 dead, 13 wounded) back on 5-28-75. The next would be the aforementioned Wayne Lo at Simon's Rock College back in '92, and then it really took off after the mid-'90s.

Yeah i specified acute instead of chronic:

Acute schizophrenia is when a previously healthy person, generally a young adult, shows increasingly odd behaviour over a fairly short period of time of perhaps a few weeks.


'Positive' symptoms

The most common symptoms of acute schizophrenia are:
lack of insight
auditory hallucinations (hearing sounds, voices or music)
delusions of persecution
suspiciousness
flat mood
thoughts spoken aloud.
These symptoms are called the positive symptoms of schizophrenia.
Not all patients with acute schizophrenia experience all of these symptoms.


It can take the form of hallucinations, irrational beliefs or disordered thoughts, ie illogical or incoherent thinking of any degree of severity.

Of course the first thing your lawyer will tell you after you murder someone, is to claim you blacked out or that voices told you to do it. In the UK at least we call it diminished responsiblity, and it can get you a shorter jail term. In America it can keep you out of the electric chair.

[edit on 7-11-2007 by unnamedninja]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
This is what the atheistic, materialistic, egotisitical modern day philosopheies have brought to us.

I suppose you forget about other such maniacs like the virginia tech shooter, who had a christian indoctrination, or the Amish killer who was a Xian homeschooled dude and was described as part of 'a fine christian family'.

These people are just crazy dudes. They are mentalists who will use whatever is around them to justify their crazed desires.

But I'm not surprised that some ideologues are using this to justify denigrating non-belief.


[edit on 7-11-2007 by melatonin]

www.belowtopsecret.com...

It is my belief that another member and I received premonitions that made at least I consider this date to be one which something distinctly bad was going to happen involving death and killing of people. The premonition was one that it would happen in a public workplace or school, as I said I'd call in sick and stay home on 11-7-07, nearly 8 months before the day passed.

Go read the original thread and my follow up thread for yourself and see how closely it matches..

The original is not hard to find, it's titled "11-7-07", but its from March 07.

[edit on 11/7/2007 by runetang]

Originally posted by starviego
You are assuming that Auvisen actually posted all that stuff himself. Leaving a false trail electronically would probably be no big deal for the covert operators.

You make a really good point, and it should have appeared in my original post. But here's why I stand by it.

The alternative assumption--that the postings, etc. were planted by some agency of the alleged controllers--has one problem.

If the controllers were using electronic information plants in coordination with mind control techniques in the manner and for the reasons you suggest, why would the video be unavailable on YouTube? Or elsewhere? Why can't we get it right now?

If this content was planted as part of an operation to manipulate public opinion in favor of increasing Finnish gun control, the alleged controllers would ensure its broad dissemination, and they would do so easily with the powers you grant them. Their cause --instilling fear, animosity towards gun rights, etc.--would be better served by blocking the removal of the video.

Again, I don't want to denigrate the data you've made available--it's certainly got me thinking, which is why I come here in the first place. I just think that the case at hand is distinguishable.


Another problem I have is that Finland's population is a little over 5.25M. The nation's GDP is $175.2B, which is roughly 1/35 of the United States, and ranks the nation at 16 (out of 46) in Europe.

I'm not knocking Finland, and I mean no disrespect to you, but if a global NWO-type organization was trying to use mind control to take over humanity, a Finnish high school seems slightly off the mark. Even if guns were legally and effectively eliminated as a result of these murders, what do people or groups--who are powerful and advanced enough to use mind control--stand to gain from a disarmed Finland?

Preventative medicine, and not in the form of knee jerk gun legislation, is the right answer here. School officials and teachers need to have basic training in recognizing this sort of psychopathology. The only way to prevent this sort of thing is to create a mechanism by which these individuals can be spotted much earlier in their alienation from society, so they can be rehabilitated and reintegrated with therapy, or at the very least, kept from doing themselves and others harm.

To make the list of school shootings complete you'll have to start with the tower-shooter at University of Texas, August 1966

From the Wiki list of school shootings

Only 6 shootings are recorded through the 70s and 80s.


The craze of present day reoccuring shootings seems to have started with Stockton Massacre, California January 1989. Since then to present more than 30 shootings have occured in the US alone, and about 17 in other countries including the latest in Finland.

The worst one to me, though not filed as a school shooting, was perpetrated by a mental disabled young man, who had been through all the humiliations in school because of his condition. If that alone can explain what happened on Tasmania, Australia, and is known as The Port Arthur Massacre on the 28th of April 1996, killing 35 people, I'm not sure.

To this day CTs around this massacre prevail due to the swiftness and effectiveness of the killing.

School shootings started with the 90s and are obviously here to stay. As to why, I think it has something to do with media, the net, combined with a (sick) wish of immortallity. That's why I don't put any names of the sickos here.

From the manifesto:

Totalitarian governments rule people through education system

also

Some time ago, I used to believe in humanity and I wanted to live a long and happy life... but then I woke up. I started to think deeper and realized things. But it was not easy to become existential... knowing as much as I know has made me unhappy, frustrated and angry. I just can’t be happy in the society or the reality I live. I have come to the point where I feel nothing but hate against humanity and human race.

wikipedia existentialism:
Existentialism was described by Walter Kaufman as, "The refusal to belong to any school of thought, the repudiation of the adequacy of any body of beliefs whatever, and especially of systems, and a marked dissatisfaction with traditional philosophy as superficial, academic, and remote from life".

wiki terrorism
is violence or other harmful acts committed against civilians for political or other ideological goals. As a form of unconventional warfare, terrorism is sometimes used when attempting to force political change by convincing a government or population to agree to demands to avoid future harm

If we could stray from the "mind control" theory for a moment.

Perhaps he is truly a self motived existentialist taking a shot at the "public indoctrination system".

Existentially aware of his own inevitable death he chooses to end life in a suicide attack against the unjust indoctrination machine of the "retarded" "masses"...

I can’t alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems.

Hoping that others will follow him. Hoping that the "retarded masses" would become so fearful of sending their children off to school that the concept of public indoctrination into the "system" would one day collapse.

What I see:

As a lone existential terrorist, he would rather die in a world were people were afraid of sending their children off to an unjust indoctrination, than live long and die amongst the zombified masses and their "system".

I am,

Sri Oracle


[edit on 7-11-2007 by Sri Oracle]

I applaud you, finally someone says it,
I really didn't expect someone to figure this out.
But it goes deeper, he wants revolution,
he wants to get rid of the ones in power (illuminati if
the word suits you), those in power make sure
to push for the extermination of the intelligencja
that can oppose them (the 3% that he mentions).
To do this, they push for the brainwashing of the
majority that compose society, using school and media.
People become narcissistic, egoistic, spoiled brats
that never grow up, and are conditioned to conform.
This conditioning is so powerful that they reject
complex and opposing views. The group he mentions,
the 3%, they are like a brotherhood of people who never met,
but who understand each other greatly. The group are subject
to the majority's violent opposition,
it is as if the majority were brainwashed to destroy the 3%.
What he calls for is for all the brotherhood to rise up,
to overthrow the elite, replace it, make a world worth living in.
I wonder what consequences this message will leave.

Originally posted by Count
For those who are interested, I mirrored the stuff from the shooter to my own server, and you can access it from here. There is his 'manifesto' both in English and Finnish and other writings + some pictures.

Seems that the youtube video has been removed.

ITV in UK has a news article as does CNN.com

[edit on 7/11/07 by Count]

Thanks for that link...

Though I agree with his words, I cant in any way shape or form agree with his actions.


Life as corrupt as it may be, is still worth living, for your family and for your future families. With that said, this "free" thinking individual just devastated dozens upon dozens of families.

Is this the free thinking, love and caring world he wished for? By his actions toward innocent school children it is far from justice what some of these families are going to have to go through.

He referred to himself as a political terrorist, then why not attack political figures instead of school children. Simply put, that just terrorism.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
This is what the atheistic, materialistic, egotisitical modern day philosopheies have brought to us.

People like this should cram all of their idealogy, "facts," theories, and Social Darwinistic attitudes directly, as far as they get can get them, up their asses!! Really, this guy was beyond sick...

I think this is an unfair assumption.

Why is athiesm being included amongst materialism and egotistical modern philosophy like they are one in the same?

There are plenty of athiests on the planet. Plenty of level headed, calm athiests that wouldn't hurt as much as a fly if it landed near them.

Originally posted by Radekus
I applaud you, finally someone says it,
I really didn't expect someone to figure this out.
But it goes deeper, he wants revolution,
he wants to get rid of the ones in power (illuminati if
the word suits you), those in power make sure
to push for the extermination of the intelligencja
that can oppose them (the 3% that he mentions).
To do this, they push for the brainwashing of the
majority that compose society, using school and media.
People become narcissistic, egoistic, spoiled brats
that never grow up, and are conditioned to conform.
This conditioning is so powerful that they reject
complex and opposing views. The group he mentions,
the 3%, they are like a brotherhood of people who never met,
but who understand each other greatly. The group are subject
to the majority's violent opposition,
it is as if the majority were brainwashed to destroy the 3%.
What he calls for is for all the brotherhood to rise up,
to overthrow the elite, replace it, make a world worth living in.
I wonder what consequences this message will leave.

Like i said earlier, the public being scared of crazies is definitely not a good thing, it allows legislation which will erode our rights and put more power into the hands of the "gangsters/elite/politicians/illuminati" whatever label you choose for them.

The times of inciting revolutions through violence is long gone, only through waking people up to reality - the spread of information to the masses, informing them about the people who are controlling them, that is the only way to create revolution. People are essentially individual and therefore will not rise up and take the power back, it would take a hive mind mentality which we just dont have.

This guy is far too young to be taken seriously as a politicial activist, his ideas are unformed, he learned far too much too early, when his mind was too fragile to absorb this information without it destroying him. An older mind can say, well sure the world is a screwed up place, but i'm not going to let it control _my_ life. My mother has that exact attitude, the world is screwed up and she knows it, but she doesn't get maudlin about it. Myself i'm trying to find the same happy attiude, precisely because i as an individual cant change the world, so i have to be happy just so i dont waste my time here on earth, and do the best i can to affect the lives of people i meet in a positive way.

[edit on 7-11-2007 by unnamedninja]

Originally posted by Radekus
What he calls for is for all the brotherhood to rise up,
to overthrow the elite, replace it, make a world worth living in.
I wonder what consequences this message will leave.

What is rising up?

Are we to strap bombs to ourselves and suicide attack schools and "establishment" awaiting our next incarnation to do so again until we awaken in a world in which the "establishment" no longer exists because everyone is to afraid to attend class or court?

What happended to the pen being mightier? Is it that the pen is mightier than the sword but martyrdom mightier than the pen?

Or is his attack on the system to inspire the "brotherhood's" pen?

Asymetrical warfare because he realizes his weak position...

Radekus, what "action" does he want of the "brotherhood"?

What is rising up?

What is revolution?

How many have to die? Does anyone else have to die?

Can it just be a social revolution?

I see it. I see his motivation. I see his plan.

I just do not see popping a bunch of kids in the face with 22 rounds; and then suicide as a short cut to the ends he sought... or if you believe in transmigration of the soul... is seeking.

Elucidate.

Sri Oracle


[edit on 7-11-2007 by Sri Oracle]

Don't know if this has been brought up in the thread or not, but I'll remember to stack this Finn up against Mao, Lenin, and Stalin the next time an atheist claims his or her philosophy has the moral high ground against theism. I'm not denouncing anyone's right to be an atheist, I'm just saying that atheism has just as bloody of a record as Christianity or whatever if you want to start using guilt-by-association examples such as Mao, Lenin, Stalin, the Finn or on the other hand the Crusades or the Inquisition.

reply to post by Sri Oracle


The wrongly judged -in his own mind so percieved- 'looser', who channels his thinking into existential lines, does so to justify his position of real or imagined failures. The feeling of being locked out of a community is the triggering factor.

School shootings are the utmost reaction to being branded, because of physical or mental anomalities. It's not as much a revenge as it is a desperate attempt to get attention and justification. Deep down a lack of being loved.

It's not existentialism that is at play here. Many, maybe most of us here on ATS, joined because some degree of existential feeling we weren't able to argue about and find outlet for otherplaces.

I think even a few here could resort to some kinds of desperat acts, if for instance marshal law was declared and the precidency cancelled in USA.

Saying, not existentialism but fascism drives the individual to such acts as taking lives of other people for the promotion of their imagined importance. That's sick, and Fascism is the name of that sickness.

Existentialism is a way of thinking, a deluded way in our authoritan PC times, liable to be deemed sick, but all it is, it's not in tune with those times, like communism not is. Some day they might be again.

If only we could see our own non-importance in the big game of this Universe, if only we could be humble to Creation, thinks like this wouldn't happen.
In a world were killing for money goes on on an industrial scale, governments approved, it undaunted will.

And there is only Fascism to justify it.

Originally posted by mentalempire
Don't know if this has been brought up in the thread or not, but I'll remember to stack this Finn up against Mao, Lenin, and Stalin...

Don't do it, he don't deserve it.

Originally posted by OutShine
If the controllers were using electronic information plants in coordination with mind control techniques in the manner and for the reasons you suggest, why would the video be unavailable on YouTube? Or elsewhere? Why can't we get it right now?

Much of his web postings are available on mirror sites, etc. Anyway the content of his incomprehensible political philosophy is not important. Only that the public realizes that the shooter was able to use the net to spread his hateful 'militant radical' message of school mass destruction, and that NO ONE stopped him. Gee, maybe we should have laws that allow the gub'mint to 'monitor' the net, and not allow "extremist views" to be diseminated. Kind of a "Ministry of Dangerous Thoughts" or something like that.

Originally posted by OutShine
Even if guns were legally and effectively eliminated as a result of these murders, what do people or groups--who are powerful and advanced enough to use mind control--stand to gain from a disarmed Finland?

The same thing a street thug gains from a victim who has no weapon to defend himself with.

Originally posted by OutShine ...create a mechanism by which these individuals can be spotted much earlier in their alienation from society

Perhaps we should make young people submit to mandatory mental health screening, to weed out all those with 'extremist' viewpoints. Make them take a happy pill. They are already pushing such a system(called "Teen Screen") here in the USA.

[edit on 7-11-2007 by starviego]

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


Really? If what you say is true this should be rampant across Europe, especially countries such as:

Czech
Hungary
Slovakia
Germany
Austria
France
Switzerland
Sweden
Britain

Where ATHEISM or the lack of "god" believers outnumber those that subscribe to a deity? I find it interesting that there are MORE school shootings in the U.S where Atheists are HEAVILY outnumbered by Christians.

Get your demographics straight. You shouldn't play the blame game.

my heart light burns vindictive cinders
my head mind finds a place adjacent
all fractals act as an actual example
raise my hands jah infusion
color the latent faded ageless
when the time comes i will be ready
steady measure the leisure gesture
invest your time in spirit
can you hear it
he speaks in a secret frequency
open your heart to love light
dove flight
some sight is meant to be hidden

Originally posted by starviego
Gee, maybe we should have laws that allow the gub'mint to 'monitor' the net, and not allow "extremist views" to be diseminated.

I was just looking into the aforementioned Myyrmanni shopping center bombing, Vantaa(metro Helsinki), Finland, back on 10-11-02, perpetrated by Petri Gerdt, 19, (7 dead, 60 wounded)

This statement jumped out at me:

"The Social Democrats seized the opportunity to intensify efforts to censor Internet news groups, bulletin boards and websites. A bill already going through parliament is seeking to extend restrictions on freedom of speech on the Internet. Itala told parliament that in future orders could be issued to remove messages, news postings and web pages. Every online publication would need to name an editor who could be held responsible for postings on message boards they operated. The bill is due to become law next autumn."

Wonder if that law was applied to any of the perp's web rantings. We know he had been booted from YouTube at least once before. Heck, maybe the cops already had a file on the guy.






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"Ezekiel 25:17, The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

[edit on 7-11-2007 by starviego]

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I'm curious to see what or who gets final blame in this case. For the U.S. it's always something other than the shooter like movies, video games, porn, girlfriend, the existence of guns, George Bush.....

It's never the shooter who is responsible.

Let's see how Finland handles it. Maybe something similar to Australia or England and then Finnish parents can start shopping for "stab-proof" school uniforms for their kids.

Youtube will certainly receive a large portion of blame here, I mean this guy was on there espousing his views as much as 4 months ago, leading to hefty amounts of comments that had people telling him to kill himself, asking him about school shootings, where he'd openly admit to admiring hitler etc..

And I only read one thread!