Student Arrested, Tasered at Kerry Event

reply to post by geemony

The only authority is yourself, Unless you commit a crime, what crime did this young man commit?

Originally posted by neformore
Because for someone who wasn't supposed to be on the mic, he seemed to have an awfully long time to say what he had to say before the microphone got cut off.

You're correct, he was allowed to speak, but went over his time limit...

Videos of the incident posted on several Web sites show officers pulling Andrew Meyer, 21, away from the microphone after he asks Kerry about impeaching President Bush and whether he and Bush were both members of the secret society Skull and Bones at Yale University.

"He apparently asked several questions -- he went on for quite awhile -- then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset."
www.cnn.com...

Originally posted by esdad71

From the 1st Amendment, Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. He was not censored.

Not entirely Free speech is the ability not only to speak freely without censorship, but also the ability to do so with out arrest and or persecution.

Originally posted by esdad71
Point is that after further research, it seems that this kid was already instructed not to approach the mike and he was not allowed to ask a question because he did not go through the proper channels to be in the forum.

i would like a source, link, name, or something of who/what/where you are getting that?
not saying it is not true, just want to know for sure...

seems to me, if he was never supposed to be on the mic, then they would have puled this ruse on him as soon as he approached....
either way, he was on teh mic for a bit, AND you have as was mentioned, US SENATOR up on the stand telling the fuzz, "no, it's ok".....

i think if kerry himself was not scared of his 'manic', 'extremely violent' behavior from 100 feet away then the fuzz should have been fine.....

a simple "come with me" from the cops might have done wonders eh?


sometimes, people just don't like to be grabbed and drug off without being told why....know what i mean?

i know it is not the best thing to do but i would have done the same thing, trying NOT to get drug away. not yet knowing why, hoping someone will tell me or try to stop it....

pretty simple really.

he was not throwing hooks and jabs...he had his friggin hands all the way in the air.....but that was 'extremely violent' eh?

reply to post by C0le


pretty clear imo from this thread that there are many here that do not value that ability and will roll right over to hand it to em too.

sad really


'remember, there is a big diference between kneeling down and bending over'...*FZ

reply to post by Iblis


It was a question and answer forum. Question and answer.
Did you not catch that part?

Originally posted by C0le
The only authority is yourself, Unless you commit a crime, what crime did this young man commit?

And you really believe this im sure. I would say its more like YOU have the choice to comply with the authorities or YOU choose not to comply with the authorities and then see what you get. With every organized event there are authorities running the show. The guy chose to disobey the authorities and he got zapped.

To say that the only authority is yourself is so not correct its amazing people with this mentality get by in this world. Check out my signature thats the only control you will ever have as far as yourself goes.

No authority = Anarchy

The US was created under the rule of law my friend, if you dont want your society to be governed in that manner then anarchy would prob suit you best.
Oh and the crime this guy commited was not complying with the demand to not preach and simply ask a question, he did not comply and he got volted. Then he broke the law by not leaving peacefully.

reply to post by geemony

Yes you are correct authority does exist as I stated if you commit crime
Anarchy is lawlessness the law is to protect the people from crime.

Government was instituted to protect the people from crime but more importantly protect the peoples rights...

Demands coming from an officer aren't lawful unless they are law, speaking your mind isn't a crime, orders to stop speaking your mind are unlawful.

No laws broken = No crime = No anarchy.


The Founders clearly stated many times, Government was created to protect the rights of man from, Man, Majority and Government.
You are your own authority until you commit the crime of violating another mans rights.




[edit on 18-9-2007 by C0le]

Originally posted by Boondock78
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pretty clear imo from this thread that there are many here that do not value that ability and will roll right over to hand it to em too.

sad really


'remember, there is a big diference between kneeling down and bending over'...*FZ

Well ill tell you Boon the day they come to my world and stop me from living freely, ill fight for freedom. But I have all my rights and I don’t see them taking any right away from me personally. And until they take my personal rights away I couldn’t care less how many uppity school kids have to get tazed to teach them that there are rules of conduct in society. If you feel better labeling me a sheeple and a pro government person then so be it. I can live with that LOL and ill still love this country and ill still be successful and ill still fight for my rights if and when they really do take them away.

ap.google.com...

A university student with a history of taping his own practical jokes was Tasered by campus police and arrested after loudly and repeatedly trying to ask U.S. Senator John Kerry questions during a campus forum.

Andrew Meyer, 21, spent a night in jail before his release Tuesday morning. His attorney, Robert Griscti, did not return messages seeking comment.

Videos of the Monday night incident, posted on several Web sites and played repeatedly on television news, show officers pulling Meyer away from the microphone after he asks Kerry about impeaching President Bush and whether he and Bush were both members of the secret society Skull and Bones at Yale University.

"He apparently asked several questions — he went on for quite awhile — then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset."

He was a jokester. A few of my sisters friends still go to UF and I emailed them.

insideuf.ufl.edu...

insideuf.ufl.edu...

It was a moderated discussion and you needed a ticket to initially get in, and then there were open seats. Still an idiot.



[edit on 18-9-2007 by esdad71]

Originally posted by C0le
[You are your own authority until you commit the crime of violating another mans rights.




[edit on 18-9-2007 by C0le]

100% agree.
absolutely correct, imo

Originally posted by scientist
am I the only one noticing that all mentions of this story anywhere only cite a question about votes? even kerry's answer was geared towards the voting fraud.

It's quite obvious he was arrested for asking about Skull and Bones, not voting (although they are related).

The very fact that everyone is avoiding the phrase "Skull and Bones" like a plague is deafening.

i noticed. it was about skull and bones, not voter fraud, although at a certain point, the police recognise the pattern of a person's awareness and andamancy of the larger truth, and then, that person is seen as an enemy of the police state.
frankly, i think it didn't matter what he said once he was seen as too educational.

Originally posted by esdad71
He was a jokester. A few of my sisters friends still go to UF and I emailed them.



[edit on 18-9-2007 by esdad71]

stuents damand charges dropped.
demaned charges be directed at the cops
demand tazers be banned from the school..

they are saying it is sad that law enforcement will be investigating themselves, behind the blue curtain....

they are appealing to every org that can help so the cops don't investigate themselves....

they talk of the event as oppression and aggression with the cops assaulting the kid......

watced the bit as i posted this.....

just sayin..

he was a jokester....ok...100% of the time, all the time, every time right...

Originally posted by Boondock78

Originally posted by C0le
[You are your own authority until you commit the crime of violating another mans rights.

100% agree.
absolutely correct, imo

it's called sovereign rights, and is the basis of magna carta law.

a link to wiki....magna carta

It explicitly protected certain rights of the king's subjects, whether free or fettered — most notably the right of Habeas Corpus, meaning that they had rights against unlawful imprisonment.

[edit on 18-9-2007 by billybob]

reply to post by billybob


mind dumbing it down for me?
thanks

reply to post by Boondock78


sure....

You are your own authority until you commit the crime of violating another mans rights.

reply to post by esdad71

He was a jokester. A few of my sisters friends still go to UF and I emailed them.

Seriously?
Is that why some were laughing and others seemed to be indifferent?




[edit on 18-9-2007 by Stormdancer777]

This was the first news story I saw while flipping through the news channels this morning. My first thought was; I'll bet this is the top thread on ATS.

On FOX News they were saying the officers might be in trouble over the way they handled this. I did not get to see the event until I got to work and watched it on this thread. The impression I got from FOX is that the Officers screwed up. I don't totally agree.

Both sides screwed up. The kid failed to follow the rules of the Q & A. One of the articles mentioned this kid was known for taping his pranks around the school and posting them. Is it in any way possible this was his plan all along? To cause a scene and get a tape of himself being arrested. Probably. With role models like Alex Jones who do this for a living it is hardly surprising. The kid was wrong for trying to take over the forum and ruin the event just so he could get attention. He did not do this because he cared about the questions. He just wanted attention.

The Officers screwed up also. They did a terrible job of dealing with this kid. It could clearly have been handled much better. I'd have to question their training and their Administration. These Officers need more time in Cop School before being let out on the streets. I know here where I live they have a terrible shortage of Officers and it is getting worse. I think a big part of the problem is this is Nationwide. Nobody wants the responsibility any more. The people who do apply are the Bullies and Thugs and those who would make good Cops don't apply. To be a Good Cop you would have to be a person who would hate the job. If you love being a Cop you are probably part of the problem.

I noted some of you advocate violence. Think for a moment about that. You say it was wrong that the Cops were violent and your solution is violence????????????? Completely backward logic. Utter nonsense. You scare me as much as the out of control Cops do. You are in fact the same people only without a badge.

Kerry is not a person I would vote for but my opinion of him went up a bit. He was trying to calm the situation which is more than anyone else was doing.

If this were a sporting event I'd call it a tie. Cops zero - Kid zero. No winners in this event.

Right, I hear some people in here saying the cops had the right to shut this man down... HE was not breaking any laws!!!
Just becasue he was loud, didnt give those cops the right to do what they did!!!

Poor police work!!! And Kerry is just another tool..
Those people who clapped as they rode him out on a rail should be ashamed.. Yet they only saw a man, who freaked out!! and was handled "properly"

I hope none of you who back them up ever have something to say with passion and heart.. Or you will be the next in line to get rode out on a rail!!

This makes me angry.. And hurt at the same time..
Sure both sides are to blame, yet honestly, it didnt give them the right to use such force!! And I like to ASK... WHAT law did he break???

after reading a lot of this thread and watching this for a day ..

imho the man did abuse his right to free speech .. but only ever so slightly..

i am much more concerned with the amount of force used while 19 police officers were around this guy and at least 6 of them were sitting on him .. was the tazer really needed? i think not

my 0.2