Cheney: US will not let Iran go nuclear

reply to post by patrickbateman


perhaps i should rephrase a bit

Iran has never invaded any countries in last 100 years. But off course.. i may be mistaking.
And yes.. i know Iran had some lethal conflict at the border of Iraq. However I haven't seen any evidence that Iran has any Influence with Hezbollah. But i do know that some Iran's has some supportive opinions about Hezbollah.

However.. I asking you this. What if Iran has no intention for war, and are solely using nuclear technology for Energy reasons. So is it right to prejudice Iran? just because Iran has a disagreement with Israel and UN decision after second world war 2 ?

So Iran is the big bad black sheep being chased by the big white wolf who so claim Iran is "Evil"? and the wolf is doing excessive media manipulation to avoid that people of the world will have a neutral opinion about Iran or in worst case for wolf .. a supportive opinion.

By the way isn't one sided media manipulation to people in a way "disturbing" don't we have a right to think for our self. a right to see things from both side?
No offense.. It seems for me that Israel and Us are using great resources to make us think bad about Iran. is that evil?

what happen to freedom of thinking?

the real reason the usa wants to go forth an attack iran is for the oil, you see the few men in charge had a big plan to control the world. But they had to use oil as a catalyst for that to happen, they went over to the middle east and said that we will show you how to pump the oil and make you rich but you have to denominate in dollars...Iraq and Iran were some of the major nations that did not comply to the oil bankers and now it has become apparent to them that this is a threat, because if they denominate in dollars than the bankers and the people in charge have all of the control....


I posted a video on this thread...The most important video you will ever see I mean even zeitgeist mentioned that we will eventually try to go to war with Iran, in fact i think it was Nicolas Rockefeller that was quoted in saying that.



parts 1-8

Watch that video it will explain everything about why it is inevitable that we will go to war with Iran unless the people get smart and realize what is happening...I would love to start a petition or group at my college but lets face it Saturday and Sunday night football and getting wasted beyond belief seems to be more important. Even if i try to mention this to my peers even my parents i get the " thats not true out government would never do that face"


Why doesn't the you tube thing work on here




[edit on 22-10-2007 by ATSGUY]

This thread I am posting is very informative. I am including my comment on it because I think the two together are relative to this discussion.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ahmad Chalibi and the Iraqi National Congress supplied a lot of those types to this administration's "intelligence" which woofed them down without so much of a blink. They included an Iraqi General who wasn't and a whole variety of other fakes.

The thing is for the most part the CIA wasn't fooled but they were discounted and sidelined.

All this from an administration that wants us to believe it has the poop on Iran now.

Like I said its relative. This administration is trying to use the same sort of lies they used on Iraq to get us into war with Iran.

These people are criminal and need to be stopped.

well i understand the world scare that Iran might produce nuclear weapons and become a threat to the world blah blah blah . . .

first of all shouldn't the US be worried about its own nuclear missiles. I am referring to the little scare that happened a while back during the summer, when missiles were "accidently" transported across the US. They should be worried on how that happened and how easy it was for a missile to fly unnoticed by anyone.

Another thing is why are we worried about iran ? If any nuclear weapons are going to be used against the US wouldn't be easier for terrorists to send a suicide bomber to bomb a nuclear power plant ? a nuclear reactor ? less expensive for them than to produce them .

Who made the US world police ? if they don't want Iran having nuclear weapons then they shouldn't have them anyways. They are the only country to have ever used such weapons on civilians . . . .




[edit on 22-10-2007 by minitank]

reply to post by grover


can you blame leaders of nations that are still operating on a little bit of common sense still for being concerned about a country run by lunies obtaining nukes they would probably give to the terrorist factions that are irans proxies and that threaten monthly to wipe israel off the map that threaten american and western troop bases with missile strikes and that are supplying terrorists with weapons they are using to murder our troops with presently.israel has probably had nukes for 40 years and until olmert came along never revealed that fact to the world let alone threaten anyone with them----------although during the 73 war after israel was attacked by surprise and started to suffer reverses and told the usa that was witholding arms shipments at that time until israel loaded up the nukes on their aircraft and told the usa that your leaving us no choice if you wont resupply us .for some reason henry kissinger believed them.

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the trouble is we are not one of those nations operating with a little common sense. This is an ideologue administration and they put their ideology first and foremost.... not the public weal.

Originally posted by Viperion
However I haven't seen any evidence that Iran has any Influence with Hezbollah. But i do know that some Iran's has some supportive opinions about Hezbollah.

Iran makes no secret of its support of Hezbollah. They never have. Iran pays the bills and supplies the weapons. Hezbollah answers to Iran directly. I don't think that is even in dispute. A simple search of the Net should yield all the info you need.

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I think it's our duty, as people who have access to freedom of speech (while it lasts) to keep this war from being written down in history as one where the media portrays through propoganda and lies.

Originally posted by Viperion

However.. I asking you this. What if Iran has no intention for war, and are solely using nuclear technology for Energy reasons.

Considering they have publicly stated their goal to wipe Israel off the map and destroy the West if we refuse to convert to their exact brand of the Muslim faith; the suspicions are well founded.

Do you think President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is lying when he says these things? If so why do you think he lies about that? I've looked into the claims he is misquoted and it is a ruse. The people translating are mostly people who speak his language natively and he does not deny these statements. In fact he makes these threats with an obvious bravado and a manic look in his eyes. I for one am glad he is not really in charge. He does however command Hezbollah.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Considering they have publicly stated their goal to wipe Israel off the map and destroy the West if we refuse to convert to their exact brand of the Muslim faith; the suspicions are well founded.

Do you think President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is lying when he says these things?

Show us where he said this please, as well as who translated. It has already been proven that he never said "Israel should be wiped off the map," only their type of regime to be changed.

[edit on 22-10-2007 by DJMessiah]

I think if Russia and China would cooperate war would be avoided. I think Iran would back off if real Sanctions were allowed to happen. Let us not forget they were offered their Nuclear Power Plant as a gift with the fuel being supplied as a gift and they refused. That alone damns them. I think they persist because they feel Russia and China are on their side.

I think this whole thing is a money game. Iran knows they can drive the price of oil up by exactly what they are doing. It is a dangerous game however.

.....and lest we forget; There are "no" Gays in Iran They are not Infidels like us. They just get kicks and giggles from blowing people up with IUD's, Car Bombs and Suicide Bombers. They even make sure most of the people they blow up are fellow Muslims. Clean harmless fun. Also the joy they must get fooling around with Hostages. Ah, to be in Iran in the Springtime when the smell of Gun Powder is in the air. The exhilaration of Stoning an Adulteress to death in the cool morning air. The joy when a well placed bomb killing dozens of fellow Muslims makes the Morning News. Alas, I can not afford to Vacation there this year. So sad.

[edit on 10/22/2007 by Blaine91555]

Originally posted by DJMessiah

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Considering they have publicly stated their goal to wipe Israel off the map and destroy the West if we refuse to convert to their exact brand of the Muslim faith; the suspicions are well founded.

Do you think President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is lying when he says these things?

Show us where he said this please, as well as who translated. It has already been proven that he never said "Israel should be wiped off the map," only their type of regime to be changed.

I'm surprised people still make so much about what political leaders say in public. Bravado is common to all leaders, they all say stuff which they have no intention of making good on, it's how they manipulate the public to like them. If they told the truth, they wouldn't win elections.

More important is what political leaders do. Actions speak far louder than words.

Bush and co. have shown the world more than once they are quite capable of deceiving the global audience and sending their own innocent young citizens to a violent death, either for financial profit or to further a power hungry agenda.

What is most sad, is that leaders like this get voted back into government by the very citizens they are deceiving.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
.....and lest we forget; There are "no" Gays in Iran

And the disinfo keeps on coming.

Where did he specifically say "Iran has no gays"? He said, "In Iran, we do not have gays like your country," meaning there isn't the same number of gays such as the gay population in the US.

They are not Infidels like us.

Do tell us what "infidels" means.

They just get kicks and giggles from blowing people up with IUD's, Car Bombs and Suicide Bombers. They even make sure most of the people they blow up are fellow Muslims.

Interesting. Can you show us an article where Iran committed a suicide attack, or they blew up fellow Muslims?

Ah, to be in Iran in the Springtime when the smell of Gun Powder is in the air. The exhilaration of Stoning an Adulteress to death in the cool morning air.

Ever been to Iran? No? Then what do you know about what goes on in the daily life there? I can guarantee that if you were to visit there, you would change your remark from one of ignorance and media-propoganda believer, to someone who really knows what's going on in the world and who we are forced to believe are "evil."

The joy when a well place bomb killing dozens of fellow Muslims makes the Morning News.

Show us which news articles you have been reading.

Alas, I can not afford to Vacation there this year. So sad.

Too bad. You're missing out on a beautiful country with thousands of years of history.

reply to post by DJMessiah


The Gay part was a joke. The reference to the IUD's was due to them being of Iranian manufacture. The Hostage reference was due to them detaining people from other countries.

I am 100% convinced Ahmadinejads threats were not misquoted and I often wonder why people defend him?

Infidels is what they call people who don't follow their beliefs is it not?

Source
First used in Middle English circa 1460 (adjective, noun), from the Middle French infidèle, and from Latin infidelis "unfaithful," later "unbelieving," In the 15c. meaning "a non-Christian" (especially a Saracen); later "one who does not believe in religion" (1526). Also used to translate Arabic kafir, from a root meaning "to disbelieve, to deny," strictly referring to all non-Muslims but virtually synonymous with "Christian"; hence, from a Muslim or Jewish point of view, "a Christian".

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I think if Russia and China would cooperate war would be avoided. I think Iran would back off if real Sanctions were allowed to happen. Let us not forget they were offered their Nuclear Power Plant as a gift with the fuel being supplied as a gift and they refused. That alone damns them. I think they persist because they feel Russia and China are on their side.

I think this whole thing is a money game. Iran knows they can drive the price of oil up by exactly what they are doing. It is a dangerous game however.

.....and lest we forget; There are "no" Gays in Iran

They are not Infidels like us. They just get kicks and giggles from blowing people up with IUD's, Car Bombs and Suicide Bombers. They even make sure most of the people they blow up are fellow Muslims. Clean harmless fun. Also the joy they must get fooling around with Hostages. Ah, to be in Iran in the Springtime when the smell of Gun Powder is in the air. The exhilaration of Stoning an Adulteress to death in the cool morning air. The joy when a well placed bomb killing dozens of fellow Muslims makes the Morning News. Alas, I can not afford to Vacation there this year. So sad.

[edit on 10/22/2007 by Blaine91555]

Best post ive seen on here yet. Finally someopne speaking with logic and not just wanting to beleive everything that comes out of Ahmadenjhads mouth. Some folks on here are just so anti-american that they are taking a different viewpoint no matter how absurd.

I should also mention I had the unpleasant experience of viewing a tape of two women being stoned to death in Iran. It was smuggled out by a Resistance Movement opposed to the oppressive Sharia Law. The people doing the stoning were treating it like a sporting event. How can I not be repulsed by that. Any civilized person would be. They were cheering one another as they killed these women.

If you want more of the truth check out the Amnesty Internationals Reports. Do a Google Search.

As to visiting there. No, not, never. If it is not a country free of Radical Islams control I have no wish to go there. I understand the population is under control of these Monsters, but it is up to them to free themselves. Unless, of course, you think we should attack and help them out?

I think you mean IED

An IUD is.. sigh.. nevermind.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I think if Russia and China would cooperate war would be avoided. I think Iran would back off if real Sanctions were allowed to happen. Let us not forget they were offered their Nuclear Power Plant as a gift with the fuel being supplied as a gift and they refused. That alone damns them. I think they persist because they feel Russia and China are on their side.

I think this whole thing is a money game. Iran knows they can drive the price of oil up by exactly what they are doing. It is a dangerous game however.

.....and lest we forget; There are "no" Gays in Iran

They are not Infidels like us. They just get kicks and giggles from blowing people up with IUD's, Car Bombs and Suicide Bombers. They even make sure most of the people they blow up are fellow Muslims. Clean harmless fun. Also the joy they must get fooling around with Hostages. Ah, to be in Iran in the Springtime when the smell of Gun Powder is in the air. The exhilaration of Stoning an Adulteress to death in the cool morning air. The joy when a well placed bomb killing dozens of fellow Muslims makes the Morning News. Alas, I can not afford to Vacation there this year. So sad.

[edit on 10/22/2007 by Blaine91555]

Iran is not guilty of suicide bombing attacks, nor roadside bomb attempts, in fact, your entire description of Iran so far is clearly confused with the Islamic extremists of organizations such as Al-Qaeda.

This confusion you are expressing is certainly not making you look anything less than racist.

Yes, there are some Muslims not Iranians who are killing people they do not see eye to eye with. However, the US itself has had it's fair share of religious extremism.

The KKK used to hang and shoot African Americans, simply because their skin was the wrong color, not because they disagreed with them.
The Southern States are known across the world for being a center of slavery, Texas is known to the world as "That place that likes to kill retards".

Of course, anyone who has access to REAL information can tell you these stereotypes are false... or at least they have changed since then.

Unfortunately, many people chose to subscribe to the usual stereotypes when thinking of Muslims.

Very few Muslims are actually terrorists... unfortunately, they're the only ones you're hunting right now.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
The reference to the IUD's was due to them being of Iranian manufacture.

You do understand that the guns, bombs, and other weapons being used by everyone the US has claimed to be the enemy was created by the US and sold to them by the US? How many people have we killed in the world, just to make a quick buck off selling our weaponry?

The Hostage reference was due to them detaining people from other countries.

Good thing this doesn't happen elsewhere in the world.

I am 100% convinced Ahmadinejads threats were not misquoted and I often wonder why people defend him?

Convinced by who? Show us exactly what he said and you can see that he was indeed misquoted.

Infidels is what they call people who don't follow their beliefs is it not?

Yes and no. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, so don't take it as 100% proof. They reference it to being a "kafr" or "kafir" when infact, the Quran mentions kafirs as the pagans who were attacking Muhammad. Christians and Jews are considered brethren in faith to Muslims, and also "People of the Book."

[edit on 22-10-2007 by DJMessiah]

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ats guy----thanks for the 8 videos of lindsey williams--------ok-----you got to me--------i believe what the guy is saying------even though it is incredible-----he makes sense out of the crazieness i see going on in the world and at home.even though i only drive about once every 3 months now--- the oil price increases effect everything else we buy to live on.all i see is the inevitable end coming soon.without 56? leaders with the guts like the signers of the declaration of independence to straighten out our mess-----we will be freezing to death in the dark ----------i dont see enough leaders---------chicken me wants to bail out and find a warm place in the sun where all you need is a grass skirt----and no money.if the signers of the declaration could see the mess our so called leaders have made for us now ------i could hardly blame them to not saying:and we sacrificed everything for this??????