NASA Scientist Fired - Promises Disclosure

WOW

So can I ask all of you a good question.

Why are we here on ATS then?

What's the point?

Why don't we just forget about it all and go about our lives and not question anything?

Hey, don't get me wrong, we need skeptics here. But this whole "there is nothing here to see here people move along" kind of mentality must stop now!!!

On the other hand of course we should not just blindly believe anything, just keep it in mind. I mean come on people just use you common since here.

Originally posted by Cyprex

Originally posted by tezzajw
Any attempt at launching the private rocket will be stopped, with force, if necessary.

What if you launch from another country. Say Mexico, they could use a space program. It would bring great pride to their people.

Fine, launch the rocket from Mexico. No worries. Then, stand-by as it gets shot down before it even has a chance to orbit the moon.

In my opinion, no privately funded rocket will ever reach the moon to validate the claims that there is/not an atmosphere/cities/structures there.

In my opinion the upper atmosphere is controlled by the USA/secret government and they want it to remain that way.

Originally posted by Donoso
I'd simply "borrow" it too, wouldn't you? I mean, you're a notable gaming rig company and you've been out fooling a bunch of "lunatics" over at ATS and other boards. I wouldn't want to be the one that says: "Yeah, we planned the whole thing" now would you?

Hah.

I don't know. I this point, it might be quite a coup. Interest has died down enough with it to come out with any admission of responsibility. "Ha, ha, suckers!" What could a lot of lunatics do, anyway? Lunatics are notoriously ineffectual.

Anyway, that's what the Alienware people said. I suppose you can either choose to believe them or not. I personally have no reason not to at this point, since using the Alienware code on the original Issac/CARET documents just results in gibberish. Why provide a decryption key that doesn't work except for their own ad copy?

Originally posted by tezzajw
In my opinion the upper atmosphere is controlled by the USA/secret government and they want it to remain that way.

It can't be just the US secret govt, it would take a consortrium of industrialized nations (all of whom have access to "upper atmosphere") to do that. Now, if there were a conspiracy THAT VAST, encompassing the globe and controlling billions of its citizens, the presense or absense of breathable air on Moon would be likely the least of my problems.

That opinion of yours is baseless, of course.

Originally posted by johnlear
Many have made the same mistake as you because they are assuming no.1 that you know what the actual temperatures are

Could you be more precise, saying what the temperatures are on Moon?

Just saying that they are different from what we think is a little vague.

Thanks.

If the person is not a scientist why is the the thread titled Nasa Scientist Fired? This guy is a nobody. I love how Zorgon and lear twist every word to suit their claims. It's a complete joke.

I think the only Aliens in our solar system are Lear, Zorgon and their cult following. I hope I don't see you guys on CNN with nike sneakers on laying dead in a bed because they were hoping to take aride on the soul catcher.



[edit on 2-11-2007 by sr71b]

Originally posted by Aelita
It can't be just the US secret govt, it would take a consortrium of industrialized nations (all of whom have access to "upper atmosphere") to do that. Now, if there were a conspiracy THAT VAST, encompassing the globe and controlling billions of its citizens...

How vast does the conspiracy really need to be?

Go on, count the number of space faring nations we know about. Do you need to go beyond ten? I don't think that it is unrealistic for a handful of nations to agree to control the upper atmosphere and beyond.

How many nations have been to the Moon? Do you need more than one hand to count them? Is it that unbelievable that a few organisations would conspire to conceal the truth - whatever it may be?

Of course my opinion is baseless - just like your contrary opinion is also baseless. Neither of us know for sure, that's why they are only opinions and not fact.

reply to post by sr71b


Can I ask you a question sr71b

How long have you been exposed to thinking outside of our normal society?

or

How long have you been a conspiracy theorist?

If you are unable to think outside of our normal society view or main stream science view, then maybe this is not for you.

[edit on 11/2/07 by housegroove23]

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Aelita
It can't be just the US secret govt, it would take a consortrium of industrialized nations (all of whom have access to "upper atmosphere") to do that. Now, if there were a conspiracy THAT VAST, encompassing the globe and controlling billions of its citizens...

How vast does the conspiracy really need to be?

Go on, count the number of space faring nations we know about. Do you need to go beyond ten? I don't think that it is unrealistic for a handful of nations to agree to control the upper atmosphere and beyond.

Nations can't agree much on anything, from Iran trade embargo to cutting greenhouse emissions to myriads other questions. Can you imagine a prestige coming from a huge, amazing discovery madfe in space? I doubt that all of the space faring nations would eschew such possibility. I also very much doubt that the Soviets (a major space faring civilization) would be in cahouts with the US at the height of Cold War and beyond. There is plenty of data from the Soviet Venus probes (many of them), there were a few robotic missions to Moon and heck there is a lot of observational astonomy that's pretty much impossible to silence. There is just no compelling reason to believe that some entity is controlling our knowledge of, or access to, the "upper atmosphere" as you put it.

[edit on 2-11-2007 by Aelita]

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In my opinion, no privately funded rocket will ever reach the moon to validate the claims that there is/not an atmosphere/cities/structures there.

Interesting comment. There was a guy in the UK who built some very large private rockets, but as he got to the point of making orbit, the UK government stopped him flying. I wonder why......... He can now only fly as part of the MoD IIRC.

Regarding the rest of the thread: there has been a lot of talk lately of "disclosure" on UFOs etc.. but NONE of them have as yet come to fruition. I suspect this won't either. If anyone really had anything serious, then they'd be made to disappear in some way. Gary McKinnon is a great example here. He hacked computers and claimed he found evidence of ET - next thing is he's deported to the US and subjected to a Military Tribuneral (www.freegary.org.uk...).

He found something, but I guess we'll never know what. If this guy has anything - I suspect similar would happen to him, or worse.

[edit on 2-11-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

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Can you find any new articles or credible sources of that, it sounds quite interesting.

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Interesting comment. There was a guy in the UK who built some very large private rockets, but as he got to the point of making orbit, the UK government stopped him flying. I wonder why.........

Link, please?

Also, once Virgin Galactic starts making regular suborbital flights, there will be little difference between that and continuous orbital observations. To my knowledge, nobody's trying to stop VG.



[edit on 2-11-2007 by Aelita]

...but orbiting the Earth is not the same as making it into space with intentions to fly further afield.

I'm looking for a link now.

Related: news.bbc.co.uk...

I can't find anything that says they packed up. It appears this is they however, and was possibly that the UK simply prevented them testing further in the UK (typical! ). www.mars.org.uk...

[edit on 2-11-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

Originally posted by Aelita
Also, once Virgin Galactic starts making regular suborbital flights, there will be little difference between that and continuous orbital observations. To my knowledge, nobody's trying to stop VG.

As long as Virgin Galactic will agree to operate within strict guidelines and obey all the commands that force them to adhere to the powers that be, they'll be ok.

Is Virgin Galactic planning to travel to the Moon? I doubt that they'll be allowed to enter a low Moon orbit, or get close enough for passengers to make out any great detail. I don't see paying passengers landing on the Moon any time soon. My baseless opinions, of course.

It's good to read your contrary, baseless opinions though. I guess we can't all think that same way, can we?

Originally posted by housegroove23
Why are we here on ATS then?

What's the point?

I don't know. People have various reasons, I suppose. Some people want to be informed of unusual things they have an interest in. They're curious about unusual things. But I would guess that most people are here in an effort to find more evidence to convince themselves of the correctness of the beliefs they already have.

And they get a bit of a thrill when they're fed information that appears to back up that belief, as well as when that information is challenged and they can get into a good argument about it. There's a little physiological component. A rush, like drinking a cup of coffee, and slightly addictive.

Overall, though, it's pretty unlikely that anything monumentally wonderful is going to be discovered or achieved here, because if something as spectacular as undeniable proof of aliens ever appeared, it would be quickly picked up by the regular news channels and forums like this would be left in the dust.

But until that happens, if ever, we have to make do with something that is roughly the equivalent to game playing, where you're put in an artificial scenario and you accept it as a kind of pseudo-reality to gain some kind of fun and entertainment out of it. Something to wile away the time while we await our eventual deaths.

That's just my opinion.

reply to post by Nohup


While it may be your opinion, I have to subscribe to it.

I'm personally here because I KNOW there is life outside of our own little pleasant blue ball. What I'm looking for is some shred of evidence and the birth pangs of the beginning of "disclosure". Not with an accepting outlook though. If a thread is going to be started in the name of said disclosure then it has to offer something for folks to sample. Otherwise it's sorely underwhelming.

I guess one can say this is a form of entertainment too. Some of the stories on these boards are wild and help spark creative imagination.

[edit on 2-11-2007 by Donoso]

I have found something interesting about Ken Johnston.

Apparently, he is a big fan of Harry Potter.

Take Ken Johnston Sr. of Belen, New Mexico, a NASA veteran who used to train Apollo astronauts. He currently holds the title of "solar system ambassador," and when he's not representing the nearest eight or nine planets, he's dressing like Dumbledore at Harry Potter-related events.

Source

You can interpret it as you like it, I am only presenting this information.

reply to post by Donoso


We do agree that life exists else where in this particular Universe. We are constantly looking for proof and disclosure. I do believe we are witnessing the beginning of disclosure. Remember we are talking about Ken Johnston Sr. who I consider an insider of NASA and LRL. This guy saw first hand during the Apollo Moon missions programs the manipulation of Apollo Moon photos and was a photo documentation supervisor at NASA, Houston.

We have former President Jimmy Carter talking about UFOs by the way is he running interference. Rik Riley



[edit on 2-11-2007 by rikriley]

This stuff just gets more sad with every new spin these guys throw on it. This time they drag some shmoe out into the spotlight and claim they are a high up member of NASA who is coming out with the final proof - and yet there is absolutely nothing.

The worst part about all this? People like John Lear are doing more damage to their own agendas than anyone else could. Maybe there are ruins on the moon. Maybe there has been a massive cover-up for 40 years, maybe NASA has been sitting on the most explosive secret in the history of mankind. If so, people like Hoagland certainly aren't helping their cause when they push silly books full of the same nonsense, the same blurry inkblot pictures (OH MY GOD A REACTOR!!!) and the same rhetoric over, and over, and over again.

If the truth is going to come out, about ANYTHING, it will be a single person that breaks their silence and comes forward to the World with obvious proof so undeniable that the news organizations and the goverments of all nations can't do anything but help to share the news in a way that doesn't destroy the fragile civilization we have.

Oh, and Mr. Lear, please allow me to break the news to you that thanking every single person for their post makes you come across as a smarmy individual who loses all respect anyone might have for you in the process. Yeah, it was a great shtick nine million posts ago, now it is annoying to the point where I can't stand to read your posts at all.

I am all for exposing any cover-up NASA has been part of as far as extraterrestrial life goes - and they would certainly be the ones covering it up - but this is not the way to go about it. People like Hoagland set the movement back with every 'great proof' and in the end they cement the notion most people have that questioning the powers that be on these issues makes one a wacko and a nutcase.

reply to post by rikriley


But I've heard that said so many times before. With my very limited time here on ATS I can count 7 threads off the top of my head that should have signaled the IMMINENT reality of disclosure.

I'm still waiting.

What about the folks that have been here for years? There has probably been atleast one hundred threads started saying the same things:

Disclosure is here.

I guess we're all still waiting.