Student Arrested, Tasered at Kerry Event

reply to post by Dr Love


Ok ill bite that they shouldnt have needed the tazer, but come on the cops love to use the tazer these days and people should damn well know it.

PS: beats a +p+ hollow point anyday right?



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[edit on 18-9-2007 by geemony]

There is a facebook group created, and so far 400 people have joined and 3,500 are "maybe" showing up, to the protest at the Plaza De Americas on Campus today.

www.theandrewmeyer.com...

I am going to go down around 1230 to see what's up. I can't imagine if it actually turned into a big deal and riot control became involved... that'd be nuts.

After watching the video, i have to agree with some that the student got carried away and should have left when he was asked to.

What i missed, and i dont know if it was shown is, was Kerry avoiding any answers? Did Kerry refuse to answer his questions (which btw, i think were very good questions) and ignore him? Was he thinking it out before responding?
Was Kerry just being an a!@#$ and setting him up for a scene?

I would have LIKED to have Kerry answer the question of why WHY did he not fight for the presidency and just give it up to the fellow BONESMAN???

Of course, i know why, because he's a spineless jellyfish...but that aside, why was he NOT answering the questions??? I beleive this is what set the kid off in the first place. He should have known better and controlled himself but he didnt.

Originally posted by Leyla
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So an American Intitution that is being funded by the European Union is ok with you?

I rather have them be funded by the Swiss.

Then say hello the the NWO.


You don't get it so I won't bother explaining it to you.

Well for one the university is not being funded by the EU only a very small center is whihc will teach EU economics and history. Try reading the article again and understand what is being written instead of just reading the headline and picking what suits you. ill quote from your article again

The grant will provide the university with approximately $205,000 over three years and present the possibility of future grants and center renewals.

SO really its you who doesnt get it Leyla thats obvious, so i wont try and explain it to you casue you are way off the mark on this one.

Have a nice day !!!

From What I Could Tell...

1. Yes, the guy got carried away and didn't need to launch into street theater when the cops surrounded him.

2. However, it doesn't seem to me like there was a need to surround him, and I think the security detail was a bit more zealous than seemed warranted. Did I miss a threat cue?

3. Whenever you're in a situation like this, it's generally wise to cooperate as best you can and avoid being confrontational, because that's what lawyers are for.

4. Senator Kerry seemed to be trying to make the best of the situation in his own dolorous way. Though I'm not particularly a Kerry fan, I really don't think he can be reasonably assigned any blame in this matter.

I personally think it was entirely possible to grill Senator Kerry without being spastic about it. Just ask the questions and respectfully wait for a reply without squirming around unnecessarily.

It's not rocket science.

Originally posted by scientist

Originally posted by October
I highly recommend people watch the Raw footage AFTER he is tasered and you will see that he is lapping up the camera, making sure there is someone there so he can keep shouting. Do you actually believe him when he says he is afraid to give his name to the officers because he thinks they might kill him??? What a show.

because the "normal" thing to do when being assaulted and tasered is to be silent, and not make a commotion? please.

He wouldn't have been tasered and assaulted if he had just calmed himself and left the room like any other normal person. Listen, the overall desired effect has been accomplished anyway. The guy wanted to make a scene to get his point of view out by shouting and kicking, he knew the cameras were on him. Now there is going to be a protest and it's all over the news. I hardly think he will be distraught after this, he will be all over the media goofing into the cameras and blurting out injustice in interviews etc etc. He did this for EFFECT. And it worked.

EDIT: As if by magic he has his own website now.

[edit on 18/9/07 by October]

Originally posted by Majic
2. However, it doesn't seem to me like there was a need to surround him, and I think the security detail was a bit more zealous than seemed warranted. Did I miss a threat cue?

I personally think it was entirely possible to grill Senator Kerry without being spastic about it. Just ask the questions and respectfully wait for a reply without squirming around unnecessarily.

No offense, but don't these two statements almost contradict themselves? I understand that he got a little heated. It was still not a reason to manhandle him when he was not threatening anyone.

thats just wrong its an injustice it just shows what theyre willing to do supress the truths they hide

To me it ultimately boils down to did he do "the cause" a justice or injustice? I think he did an injustice. There are a hell of a lot more important questions to be asked of our leaders than that.

It's very possible this twit could be working for the other side. He was the guy walking around with a billboard saying "Harry Dies" before the last Harry Potter book came out. Doesn't that kind of remind you of the Lee Harvey Oswald setup? Yeah, I know it's a stretch but it's the same basic principle of creating a history for the purpose of future discrediting and/or conviction in the eyes of the public.

Peace

[edit on 18-9-2007 by Dr Love]

A Contradiction In Terms

Originally posted by Griff
No offense, but don't these two statements almost contradict themselves? I understand that he got a little heated. It was still not a reason to manhandle him when he was not threatening anyone.

I guess my comments reflect my mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, yes, you'd better believe I'm concerned about the ability of citizens to challenge politicians, especially in situations like these.

On the other hand, I must concede that the people responsible for maintaining security at these affairs have a difficult and important job to do, and whenever they perceive a threat to their charge, however slight, they are wise to act prudently.

Here it's hard for me to say either the student or security is at fault -- although I still wish to point out that it's generally best to cooperate when a half-dozen cops have you surrounded and are barking orders.

Is this a sign of the times? Well, I suppose yes and no. There have been worse times in the history of the world.

I guess my ultimate opinion is that it's just unfortunate that it came to this at all.

Originally posted by Dr Love
Yeah, I know it's a stretch but it's the same basic principle of creating a history for the purpose of future discrediting and/or conviction in the eyes of the public.

I've actually thought the same myself. A set up that went too far.

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The more I let the story sink in and get over my gut reaction, I'm starting to think along the same lines as you. Torn on who was at fault.

Although tasering should always be a last resort and not a "I'm gonna teach you a leason when you are already subdoed by 6 officers" resort.

I'll definately stand by that.

This is absolute Crap!

Welcome to the US of A. Where everyone is a damn Terrorist, There is no Free speech and the bullies and jerks of your HS years are now Cops...

Kerry.. He's the one who should have gotten Tazz'd.. as they call it and laugh.. The Media.. Same there as well.

Don't ask Questions.. Thats what all of the sheeple saw here.. Go with the flow, you don't get hurt... This man did not act Violently, This man did not Threaten anyone.. This man kept his hands free and clear while they moved in on him. How man Pigs/Cops with no backbone and unable to think for themselves does it take to hold a guy down and Tazz him?

Kerry, the people in the room, the police, and the news personal are a disgrace and am embarassed to even claim to be of the same species.

WAKE UP PEOPLE>>>> YOU HAVE A BRAIN, USE IT!!

[edit on 18-9-2007 by Lunchman]

And you wonder why people hate cops.If you can't subdue 1 man with all those cops by physical means alone then you shouldn't be a cop.As far as I'm concerned the only people who need cops are the weak and useless.

Although I think the Cops went overboard,

hmmmmm,

This might have certainly been a attention getting act.

Look, he has his question all over the media.

Originally posted by MasterRegal
WRONG! He was tasered because he was violently resisting the officers. They even warned him and did not comply. Don't spread bull.

Agreed 100%

The man has the right to ask his question, but Kerry also has the right not to answer it.

Getting extremely violent with the police is not a smart idea.

Imo, it was handled perfectly by the police. They tried to take him away quitely,but he became loud and beligerent, then violent. So they tazed him althought a bit painful for a 20 seconds or so, it's a better than being beaten down with clubs till you go down yes?

What scares me is all the people in the audience cheering when the guy got tazed. Man do people love seeing violence.

In conclusion the guy got what he deserved, and it was a clean quick resolution by the police.

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Geemony we are all entitled to our opinions. You have yours and I have mine. And thats ok. But don't tell me I don't get it. I've seen more then you know. I am sorry I did get huffy about this. But this whole Florda-EU deal is wrong. For what the EU stands for I do not support at all. Thats my view.

Both of my parents were teachers. My uncle, my cousin, both of my grandparents were teachers. Education is important without a doubt. But not at the cost of our freedoms.

Sorry guys he was assaulted and arrested for asking a question.

His rights were violated pure and simple. On top of everything else Kerry wanted to answer his questions. Disgusting.

We are being conditioned to believe this is normal. Look at the majority of the audience just sitting watching like it was a TV show. Probably saying to themselves something like...the police are doing their jobs...there must be something wrong with this guy or the police wouldn't treat him this way...or some such nonsense as the guy is screaming in pain and begging for help.

Heads had better roll for this!!

Originally posted by MasterRegal
WRONG! He was tasered because he was violently resisting the officers. They even warned him and did not comply. Don't spread bull.

and what does that mean to you? Stop and think for one second before you post. They tasered him because he did not comply. O.K. So if/when police come knocking at your door and say they have a fully legal document to seize all of your valuables including your house and you question the authority behind it and you don't comply then it's perfectly fine just to be tasered and arrested.

Where do you draw the line then where you think it's okay to to excersise your free speech rights? Where it's your right to protest? Where it's your right to be civilly disobedient? Where it's your right to question the legality of their actions?

Your remark smacks so strongly of everything that is wrong with this country. Blind consent and appeasment. I hope one day you will realize that the Bill of Rights, the Constitution isn't set in stone as most would like to believe. It's a neverending battle between the people and the powers that be. The more you let the powers that be wrest power from you, the less a free people we become. It's remarks like yours that make our forefathers spin in their graves.

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Sorry guys he was assaulted and arrested for asking a question.

His rights were violated pure and simple. On top of everything else Kerry wanted to answer his questions. Disgusting.

We are being conditioned to believe this is normal. Look at the majority of the audience just sitting watching like it was a TV show. Probably saying to themselves something like...the police are doing their jobs...there must be something wrong with this guy or the police wouldn't treat him this way...or some such nonsense as the guy is screaming in pain and begging for help.

Heads had better roll for this!!

I prefer to think of it as the "Springerization" of the american public.