Huge Chemtrail Spraying Operation Going On Now. 10-18-07

I'm in Southwest Va. I am about an hour away from the Bristol race track for all of you nascar fans, gives you an idea of the area. I live near a town called Saltville. Today I went outside and the sky looked like there had been a thousand planes flying over in a hundred different directions, the lines crossed over themselves so many times.

We have not had rain in weeks and are in a drought, from looking at the maps on droughts I think we are in the area of extreme drought, it is hard to tell from the map since it does not show anything, but an outline of the state.

I must live along one of the major flight routes one day I sit outside and in one hour counted 12 jets go over, I have been worried about all of those exhausts from the planes spraying down for some time now. If I remember correctly one of those things in jet fuel is sulferic acid, so this can't be good to be getting this stuff sprayed on you constantly.

Have there been any studies done on the effects of someone exposed to just plain old jet exhaust on a constant basis. If there have been, I doubt the gov. would release them, but if anyone knows of any I would appreciate you posting a link.

I don't exactly know what causes the chemrails I have not read enough nor know enough about cloud formations or weather affecting cloud formation, but I do know the US government has a documented history of experimenting on its own citizens and military. So it would not surprise me to find out that the planes are spraying out stuff in the air other than just jet fuel exhaust. If you are unaware of the years of government experimenting on its own citizens, go here and be prepared to get worried.

www.apfn.org...

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
Thinking it was an old airliner with bad engines spewing too much exhaust.

As you say you’re a pilot, you should realize that contrails are not exhaust, but rather condensation caused by the heat of the engine running in cold air.

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
After a short time I noticed a large 4-engine white jet spewing a thicker cloud as it flew across the sky. Right before my very eyes I saw a normal commercial airliner flying and leaving its contrail next to this obvious military aircraft spraying something.

And what about it made it obviously a military aircraft?
There are lots of 4 engine civilian aircraft which still fly to this day. Most of your 4 engine aircraft are older 707’s, DC-8’s, or 747’s. All three of those aircraft are commonly used to fly airfreight. Airfreight is allowed to fly at higher altitude then commercial flights and have a have a better chance of leaving contrails due to that additional altitude.

Additionally, as a pilot you should know that you cannot judge altitude from the ground. There may have been several thousand feet of separation between these aircrafts altitudes and thus they would be flying in different weather conditions.

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
At first I too was skeptical. Thinking it was an old airliner with bad engines spewing too much exhaust. But within about ten minutes the cloud which had originated from the 4-engine white aircraft had expanded to more than 50 times its original size! All other contrails had long since disappeared.

Again you should know the variation in temperature associated with change in altitude.

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
To further prove to myself that I was seeing an experiment in action... I saw the same aircraft (4-engine solid white airliner) flying parallel to the chemtrail from before, but moved over about 5 or ten miles. Like he was mowing the lawn in the sky.

And how do you know that this was not other similar looking aircraft traveling down the same VOR?

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
My experience tells me that this was a spraying pattern and not normal air traffic or air routes.

You think that he would have to be in contact with ATC as there was other commercial traffic in the area?
Of course he would.
So would this be a secret, or are all the ATC personnel in on it too?

Originally posted by AllSeeingI
I myself am a pilot.

What are your certs?
Just being curious.

Originally posted by goose
Today I went outside and the sky looked like there had been a thousand planes flying over in a hundred different directions, the lines crossed over themselves so many times.

If you go back to page one, I have a link that will show the current conditions in your area and if they will produce contrails. It looks like there was a nice big red area yesterday over VA, and that has moved out over the ocean now.

Originally posted by goose
If I remember correctly one of those things in jet fuel is sulferic acid, so this can't be good to be getting this stuff sprayed on you constantly.

Jet fuel is a different cut of kerosene, the same thing that is used in diesel fuel, so its not any different then living near an expressway. In fact, the upper level winds will blow that exhaust out away from the area over you, and it will rain down hundreds of miles away. The contrails you see are not so much exhaust as they are water vapor, they have some exhaust in them, but that is not what is visible.

Upon finishing reading the article that I posted a link to I found, something that I feel greatly ties in with this so here is part of the article.

Just a question Defcon5, There are still exhausts coming from those planes. Defcon5 If I am reading you correctly the warm exhaust hitting the cold air is creating the chemtrails, so if something were put in the exhausts, would't that affect the chemtrail? In the past I used to spend a great deal of time sunbathing so I ccould not help but watch the planes fly over and those exhausts or chemtrails would dissipate and disappear quickly, usually within 10 minutes. Now for some reason in the last 15 years or so they linger for hours. Why?

www.apfn.org...
DELIBERATE ATMOSPHERIC RADIATION RELEASES

Nuclear researchers did not limit themselves to small groups of selected guinea pigs or large groups of soldiers under orders. The U.S. government also deliberately released radioactive materials into the atmosphere, endangering military personnel and untold numbers of civilians. Unsurprisingly, the people exposed during these tests were not informed.

In four of these tests at the AEC's facility at Los Alamos, New Mexico, bomb-testers set off conventional explosives to send aloft clouds of radioactive material, including strontium and uranium. When the AEC tracked the clouds across northern New Mexico, it detected some radioactivity 70 miles away. According to a Los Alamos press officer, there may have been as many as 250 other such tests during the same period.25

Nor was this intentional release the largest. During the December 1949 Green Run test at the Hanford (Washington) Nuclear Reservation, the AEC loosed thousands of curies of radioactive iodine-131 several times the amount released from the 1979 Three Mile Island disaster into the atmosphere simply to test its recently installed radiological monitoring equipment. Passing over Spokane and reaching as far as the California-Oregon border, Green Run irradiated thousands of downwinders, as civilians exposed to the effects of airborne radiation tests are known, and contaminated an enormous swath of cattle grazing and dairy land. *26 A team of epidemiologists is now looking into an epidemic of late-occurring thyroid tumors and other radiogenic disorders among the downwind residents in eastern Washington state.

Originally posted by goose
Just a question Defcon5, There are still exhausts coming from those planes.

Yes, but you could not see it from the ground. Exhaust is a very faint dark mist that dissipates quickly. For example:

You’re going to see it more from older aircraft as well, the newer ones run much cleaner.

Originally posted by goose
Defcon5 If I am reading you correctly the warm exhaust hitting the cold air is creating the chemtrails

It’s the heat of the engine vs the cold of the air, and the humidity which cause contrails. Contrails are nothing more then a cloud, and the exhaust particles, I suppose, would be in that contrail as well. Chemtrail is just a misnomer for contrail, where they claim its done on purpose to spray chemicals.

Originally posted by goose so if something were put in the exhausts, would't that affect the chemtrail?

So are you asking if the airlines are burning aluminum in their very expensive jet engines?

Kind of makes it a moot point to be filtering the fuel for contaminants all the time if they are. Currently the fuel is filtered and tested at the storage facility, filtered twice on the hydrant pump, filtered in the engine filters, and summped. Why go through all that trouble if you’re just going to run a bunch of crap through the engine anyway?
Lets not even mention that if they changed the fuel mixture it would change the pressure density and specific weight of the fuel, which has not happened either.

Originally posted by goose
usually within 10 minutes. Now for some reason in the last 15 years or so they linger for hours. Why?

Go back to page one and you’ll see pictures dating back to 1944 showing that they could always last long periods. A couple of those pictures are from the first STS missions in the early 80’s, and I have a lot more of them I can put up as well. The reason why you might not have noticed them back then is there was 1) less air traffic, 2) more 727’s, DC-9’s, and 737-100’s flying back then. These aircraft have been retired for the most part and replaced with newer, large turbo-fan , more efficient, engines.

Thanks Defcon5, but of course I was asking about if something was put in the jet fuel maybe that's not the case, you are right it does not make sense to do that.


However, I watched a documentary once where they showed a car with a double exhaust system installed, one of course functioned normally and the second one was installed not to interact act with the motor, when the agent would get to a populated area he would simply push a buton and the sprayer concealed in the trunk would then begin spraying out it's contents through the second exhaust.

If you read the article I posted it is clear the gov. has been doing some testing using the atmosphere as a natural source of transport for it's experiments, so it would only seem sensible to step it up to a more controlled means such as the use of planes.

I have planes going over here about 12 an hour and I am not near an airport, these jets are way up, I'm not sure how many are passenger planes and how many are military, I definitely don't think this would be done with passenger planes, maybe military. It would be very difficult for me to tell which is which as I am not all that familiar with aircraft as many people here seem to be.

BTW does these unusual comtrail foretell rain? Everyone here is praying for some rain. Oh and you are right we had some red skys yesterday evening, very beautiful.



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[edit on 19-10-2007 by goose]

There was a major persistent contrail spraying operation over the UK yesterday - involving virtually every single trans atlantic airliner travelling to or from airports in the UK and much of Europe ......

Or it could just have been the weather

Originally posted by Copernicus

No, I trust what millions of people are saying. I do not think they are stupid or imagining things. If you have millions of people noticing these things over the planet (you have hundreds of chemtrail videos from citizens on youtube), its something to take very seriously.

No-one is imagining anything. We're just explaining what it is that they are seeing. And that the phenomena has been around for decades - and well known and extensively examined by meteorologists for decades. See for example this paper from 1970 - in which what we're now told are chemtrails is described as being a 'familiar sight'.

There are concerns now about the impact on climate change - but the chemtrail disinformations would rather you didn't know that.

www.imperial.ac.uk...


[edit on 19-10-2007 by Essan]

I still dont understand this chemtrail business.
Everytime I look out my window I see what people are calling chemtrails.
All I see is what ive seen since memory allows me in our skies.

How can I tell the difference between what is a natural contrail from an aeroplane to these chemicals sprayed through the sky.
Its a bit pointless saying how long they are, how large they grow or how long they last as it is natural for contrails to vary dependent on weather conditions, altitude and general visibility.

Some sure fire accurate detail would help here.

Originally posted by eagle32
How can I tell the difference between what is a natural contrail from an aeroplane to these chemicals sprayed through the sky.

Apparently, they are the ones that occupy 100% of the sky except in areas where aviation and meteorological personnel are. The solution to this problem seems simple enough, if you’re afraid of chemtrails move next door to someone who works in one of those two professions.


[edit on 10/19/2007 by defcon5]

but all the sky is used by aeroplanes, every where has flight paths running through it.
Unless I can move to New Zealand on £0 I guess im stuck breathing in these chemicals....if they are real or indeed what people say they are.

Originally posted by eagle32
I still dont understand this chemtrail business.
Everytime I look out my window I see what people are calling chemtrails.
All I see is what ive seen since memory allows me in our skies.

How can I tell the difference between what is a natural contrail from an aeroplane to these chemicals sprayed through the sky.
Its a bit pointless saying how long they are, how large they grow or how long they last as it is natural for contrails to vary dependent on weather conditions, altitude and general visibility.

Some sure fire accurate detail would help here.

I have asked that here a zillion times, as I live on a military base and see these trails every day. The normal contrails coming from these jets are NO different then the "supposive chemtrails". There is absolutely no difference in the way they look. And these are the same trails I remember seeing as a kid back in the 70s. And we get on average way below zero here. You wouldnt believe how long they linger. LOL

I've been reading these posts about Chem Trails for sometime now and for the last six months I've been watching the skys over Oklahoma City. I'm convinced something is going on besides contrails. They braizenly string as many as six or seven in a group and then criss cross them. And most days I see the normal contrails appear and fade away in as little as 2 or 3 minutes--while the chemtrails last until they turn into thin clouds and lose their lineage.

Whatever it is--it's not going to stop. It's time for the two party system to disappear like the contrails, and time for us to push for a third party unencumbered with the strange loyalties to black projects and corporate facism.

I've seen some posts here that appear to be 'scientific' but when read closely are nothing more than the writer's opinion.
I, for one see no actual chemical analysis being offered here. Just opinions sprinkled liberally with sarcasm, and name calling. The old standby of the 'debunker'.
It never has been nor will ever be convincing. What is far more convincing is actual chemical analysis of this stuff.

See the chemical breakdown, and conclusions on this page:

www.carnicom.com...

The unusual presence of the element barium in the atmosphere now appears to have been affirmed through the methods of spectroscopy. Spectroscopy is "the study of the absorption and emission of light and other radiation by matter, as related to the dependence of these processes on the wavelength of the radiation" (Enc. Brittanica). The results of the current research are now sufficient to establish an analytical basis for the formal investigation of radical atmospheric changes induced by relatively recent aircraft aerosol operations. This work further confirms the recent findings that have substantiated the unusual presence of an alkaline salt form in the atmosphere, as revealed through recent pH tests conducted across the country. Barium compounds, especially those of a soluble nature, are regarded as a serious health risk, and they are commonly associated with respiratory distress.

Obviously this guy (Carnicom) has spent quite a bit of time studying this as opposed to opining, slinging mud, and condescension. If you want to learn as I do about what you are seeing with your own eyes, and breathing, then do a little research on the subject. Debating debunkers will not net you any real info.

Some posters here say that they are nothing more than contrails.
A dead giveaway for me, is when they start laying down patterns. I never, ever have witnessed normal air traffic flying patterns. Just normal routes.

These pilots start at one end of the sky, and offset the previous route flown by several degrees so as to cover more area. Each successive jet moves over several more degrees until the whole sky is covered.
These are not normal air traffic or flight patterns.

Another typical spray pattern I see frequently:



Here is an interesting photo, and of a type that I see much of time.
If this is a 'contrail' then this guy's engine stopped, then magically restarted again, yet the aircraft did not lose altitude.



More likely, the pilot had to switch spray tanks.

I find all this facinating, and infuriating, if true.
Something is going on.

i am asking this genuinely so dont regard it as sarcasm...

if they are contrails from water vapor, why when i clicked several of the links did the jets produce the streams not only from their engines but from the entire posterior/wingspan of the plane?

thanks.

I'm not for or against in this argument, but I'd just like to say...

Our leaders breathe the same air we do

Ok.
I may be starting to become convinced here.

What are we looking at here folks?




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What the hell is this for ?





More pics:

www.carnicom.com...


[edit on 19-10-2007 by Alexander the o.k.]

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
I'm not for or against in this argument, but I'd just like to say...

Our leaders breathe the same air we do

And so do the military members who supposevely put these chemicals on the jet to kill themselves, their familes and the pilots who fly said jets. Pretty soon, we will have no military at all, because they all would have killed themselves. LOL

reply to post by greeneyedleo


Yeah, I mean, is it possible? Sure, I guess anything is.

For you chemtrail people, how many people have died from unknown chemicals in the air? Do any of you have those statistics?

By all means, research anything you want. But I think you people are reaching for the unknown. That's what some conspiracy theorists tend to do. They go for the most mysterious, or the highest up conspiracy theory.

You have to limit yourself to logic.

You want to look for conspiracies in regards to poisoning? Look no further than the water you drink and the toothpaste you use.

If you want to look for air poisoning, look no further than Los Angeles.

It doesn't take some mysterious exhaust from an aircraft to damn society to eternal suffering. There are already hazardous chemicals in the air from factories. There are already hazardous chemicals in our water supply. There may even be hazardous chemicals in our food.

You're being killed from every other direction, and you're ignoring it to pursue a theory that may be the most harmless of them all.





[edit on 10/19/07 by NovusOrdoMundi]

The basis of believing that these chemtrails are harmful is the only angle where the involved leaders and military would be negatively affected. Unless of course certain people were offered some type of vaccine or other agent to counter the "chemtrail"

Lets take the approach that they are for good, mass vaccination or an attempt to curb global warming, then there is no sinister effect that people in power would need protection from.

I personally believe there is enough evidence to support the fact that all of what we see is not simple contrails.