What if we are the only ones ??

Here's why I (and others) believe the god and angels of the Bible are aliens:
1. Most encounters with God involve fire and/or smoke or bright lights plus loud noises (craft with rocket boosters).

2. The "voice of god" being loud and compared to a trumpet (loudspeakers).

3. God warning people not to come to close (to his craft) or the exhaust will kill them. Some in the Bible did get too close and did die.

4. The atrocities. A benevolent loving god being a destructive, jealous, murderous god? No. An advanced (and/or alien) race pretending to be god being murderous, jealous and destructive? Yes. Compare European explorers visits to the Americas and other places.

5. Laser- and nuclear weapons: angels blinding men with their weapons, Soddom and Gomorrah. Everything destroyed including plant life (nuclear explosion).

6. High technology: the ark of the covenant, red sea, burning bush (probably just an electric light).

7. The "sons of god came in unto the daughters of men whose children became men of renown" etc. Aliens interbreeding with humans producing advanced humans.

8. War in heaven, Satan. Heaven and Hell are planets or countries on their homeplanet. Satan is an opposition King/leader/spaceship captain.

9. Jacob's ladder going up to "heaven" with angels going up and down. A "ladder" going up to the door of the craft with occupants entering/leaving it. Also,

EXODUS 24
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.


The whole Bible is facts/history intermixed with myth as all of it was handed down by word of mouth and obviously embellished before any of it was written down. There is "evidence" in the Bible of people knowing about the universe, planets, stars, etc (people educated by aliens) and also of uneducated views (earth is flat, centre of univers, stars are dots in the sky, etc).

reply to post by grover


Fella , u aint wrong , no truer word spoken ....

Respect!

Git

reply to post by Lannock


OK. were listening ... well i am .. biblical scripture can make a good point as we can apply what we know today to it .. but , the bible is just a book really . isnt it .. people can quote it till they are blue in the face but there is nothing at all to back it up.

I think what is needed today is pure hard evidence . were too sceptical of anything , and wont believe it till weve seen it with our own eyes.

You just have to look on this site , thread after thread saying its a flying saucer or theyve dreamt something but in the end where are we??? no where nearer to finding out the truth and i dont think it will be believed till a craft lands on the whitehouse lawn or parliament square with the lil green men jump out saying were here!! chances of that are?

rgds
Git

I do have a shred of evidence that we are not alone.... check my thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

reply to post by Osiris1953


We need to see the evidence of your video .. it is not just me but its the way it works .. nice post tho , i enjoyed the read !

regards
git

First, I am not entirely convinced we are the most intelligent species on the planet. Second, I believe Carl Sagan stated the probality of intelligent life in the universe was a given due to the vast number of planets with the same make up as ours. Third, I do not believe a deity or alien race will save us.

Are they here? Why not? Do you try to communicate or attack a bug that's leaving you alone? If we aren't as advanced, we might not have nothing they want making us monkies at the zoo.

Are we doomed? Well, I read today we just recently rediscovered an asteroid that we found in the sixties and planned on watching due to the fact it could be a threat to us. When you misplace a threat for fifty years that you know about, it doesn't give me warm and fuzzy feelings about our ability to keep track of threats in space.

As for how we would act when meeting an alien race, the divisions of the human race would each try to exploit it for their own benefit. We have yet to learn from the mistakes of the past. We are entering another space race instead of working together and pulling our resources. We can easily be conquered with shiny things.

Originally posted by danteinhickville
Are we doomed? Well, I read today we just recently rediscovered an asteroid that we found in the sixties and planned on watching due to the fact it could be a threat to us. When you misplace a threat for fifty years that you know about, it doesn't give me warm and fuzzy feelings about our ability to keep track of threats in space.

Don't worry about that. With our modern technology we can stop that. Funny how we can't stop natural disasters, but stop a asteroid. For more information about his click here. Sorry can't give direct link, internet not working properly...

Give me a break...
I've seen enough time travelers, alien looking things, and crazy stuff to just completely laugh at someone that would propose the possibility that they're alone in the universe...
I mean, posting otherwise on ATS might possibly get you banned and your topic tossed in the trash bin... but, with anomalies (for lack of a better term) all over the place (in cars, on foot, in crazy numbers), I don't understand why someone would suggest that they are alone in the universe. Maybe they've already stared into your eyes and hypnotized you? Or just completely skipped the hypnosis and put the 'psychic' on you and tossed in the alien mind control?

reply to post by MegaCurious


I strongly suggest u read the question again!!!
and take time to actually read the thread through!

Alot of people have added to the question that you quite plainly cannot understand? (you have proved that with your childish comments)..

As in all threads here on ATS if you cannot put anything into a thread do not bother ...



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Not sure if its relevant here but its pretty interesting

we are all made of stars

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Nice piece of info there, anything is relevant apart from childish claims and drivel

reply to post by completenuttergit


I think this is a very reasonbale question to ask, although it perhaps needs to be bounded. The only ones in the entire universe, or the only ones within the local group of galaxies? The only ones ever?

As unlikely as this strikes me, there is no overwhelming evidence to the contrary. With regard to life in the Universe, we stand on the shore of Newton's vast sea, and can not yet see out far or in deep.

The Earth Alone is one solution to the Fermi paradox, and I think it needs to be taken seriously, even though I don't want it to be true. It would place on us an enormous responsibility.

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Hi , What i am asking and i see you understand, is that , were so sure were going to be saved by some superior interlect or deity, what if , and its a BIG WHAT IF , we "were" to be the only ones ? So far out on the arm of the galaxy ?? Isolated? a possibility! ..

It would be a great shame but as yet there IS no hard proof ,its all just claims . Also too many hoaxes ..

Regards

Git

Thats "WAS" one BIG avatar !

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Originally posted by danteinhickville
I believe Carl Sagan stated the probality of intelligent life in the universe was a given due to the vast number of planets with the same make up as ours.

I might be behind on that kind of info, but last time I heard the only planets which could be detected were gas giants like Jupiter, so I would like to hear where you got this info from.

Dang 'Old Man', first post, You are one very wise man. I know it's a one liner but that's all I can say.

Yes it would Grover, and the nuclear clock is inching its way to midnight ever so closely. This displeases me. And a whole lotta other people.
Stupid blackwater, Opec type corporations who have no value for life.

So let me get this right..

"God" created a massive "place" for a few "people" crawling around on one tiny planet in one tiny star system in one ordinary galaxy in one possible universe? And the lesson is to teach them... hmm... "love?"

Is this really what you think? Slam the book shut and case closed right!

All of this real estate of "reality" and it's all for us. God knows us all by name and sits on his thrown, stroking his long white beard, just waiting for us to become morally enlightened so we can join him.

Sounds very hmm.. comforting to me. It also sounds a bit egotistical. It sounds like people are having trouble reconciling the immense nature of reality so they think the most comforthing thing. Have it revolve around me me me!

Yet some logic sets in as they look around and notice the other 7 billion of us. So they accept that we are all in the same predicament and therefore it's not just about them, but about us.

Remember God is just waiting in an eternal paradise for you to morally reform yourself and you can join him watching paint dry!

As for the OP's topic..

I think it is highly unlikely that we are "the only ones." Check the data. The fact that we haven't detected radio signals or seen the president shake hands with a little green man doesn't mean anything but:

1) We haven't detected ET radiowaves.

2) The president has not shaken hands with a small green man.

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Let's look at the data:

1) We have just come into an age of new technology and enlightenment within the last several decades.

So what about Seth Shostak and the SETI clan? Well lucky for them, MS co-founder Paul Allen is paying for 1/2 the price tag for a new telescope devoted full time to ET searching.

The first mission for the Allen Telescope Array will be to scan several billion stars across a vast swath of our own Milky Way galaxy, said astronomer Seth Shostak, of the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif. That broad-brush survey will be followed in the coming years by detailed examinations of a million stars — a quantum leap in coverage of celestial real estate. In the 45 years since scientists first started looking for signals from alien worlds, only about 750 stars have gotten such close scrutiny.

Source

In other words, while I highly respect their endeavors, they are openly telling us that they have barely scratched the surface as far as one possible avenue (in locating intelligent life) is concerned.

Considering how immense cosmic timescales are, I feel that finding others like us is very unlikely. ET would (from an evolution standpoint) mostly likely be far ahead of us or far behind us. Or perhaps just much different than us as others have suggested.

2) If your opinion is neutral on UFOs and you watch a couple television shows on the history channel, your opinion is unlikely to shift. They are often interesting but have a predermined goal in mind. The goal being to perpetuate the mystery. Mysteries are one of the greatest gifts in life and I don't blame them for using this particular mystery for ratings. Still, let's take a closer look..

I.E.> Remember the Peter Jennings UFO special "Seeing Is Believing?" A lot of good information was given including Project Blue Book, J. Allen Hynek's work, compitent accounts of sightings & abductions etc. So far so good right? Not entirely.

When they got into the abduction part of the program they eliminated all the material from the foremost abduction researcher Dr. David M. Jacobs. In fact Dr. Jacobs is the only person who teachers the only university level course on UFOs in the US of A. So why ignore his work? Instead they brought in other high profile psychologists who refuted abductions as imaginative people with false memories or people who experience sleep paralysis. Dr. Jacobs has data that would refute the sleep paralysis explanation and has studied the phenomenon longer than these other psychologists and researchers. Yet none of his material ended up in the final production. Why?

The answer to the why is simply because (as previously stated) they aren't trying to solve the UFO problem. They are trying to get ratings. The content isn't as important as the ratings. So you see where I am going with this?

My opinion is that a certain number of UFO sightings are of ET origin. Can I give you coordinates of where the cloaked ship is in our upper atmosphere? No. Can I introduce you to my "space friend?" No. That is exactly the point. If ET's are just mold growing under some rock on a distant sphere then how would looking for radiowaves help?

Likewise, if UFOs are real and represent the upperlimits of what can be acheived in this physical reality then how do we study them? Would be akin to someone from the dark ages trying to study a plasma tv.

I believe in mankind. I've seen the brilliance that we are capable of. But theres little hope of anyone from the dark ages figuring out a plasma tv. And there's even less hope when the majority of the population is more interested in their individual everyday life then figuring out the mysteries of the plasma tv. Our culture is one of individual competing egos trying to survive. Our culture is one where people with money survive and garner individual respect from others. Our culture is not centered around discovering UFOs, dark matter, or anything else of that nature. Sure some people make a living out of it. But go down to an average busy city block and ask people on the street who Hugh Hefner is. I bet everyone knows. Then ask them who J. Allen Hynek is. I bet very few if any will know. That is the difference.

I can assure you, any intelligence operating those saucers isn't like us. They are unified in whatever their agenda is. We are not.

reply to post by Scramjet76


That my friend is , probably one of the best posts i have read on this site! I so wish i could give it more stars!!!

You have in that single post , spelled out where im coming from, the human is too interested in me me me and cannot see beyond the end of his/her nose to notice the bigger picture!

When people say they have seen things there never seems to be any evidence or if there is , it seems to easy too debunk, are these people all dreamers? wishful thinkers ? Do they find it hard to get a grip of the reality of that we may just be alone ...

I know there are Billions of stars and Trillions upon Trillions of planets out there, But , weve been listening (apparantly) but no ones shouting!!

Very nice post Scramjet ! wish some others were more open minded and informative and not locked away in there own little fantasy world ..

Many regards

Git

Most of our day-to-day concerns are focused only on our immediate relationships. Our friends and family, the people we see every day at work. But even among them, we are ultimately alone in this existence. We are all individually alone in our minds and in our unique point of view. We are "the only ones."

Finding aliens on some other planet isn't going to change that. There are billions of other people on the Earth who we ignore every day who have fascinating ideas and interesting cultures. They just don't have anything to do with us, and vice versa. More billions of aliens on different planets are likely just going to be more beings to ignore.

The search for others will continue. If we don't find them soon, we'll keep looking. If we find other beings soon, we'll go looking for more of them. The more we find, the more we'll ignore. Because ultimately, we'll always be alone in our lives and deaths.

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Which is easier:

1.) Proving we are the only ones?
2.) Proving we are not?