Huge Chemtrail Spraying Operation Going On Now. 10-18-07

reply to post by defcon5


I'm on the fence with contrails,but defcon you are getting to cocky to even read your posts........

You instantly say oh that is not chemtrails,that is a normal contrail.....How the hell can anyone know for sure?YOU don't know for sure,either do the people who posted the pics.

None of you know at all,unless you were able to take samples from the exact picture in question then you do not know.

reply to post by goose

Just in case there is anyone here who actually thinks that the US government would not use it's own people for experiments without their knowledge and consent I give you this link.

Lord. It is ridiculous to think that the military is going to wipe out all its own people while comitting suicide at the same time. Then they have no military left. Who is going to fly the jets? Who is going to load the weapons? The very people whom you claim to be doing this, are the very people breathing the same air. So, what you are saying is they are comitting suicide and bodily harm to themselves.

Who is going to run the country when the President (whomever he is) is being "sprayed" too?

Sorry, but I have never seen the President wearing special masks when outside. I have never seen the top brass in the military wearing special masks when outside.

THEY ALL breathe the SAME air as the little civilian pions that you claim they are trying to kill, mame, etc etc.



And to those who say there is no proof this is NOT being done. There is NO proof that it is being done. Its all fabrication and speculation.

Let’s suppose for a moment that TPTB are indeed controlling the long term climate and water resources of the southeast through the use of spraying chemtrails. What could be the long term goals of the operation?

A) Population reduction? Perhaps biological agents such as e-coli and staph are used in chemtrail spray as a means of a double-blind method of culling a small amount of population…apparently the young and elderly. Perhaps this method of delivery wasn’t too reliable and therefore climate control was the next best thing (besides a genetically engineered avian flu).

B) Race wars? Perhaps climate control will be used to divide the population between the haves/have nots. In Atlanta, this would generally (but not entirely), divide the population according to race. Would FEMA step in and distribute water and food or would they disappear or be slow to respond as in Katrina. Perhaps the supplies they did distribute would be contaminated with something.

C) Social experiment? Perhaps they are “softening” the southeast area for a one-two punch. If the southeast were hit by a nuclear or “dirty” attack perhaps TPTB would want more casualties by reducing the populations’ water and food resources. Or perhaps they just want to see how a major urban area will deal with shortages.

D) Hurricane Reduction? The TPTB response to Katrina. This doesn’t make sense for the fact that chemtrails are sprayed in winter also.

E) Military branch divisions? Perhaps 911 was an inside job and splintered the services. Atlanta holds several Air Force bases. The Air Force controls the nukes- perhaps they’re not playing along with a long term goal of nuking Iran. Judging from some recent jet aircraft crashes in N.GA, the NAVY are the ones spraying chemtrails.

F) Economic collapse? The southeast holds a large manufacturing base- such as the carpet factories in Dalton which takes lots of water (like Shaw Industries). A lot of business is conducted in Atlanta and Birmingham. Perhaps TPTB are liquidating US assets to pave the way for the Euro or Amero.

G) Artificial global warming? Perhaps climate control is being used to raise awareness and concern for a man-made or false phenomenon. Maybe this is to enact more strict controls/laws/taxes over oil so that someone profits (like somebody from TX).


These are just the obvious talking points. I’m sure there are others. Just to play it safe, I urge everyone to store at least a small amount of food and water. Personally, I have measured what I can get by with on the consumption of drinking water. Three gallons/week per person is what I am comfortable with (just on drinking water- this does not take into account water for food preparation). For a family of three, a three month supply of water would be about 150 gallons. I urge everyone in the southeast to take this seriously and to store at least a small amount of drinking water before it is too late. This is not too preposterous because in my local newspaper (Friday, Oct 19 edition) an article states that in Grundy County, TN the local water utility may have as little as three days worth of water supply left in Laurel Lake (the district’s source of drinking water) according to a report issued by the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency….better safe than sorry.

Originally posted by goose
Just in case there is anyone here who actually thinks that the US government would not use it's own people for experiments without their knowledge and consent I give you this link.

BTW this is only a 4 and half minute clip that will blow your mind. It is from a documentary that I saw it years ago, and I am trying to find the whole documentary so if you recognize this please post the name or a link. Here is the link, get ready to be shocked.

www.youtube.com... 20rage%20against%20the%20machine.


[edit on 20-10-2007 by goose]

Here is the code...

www4.law.cornell.edu...

§ 1520a. Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents
(a) Prohibited activities
The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract)—
(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or
(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on human subjects.

(b) Exceptions
Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e) of this section, the prohibition in subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a test or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:
(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity.
(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.
(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related to riot control.

reply to post by greeneyedleo



Did you even bother watching the video I posted, or are you just assuming you know everything about this matter? What is in the video has been documented and is proof that the government has tested many things on the population in many cities without their knowledge and on a widescale basis, and also chosen at random, individuals to test on without their knowledge. There have been some deaths associated with these experiments and that is documented too.

Some of the tests that were done was testing how long some of this stuff they released would stay in the air. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that they are capable of testing for air quality, and I would assume to make sure their precious government officials and families would be out of the area that would be dangerous.

As for George Bush in a gas mask, there is a segment of the population who would believe he was making a fashion statement, if they were told that was what he was doing. After all, some believed that the man who is president did not have the skills to excuse himself from a classroom full of students, to oversee the defense of our country on 9/11/01, without scaring them, so it was perfectly reasonable to them that he just sat there for several minutes listening to the children read.






[edit on 20-10-2007 by goose]

Well, writing this stuff obviously does not explain it well, so I decided to make up a few graphics to try and better explain what I am saying. I am not much of an artist, so excuse the crudeness of the images, but hopefully a picture is worth a thousand words.

Holding patterns:


VOR’s creating grids and other patterns:


How one aircraft can be making a persistent contrail while others are not:


Why contrails can sometimes suddenly stop and restart:

The weatherwars web site is back up and with it really great photos of chemtrails, especially the Pilots view.
Check out this web site.

www.weatherwars.info...

Originally posted by goose
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Did you even bother watching the video I posted, or are you just assuming you know everything about this matter? What is in the video has been documented and is proof that the government has tested many things on the population in many cities without their knowledge and on a widescale basis, and also chosen at random, individuals to test on without their knowledge. There have been some deaths associated with these experiments and that is documented too.

Some of the tests that were done was testing how long some of this stuff they released would stay in the air. So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that they are capable of testing for air quality, and I would assume to make sure their precious government officials and families would be out of the area that would be dangerous.
[edit on 20-10-2007 by goose]

You might find the following extracts of interest, as they refer to one of the types of public area BW experiments mentioned in the video - i.e. BW mini-generators hidden in suitcases!







Since 1947, the three Tripartite countries - US, Canada, and the UK - have conducted numerous field trials which have involved the dissemination, in populated areas, of massive amounts of Biological Warfare (BW) simulants.

For the past ten years I have successfully investigated the UK's involvement in this clandestine BW research programme. A programme which exposed millions of UK residents to the digestion and inhalation of massive amounts of BW simulants. These simulants took the form of either chemical compounds (such as Zinc Cadmium sulphide), or live bacteria (E.coli; Bacillus globigii, Serratia marcescens).

In all of these field trials( over 320 and rising in the UK alone), there was one common factor; the size of the particle - which was between 1-5 microns. This particle size was selected for use in all of the experiments as it was the proven optimum size for real BW agents. Particles of this size would successfully evade the body's natural defences and travel to the deepest part of the lung - the alvioli.

But particles of this size do have a drawback - they like to stay airborne!

Therefore, in order to conduct a successful BW attack (whether a small scale sabotage attack or a Large Area Coverage attack), the source material is disseminated from an altitude which starts at ground level and ends at about 1,500 ft asl.

At no time did UK scientists ever spray BW simulants at an altitude greater than 1,500 ft asl - the normal altitude for the dissemination of BW simulants during the LAC BW field trials was between 400-1,200 ft asl.
(for evidence, examine the official documents at ATS Thread)

Obviously, as military scientists, who had spent over 20 years investigating the best way to contaminate vast areas of the population, have decided that the optimum height to produce such contamination was between ground level and 1,500 ft asl, then the theory that 'chemtrails' have a BW link must now be finally discounted.


Finally, as the UK's field trials proved, the protection of politicians comes very low down on the Chiefs of Staff's priorities. The UK's BW research facility at Porton Down conducted public area experiments for over 15 years before any Minister was ever informed!

During the mid-1950s, Porton scientists even conducted BW attacks on the Top Secret Whitehall Tunnel system (using live bacterial BW simulants). The results of these field trials "showed extensive contamination of many Whitehall buildings".

Porton papers reveal biological danger for Blair

It is likely that the cloud would have infiltrated 10 Downing Street during the trials in 1955!


zero lift

The problem is, Zero Lift, that there is no evidence that such operations resulted in the creation of what are today called chemtrails - whilst the meteorological evidence shows that what are today called chemtrails are the result of well known atmospheric processes.

I see chemtrails everyday. Mostly in the evening or late afternoon. I don't know what they're spraying, but they're doing something. I just find it amazing when people say they don't see them, they're everywhere everyday.

Originally posted by Essan
The problem is, Zero Lift, that there is no evidence that such operations resulted in the creation of what are today called chemtrails - whilst the meteorological evidence shows that what are today called chemtrails are the result of well known atmospheric processes.

The problem with your logic is, that one (contrails) does rule out the existence of the other (chemtrails).

Are you implying that chemtrails do not exist, because contrails do?
If so, I don't think I need to point out the obvious logical fallacies in this line of thinking.
However, that is exactly how I read your statement.

So maybe I do.

Let's say that I am becoming convinced that cats exist, and that I am becoming further convinced that a specific kind of cat exists: a Calico cat.
You and others here then try to convince me that I am wrong, by talking about dogs.
You, and others here then launch into great detail about all manner and types of dogs, and studies of dogs as tho that addresses my original post.

Apples and oranges.

I mentioned it before, yet no one addressed the most obvious and striking signature of 'chemtrails' or whatever they are:

The very deliberate MOVEMENTS of these particular jets.
They are characterized by very singular traits:

1- They take no known flight paths. That is, they do NOT follow normal air traffic routes.

2- It is NEVER a single jet. Or even two. Or even three. This only occurs ONLY with tens of aircraft, I counted no less than 11 in a very short span of time, (20 -30 minutes) and missed several others since it was obvious they had recently left trails.

3- The odd flight patterns that are obviously connected by always less than 10-15 degrees. If it were a normal flight path, then the same route would be flown.

4- Each new jet usually lays down a trail that is about normally about 5-7 degrees from the previous one, suggesting that that the new pilot is well aware of where the previous pliot had just flown.

and finally, the clincher for me:

5- In no instance have I EVER observed these very striking flight patterns emitting a NORMAL contrail. In other words, every single instance of these peculiar flight patterns ARE accompanied by the mysterious "expanding contrail".
EVERY instance.
Show me a paper on that.

Originally posted by Essan
The problem is, Zero Lift, that there is no evidence that such operations resulted in the creation of what are today called chemtrails - whilst the meteorological evidence shows that what are today called chemtrails are the result of well known atmospheric processes.

I totally agree Essan.

There no evidence that such operations resulted in the creation of what are today called chemtrails - in fact, all the evidence (declassified Porton documents) points to the unarguable fact, that successful operational dissemination of BW agents is achieved at very much lower altitudes than those associated with 'chemtrails'. In fact, dissemination of BW agents at high altitude would be totally counter-productive as it would necessitate a vast (and totally unnecessary) increase of source material.



Above is a very rare photo of a UK aircraft conducting a BW 'attack' over the Bedfordshire area of England. As you can just make out, the aircraft - Canberra WH657 - is leaving a barely perceptable trail of BW simulants (killed Klebsiella aerogenes and live spores of Bacillus globigii).

As you can see - no 'chemtrails'.

Just a tiny little wisp of material which would have been invisible to viewers on the ground.




zero lift

Alas.
Another Dog.... And a stupid one at that:



And here is what I'm talking about:



Obviously two entirely different things....

Ah well....

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