Proof that the pentagon didn't get hit by a boeing 757

I'm still waiting for Mr. Crowley to back up or support this claim:

Originally posted by Crazy_Mr_Crowley
The one thing that can't be ignored about the pentagon is the punch out
on the D wall. It's just utterly impossible for any kind of plane whether it be A-3 skywarrior or 757 to do that. Although even crash investigators are suspicious of the pentagon crash scene nowadays.

Please elaborate on this.

What punch out on the "D" wall? (It was the "C" wall).

Why do you think it is physically impossible for a plane to have made that hole?

What “crash investigators” are suspicious of the pentagon crash scene nowadays?

CNN report, No plane hit the Pentagon.

media.vidilife.com...

Yes, because we ALL know that a CNN reporter is a certified crash investigator with YEARS of experience investigating crashes and can instantly tell what happened to a plane. Especially when they have reports of truck bombs going off all over Washington, and 5 more planes being hijacked that day.

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But it does not take a crash investigator to see that there is no real plane debri. Maybe you can show us where the other parts are.

1. 9 wheels
2. 2 landing gear
3. Main parts from 2 eingines
4. Wings
5. Tail
6. 1 large tungstun counterweight

[edit on 5/8/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

So, just because we don't see these things and they don't take pictures of EVERY SINGLE piece of debris and show them all to everyone, they aren't there? There have been a lot of plane crashes where there were parts that were just gone after the fire, and the impact. Why should this one be any different?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
So, just because we don't see these things and they don't take pictures of EVERY SINGLE piece of debris and show them all to everyone, they aren't there? There have been a lot of plane crashes where there were parts that were just gone after the fire, and the impact. Why should this one be any different?

This is a crime scene isn't it. Oh and there are dozens of pics of the lawn and front of the building while the fire department are still spaying water on the fire before anyone even went near the building and you can not see any place where witnesses said the plane hit the ground first, and you can not see any peices of debri.

I am a former Air Force Crew Chief and presently work for NSA, Office of Weapons and Space, so i know a little bit about what i am looking at when i see a crash site.

If you want to see plane wreckage from pentagon, go here: www.911myths.com...

Well I just saw on Fox News that there was a "Black Box" that was retrieved from the 757 that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon. I wonder why they never released or played those audio recordings to the Public? I for one would sure like to hear them!!! Hmmm... very interesting!

Originally posted by msdos464
If you want to see plane wreckage from pentagon, go here: www.911myths.com...

Ok so where is the rest of the real debris.

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Well I just saw on Fox News that there was a "Black Box" that was retrieved from the 757 that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon. I wonder why they never released or played those audio recordings to the Public? I for one would sure like to hear them!!! Hmmm... very interesting!

what would they say?


The CVR would only record the last 30 minutes until its forcefully not used.
IF the highjackers jacked the plane, then it would record nothing , since the recordings are taken from the ear/headphone/mics that they use during the flight. If the highjackers killed them, the CVR would only have the last few minutes of their conversation. I doubt the highjacker to jacked the plane would put that those headphones on to speak to himself.

THE CVR would reveal nothing

The FDR would only show exactly what has been reported, the speed, altitude at the time of the crash.

I just want to clear up a couple things. Cruise missles DO use jet engines after their jet fuel runs out. They go at about the same speed a jet would if it had plummeted from 30,000 feet engines full throttle. Even though a jet is not a steel block it is still VERY heavy and going very fast so it would penetrate farther than the first ring. Missles are much lighter and would hit then most likely explode outward away from the building que security video. The "wheel" could easily be mistaken for a o-ring on a cruise missle. The first floor was the only one to collapse to begin with and missles are much flatter meaning it would hit a smaller area. They could easily be mistaken for a plane when they're going 500 mph and you see them for a split second. I say this because cruise missles have wings and small tail fins and if you see it for a split second they could be mistaken for wings and tailfins of a cruise missle. Since a cruise missle has jet engines it would sound like it too. It is a possibility not a set in stone fact that it was a cruise missle. I just wanted to put down some real facts about cruise missles.

This should help,there are many goverment insiders stateing that the entire 9-11 sequences were known as OPERATION NORTHWOODS.Listen to what different members of various administrations are leaking out.Very interesting.

I dont know how people can deny that a plane did not go into the WTC or government buldings. I have family in the Military that where in the Pentagon when it hit, and they said it was a plane. Also for the WTC the same thing. I been to the WTC Site after 9/11 as well, people should show respect for the dead. There was a stupid guy out side yelling it was a conspiracy, and I lost people I known in the WTC. I had family driving to work sitting on the bridge watching the plane fly into the city. You guys can believe what ever you want, but thats being disrespectful. If you think the government crashed into the buildings then fine, but there where people on those planes, and in that building and I know a few that died.

Originally posted by ProjectX1986
I dont know how people can deny that a plane did not go into the WTC or government buldings. I have family in the Military that where in the Pentagon when it hit, and they said it was a plane. Also for the WTC the same thing. I been to the WTC Site after 9/11 as well, people should show respect for the dead. There was a stupid guy out side yelling it was a conspiracy, and I lost people I known in the WTC. I had family driving to work sitting on the bridge watching the plane fly into the city. You guys can believe what ever you want, but thats being disrespectful. If you think the government crashed into the buildings then fine, but there where people on those planes, and in that building and I know a few that died.

Well most of the families have been trying to get the government to tell them what happened. they are tired of the media BS.. And yes lots of people saw a plane but no one can seem to verify it was a 757 and flight 77.

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Well I just saw on Fox News that there was a "Black Box" that was retrieved from the 757 that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon. I wonder why they never released or played those audio recordings to the Public? I for one would sure like to hear them!!!

The Flight Data Recorder information was released. It usually is, although it usually records more parameters than were made available. Probably because the information would mean little to the general public. Cockpit Voice Recorder data is not released. In fact, I don't think it's even admissible in a court of law. You can thank ALPA for that. I agree with them. Who in their right mind wants to hear the final struggle in a normal aircraft crash for control of a doomed aircraft?

There are instances where the NTSB has released transcripts of the CVR's. They don't make fun reading and I know. I've read a few.

As I have have said in another thread on this topic (there are so many threads dealing with the same thing and posters too lazy to read and/or search them out), the Pentagon crash is unique in aviation history. No one has ever before deliberately flown a large passenger jet into a building at high speed. Of course the crash site is going to be different. Of course the debris is going to be different. Read and research aircraft crashes for 20 years and then come back and tell me your findings. Read and reseach forensics for 20 years and then come back and tell me your findings. Don't just jump in out of the blue and expect to be an expert. I'm not and I've spent that time researching aircraft crashes and forensics, with a bit of arson investigation thrown in because that fascinated me too.

I have no interest in what the American Government may or may not be doing as far as a conspiracy because they're not my Government. I'm purely and simply looking at the facts of an aircraft crash.

Photos: Oh yes, another good one. What makes people here believe that every photo has been released? Why should they be? This is a criminal investigation, people, photos and video that may be used in a court of law are never, repeat never, released prior to a trial due to the possiblity of prejudicing that trial. That's simple logic.

Originally posted by cashlink
Stateofgrace I do really injoy reading your post .
But I must say, you and I dont seem to see I to I on this matter.
A lot of People here in the good old USA would sell there mother for a buck,and keep their mouth shut. I do belive the USA has the highest crime rate in the world.
And the illegal drugs in this country wich is a billon$ business and is out of control.
Here in the good old USA the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and we could care less about the poor in our country. We are out for our self.
Sure we will help one another when there is a serious disaster lol but after the disaster is long over, its back to business of stabing each other in the back.
We are just a mess over here you have to understand we are disfunctional people
here.
And if we can come up with a scam to make trillons of $ and hoodwink everyone
we will do it.and you want to know Y Because we can thats Y and yes we the very rich here in the good old USA are very well protected. Dont belive me check out our crooked court system the very wealthy dont go to jail here. oops yes one did go to jail for telling a lie yes our country spent millons to prosecute her just for telling one little lie, her name is Martha Stewart. LOL
We have a President who has lied and lied and lied to the world over and over again,
and no one is Prosecuteing him, how odd I find that .
Yes we the very elite WILL murder 1,000 to make millons and we can SLEEP at nights.

I'm patiently waiting for your evidence that supports this. Something other than analytical hearsay or conjecture. Any time now...

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by ProjectX1986
I dont know how people can deny that a plane did not go into the WTC or government buldings. I have family in the Military that where in the Pentagon when it hit, and they said it was a plane. Also for the WTC the same thing. I been to the WTC Site after 9/11 as well, people should show respect for the dead. There was a stupid guy out side yelling it was a conspiracy, and I lost people I known in the WTC. I had family driving to work sitting on the bridge watching the plane fly into the city. You guys can believe what ever you want, but thats being disrespectful. If you think the government crashed into the buildings then fine, but there where people on those planes, and in that building and I know a few that died.

Well most of the families have been trying to get the government to tell them what happened. they are tired of the media BS.. And yes lots of people saw a plane but no one can seem to verify it was a 757 and flight 77.

Yes they CAN identify it was 77 because they identified the remains of the passengers flying in on flight 77.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
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But it does not take a crash investigator to see that there is no real plane debri. Maybe you can show us where the other parts are.

1. 9 wheels
2. 2 landing gear
3. Main parts from 2 eingines
4. Wings
5. Tail
6. 1 large tungstun counterweight

[edit on 5/8/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

They were burned. They found peices of the plane with the AA logo on it, they found engine parts, they found wheels and remains from the passengers. What more do you want?

[edit on 13-6-2006 by nt327]

Coming late to this thread I have three questions.


In every other plane crash investigators painstakingly gather every minute scrap of the plane found usually scattered over a large area. They take these parts to a large warehousr and lay them out in position where the part would be in the original plane, photo graph the wreckage in minute detail and document it. Where is this documentation on THIS crash? Top secret? Its no a Stealth or something, its an ordinary passenger liner....


Since this was just an ordinary passenger flight, why would the passenger list be kept hidden and where are the screaming law suit hunting relatives for the pentagon crash?

As to body parts... In the world trade center they carefully gathered every scrap, gruesome task that it was, of genetic material for future identification, a task still going on today. Why is there no such action with the pentagon chrash casualties?

Just Curious

There was no reason to rebuild this plane. They rebuild them in an attempt to figure out what caused them to crash. They KNOW why this one crashed.